Donovan to Mariners

[rezero]

ugghhhh….I would rather have gotten one top 50 prospect than 5 average ones.

[Talkin' Baseball]

ugghhhh….I would rather have gotten one top 50 prospect than 5 average ones.

I was hoping for quality over quantity as well.

[Ozziesfan41]

At least they got Donovan's salary off the books. I checked the stats and I must say, a bunch of no names that haven't even performed well in the minor leagues. They did get two draft picks but they're not especially decent draft picks. Trade away an all-star 2nd baseman with I think 2 years of control and not real expensive for a bunch of riff raff and a couple of remote possibility lotto tickets. That Bloom is a magician I tell you.

Yea and the mariners will get the great Donovan who spend time on the IL and mash 10 home runs and drive in 50 maybe

It's a wonder they even wanted a waste of space like Donovan. Versatile, Gold glove

WAR - 2.7
OBP - .353
OPS - 775
In a injury shortened season no less. Don't you ever get tired of being a fool?

Just pointing out only fools think Donovan is a great player. He’s a good complimentary player who’s decent but not great at multiple positions but great at none of them and has a .651 OPS against lefties not much speed not much power . Do you ever get tired of being a fool and overvaluing players?

[Cusecards]

Some people choose to be happy and like life.

Some people choose to be miserable and try to drag all the rest of us down with them.

Opti

Very well said!

[TraveledLessRoad]

The way I look at this is "sensibly." We are in the middle of what's effectively a tear-down rebuild. Chaim has spent this offseason clearing the books and reloading the farm with young talent. The quality of the talent is debatable...debatable because many of them are kids and we have no clue how and if they will develop. This one trade (and I loved Donnie), netted us a near FOTR starter, a 1st round pick lottery ticket, a 4th outfielder (at worst) and two more early picks in the 2026 draft. One trade for a really solid utility player with two years of control. Yes, there is some dart-throwing going on here by Chaim, but at least he's making moves and not sitting on his hands. Also, collecting this volume of potential talent and picks is exactly what you need when the team does start to turn the corner. Trade some of this abundance (if it amounts to abundance) for a star. The rebuild is young...none of us really know (bleep)

[CCard]

At least they got Donovan's salary off the books. I checked the stats and I must say, a bunch of no names that haven't even performed well in the minor leagues. They did get two draft picks but they're not especially decent draft picks. Trade away an all-star 2nd baseman with I think 2 years of control and not real expensive for a bunch of riff raff and a couple of remote possibility lotto tickets. That Bloom is a magician I tell you.

Yea and the mariners will get the great Donovan who spend time on the IL and mash 10 home runs and drive in 50 maybe

It's a wonder they even wanted a waste of space like Donovan. Versatile, Gold glove

WAR - 2.7
OBP - .353
OPS - 775
In a injury shortened season no less. Don't you ever get tired of being a fool?

Just pointing out only fools think Donovan is a great player. He’s a good complimentary player who’s decent but not great at multiple positions but great at none of them and has a .651 OPS against lefties not much speed not much power . Do you ever get tired of being a fool and overvaluing players?

Tell me this, why did Seattle, a World Series contender, want him if he isn't any good? He had 2.7 WAR in an injury plagued season.

https://www.justbaseball.com/mlb/mlb-to ... d-basemen/

This site has Donovan ranked at number 5.

[Talkin' Baseball]

At least they got Donovan's salary off the books. I checked the stats and I must say, a bunch of no names that haven't even performed well in the minor leagues. They did get two draft picks but they're not especially decent draft picks. Trade away an all-star 2nd baseman with I think 2 years of control and not real expensive for a bunch of riff raff and a couple of remote possibility lotto tickets. That Bloom is a magician I tell you.

Yea and the mariners will get the great Donovan who spend time on the IL and mash 10 home runs and drive in 50 maybe

It's a wonder they even wanted a waste of space like Donovan. Versatile, Gold glove

WAR - 2.7
OBP - .353
OPS - 775
In a injury shortened season no less. Don't you ever get tired of being a fool?

Just pointing out only fools think Donovan is a great player. He’s a good complimentary player who’s decent but not great at multiple positions but great at none of them and has a .651 OPS against lefties not much speed not much power . Do you ever get tired of being a fool and overvaluing players?

Tell me this, why did Seattle, a World Series contender, want him if he isn't any good? He had 2.7 WAR in an injury plagued season.

https://www.justbaseball.com/mlb/mlb-to ... d-basemen/

This site has Donovan ranked at number 5.

I guess I'm a fool too. I seem to value Donovan more highly than he does. I would not describe Donovan as a great player, but I would describe Donovan as an extremely valuable player. Every serious contender needs a Donovan.

[Ozziesfan41]

At least they got Donovan's salary off the books. I checked the stats and I must say, a bunch of no names that haven't even performed well in the minor leagues. They did get two draft picks but they're not especially decent draft picks. Trade away an all-star 2nd baseman with I think 2 years of control and not real expensive for a bunch of riff raff and a couple of remote possibility lotto tickets. That Bloom is a magician I tell you.

Yea and the mariners will get the great Donovan who spend time on the IL and mash 10 home runs and drive in 50 maybe

It's a wonder they even wanted a waste of space like Donovan. Versatile, Gold glove

WAR - 2.7
OBP - .353
OPS - 775
In a injury shortened season no less. Don't you ever get tired of being a fool?

Just pointing out only fools think Donovan is a great player. He’s a good complimentary player who’s decent but not great at multiple positions but great at none of them and has a .651 OPS against lefties not much speed not much power . Do you ever get tired of being a fool and overvaluing players?

Tell me this, why did Seattle, a World Series contender, want him if he isn't any good? He had 2.7 WAR in an injury plagued season.

https://www.justbaseball.com/mlb/mlb-to ... d-basemen/

This site has Donovan ranked at number 5.

Because he is a complimentary player and fool cardinal fans are delusional enough to think the should have kept him
And started building around him lol building a team around a complimentary player

[No-Mo-Mo]

It won't take some of you tools, maybe 2 years, 3 tops to realize Mo wasn't so bad.

[Talkin' Baseball]

It won't take some of you tools, maybe 2 years, 3 tops to realize Mo wasn't so bad.

Oh, please!

[CCard]

At least they got Donovan's salary off the books. I checked the stats and I must say, a bunch of no names that haven't even performed well in the minor leagues. They did get two draft picks but they're not especially decent draft picks. Trade away an all-star 2nd baseman with I think 2 years of control and not real expensive for a bunch of riff raff and a couple of remote possibility lotto tickets. That Bloom is a magician I tell you.

Yea and the mariners will get the great Donovan who spend time on the IL and mash 10 home runs and drive in 50 maybe

It's a wonder they even wanted a waste of space like Donovan. Versatile, Gold glove

WAR - 2.7
OBP - .353
OPS - 775
In a injury shortened season no less. Don't you ever get tired of being a fool?

Just pointing out only fools think Donovan is a great player. He’s a good complimentary player who’s decent but not great at multiple positions but great at none of them and has a .651 OPS against lefties not much speed not much power . Do you ever get tired of being a fool and overvaluing players?

Tell me this, why did Seattle, a World Series contender, want him if he isn't any good? He had 2.7 WAR in an injury plagued season.

https://www.justbaseball.com/mlb/mlb-to ... d-basemen/

This site has Donovan ranked at number 5.

I guess I'm a fool too. I seem to value Donovan more highly than he does. I would not describe Donovan as a great player, but I would describe Donovan as an extremely valuable player. Every serious contender needs a Donovan.

He doesn't hit 30 homeruns. He doesn't steal 50 bases. He doesn't mash against lefty pitching though he isn't awful. But what he does do is everything. He fields, he's not a slug on the bases, he gets on base, he gets timely hits, he might not be great at anything but he's good at everything. I wish we had a whole team of Donovan's.

[ScotchMIrish]

Underwhelming. I expected more but it is what it is.

[TraveledLessRoad]

At least they got Donovan's salary off the books. I checked the stats and I must say, a bunch of no names that haven't even performed well in the minor leagues. They did get two draft picks but they're not especially decent draft picks. Trade away an all-star 2nd baseman with I think 2 years of control and not real expensive for a bunch of riff raff and a couple of remote possibility lotto tickets. That Bloom is a magician I tell you.

Yea and the mariners will get the great Donovan who spend time on the IL and mash 10 home runs and drive in 50 maybe

It's a wonder they even wanted a waste of space like Donovan. Versatile, Gold glove

WAR - 2.7
OBP - .353
OPS - 775
In a injury shortened season no less. Don't you ever get tired of being a fool?

Just pointing out only fools think Donovan is a great player. He’s a good complimentary player who’s decent but not great at multiple positions but great at none of them and has a .651 OPS against lefties not much speed not much power . Do you ever get tired of being a fool and overvaluing players?

Tell me this, why did Seattle, a World Series contender, want him if he isn't any good? He had 2.7 WAR in an injury plagued season.

https://www.justbaseball.com/mlb/mlb-to ... d-basemen/

This site has Donovan ranked at number 5.

Because he is a complimentary player and fool cardinal fans are delusional enough to think the should have kept him
And started building around him lol building a team around a complimentary player

Both things can be true. He's a fantastic piece for a team like M's. He was a nice to have, great leader, wasted on a team in rebuild-mode. This why it's likely a win-win

[Ozziesfan41]

At least they got Donovan's salary off the books. I checked the stats and I must say, a bunch of no names that haven't even performed well in the minor leagues. They did get two draft picks but they're not especially decent draft picks. Trade away an all-star 2nd baseman with I think 2 years of control and not real expensive for a bunch of riff raff and a couple of remote possibility lotto tickets. That Bloom is a magician I tell you.

Yea and the mariners will get the great Donovan who spend time on the IL and mash 10 home runs and drive in 50 maybe

It's a wonder they even wanted a waste of space like Donovan. Versatile, Gold glove

WAR - 2.7
OBP - .353
OPS - 775
In a injury shortened season no less. Don't you ever get tired of being a fool?

Just pointing out only fools think Donovan is a great player. He’s a good complimentary player who’s decent but not great at multiple positions but great at none of them and has a .651 OPS against lefties not much speed not much power . Do you ever get tired of being a fool and overvaluing players?

Tell me this, why did Seattle, a World Series contender, want him if he isn't any good? He had 2.7 WAR in an injury plagued season.

https://www.justbaseball.com/mlb/mlb-to ... d-basemen/

This site has Donovan ranked at number 5.

Because he is a complimentary player and fool cardinal fans are delusional enough to think the should have kept him
And started building around him lol building a team around a complimentary player

Both things can be true. He's a fantastic piece for a team like M's. He was a nice to have, great leader, wasted on a team in rebuild-mode. This why it's likely a win-win

Oh I liked Donovan. for a contending team he’s a great complimentary player for the cardinals it’s dumb to think he’s the kind of player you build a team around

[imetsatchelpaige]

It won't take some of you tools, maybe 2 years, 3 tops to realize Mo wasn't so bad.

[Melville]

Initial analysis:
1. It is going to take at least 3 years to fairly evaluate this move.
2. That said, I like the N/A, Gray, and even the Contreras trades much better
3. Bloom traded what he viewed as the team's most valuable trade piece - and received in return players at positions where the organization already had multiple similar assets - and did not address a single area of far more pressing need, which is very,very strange decision making.
4. He made the MLB roster worse and does not appear to have made the organization appreciably better or deeper.
5. Playing nothing but a numbers game is not exactly a transformative strategy - it smacks of merely hoping to get lucky.
6. Bottom line: CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION would have been to keep Donovan at present time.

your point #3...very true.
where's the RH bat that is so needed?

Exactly.
A 20 year old LH hitting outfielder who's only calling card is the far-off potential of MLB power with major questions about all other parts of his game.
A 24 year old LH hitting outfielder who is competent in several facets of the game and projects to be a 4th outfielder at best.
An undersized hard throwing RH pitcher who is not likely to be able to shoulder a starting pitcher role in MLB (note: I alone warned the Cardinals of this very risk factor with Martinez and Hence and have been proven brilliantly correct both times).
And a round B balance pick - which has a 3 or 4% chance of producing a starting caliber MLB player.
Again, STL has multiple versions of all 4 of these types of assets already.
Not sure how Bloom moved the needle - ANY needle - with this at all.
Hoping to get lucky is not exactly the course of action this organization needs to take.
Super Slo Mo had a bad happy of falling in love.
Bloom is hoping to get lucky with one of these guys.
Neither approach seems wise.

How good do you think Brendan Donovan is? Complementary player, not a cornerstone guy. He just isn’t. Everybody is jaded by the overall lack of talent on the mlb roster. He’s a fine player, a valuable player, but he’s not a star.

You misunderstand.
This has nothing to do with Donovan being a complementary player not about his trade value.
I can assure you that my assessment of his value is the most bias free, agenda free you will ever encounter.
My perfect analysis of this move is focused squarely on Bloom's strategy - or lack of it.
He made his MLB roster worse offensively and defensively - while making it thinner at 4 positions.
And in exchange he acquired assets that largely mirror what the team already possessed in multiples.
Does not really appear to accomplish anything - unless he gets very, very lucky.
If he was determined to trade Donovan, he should have addressed areas of need at a minimum.
Very, very odd decision on his part.
And remember, I approved of the Gray trade, approved of the N/A trade, and at least understood and appreciated his reasoning of the Contreras trade even though I would not have made the deal.
So you are not engaging with a Bloom critic.
I am completley impartial at all times.
This move makes little sense other than amassing bodies and hoping for the best.
His other moves were much smarter and strategic.

You don’t trade for need when you’re dealing with a 20yr old prospect. Who cares which side of the plate he hits from. The Cardinals needs today may not be their needs 3 years from now when they’re ready.
If bloom took a right handed bat he was less interested bc the other guy hits left handed would be the dumb move.

And if we’re all being honest with each other, the cardinals have needs at about 22 positions, so take the best SOBs available.

If bloom want going to extend him, then trading him is the right move. I doubt teams were banging down the door with offers, but letting him walk or trading him at the deadline with 60 guaranteed games left with him would not have increased his value

High risk assets who are clones of the high risk assets already on hand does not increase odds of success 3 years down the road.
It smacks of throwing darts and hoping for luck.
Bloom would have been far smarter to take the approach he did with the Gary and Contreras moves - acquire talent closer to MLB, with a known track record, with high probability of contributing, and who come with multiple years of MLB control.
Makes far more sense than acquiring a stable of high risk players who may never see MLB.
Again, I am not diminishing the return - simply correctly analyzing the extreme weakness of Bloom's strategy with this specific deal.
Rolling dice is what makes the casinos richer and gamblers poorer.

If I was playing the lottery, I would prefer to have 6 tickets vs. 1 ticket. My chances are better having the several eggs in different baskets, vs. just a single expiring egg in one basket. That is how I see what Bloom is trying to accomplish by his moves today. The organization was grossly weak, in quality talent, across the entire system. It makes no difference to Bloom if the player hits right or left, or what hand he uses to pitch with. He is simply trying to accumulate as much talent as he can for the future. The trade today certainly doesn't help us this year, or next, or maybe never! As you pointed out in a previous post, their is certainly inherent risk with any prospect. What Bloom did today, was trade 1 expiring lottery ticket, for 6 lottery tickets that still have a chance of paying off. The Cardinals were not going to sign BD at 29 to a long-term extension. Whether that is right or wrong is clearly a hot topic here, but I certainly understand where Bloom is coming from and what he is trying to achieve with this move today. And if the talent becomes redundant in the future, we can simply trade the excess for what is needed at the time. JMO

When you play the lottery more tickets do not change your odds.
No matter how many tickets you have, there is still only one winning set of numbers.
I understand with perfection what Bloom did today.
He is hoping to get lucky - nothing more.
We are saying that exact same thing.
Bottom line: his prior moves had thought and logic behind them.
This one really doesn't.