Donovan to Mariners

[imetsatchelpaige]

There may be a carnival barker outside Busch yelling: "Come and see it -- the man who pitches with both arms!"

Knowing the Cardinals and the marketing aspect, they will forbid him from giving up pitching with both arms. Remember the Navy guy who was here just because he was a Navy guy? And Nootbaar, the guy with the cute name they hang on to forever and a day.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I just want to see him walk out to the mound with two gloves.

Sorry to disappoint you , but there won't be TWO gloves. Saw him in bullpen session warming up. The glove he uses is built with a 'thumb placement on each end of the glove so he can just insert either hand in it comfortable .. just looks a bit oversized is all .

Seriously? I had no idea.
(And I knew it would not be two gloves, but perhaps once he could pull a Satchel and walk out with them.

[craviduce]

There may be a carnival barker outside Busch yelling: "Come and see it -- the man who pitches with both arms!"

Knowing the Cardinals and the marketing aspect, they will forbid him from giving up pitching with both arms. Remember the Navy guy who was here just because he was a Navy guy? And Nootbaar, the guy with the cute name they hang on to forever and a day.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I just want to see him walk out to the mound with two gloves.

Sorry to disappoint you , but there won't be TWO gloves. Saw him in bullpen session warming up. The glove he uses is built with a 'thumb placement on each end of the glove so he can just insert either hand in it comfortably .. just looks a bit oversized is all .

Seattle fans I'm conversing with are saying he's giving up the two way pitching for just RHP.....it won't be the all in one glove that Dan is talking about (it was cool, btw....really neat glove). I think in the long run, it's better for him and the Cards to go RHP

[opti mist]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/ca ... 7293b&ei=6

Cijntje, 22, is the current No. 91 overall prospect in baseball, according to MLB Pipeline. Most folks know him as a "switch-pitcher," an extremely rare phenomenon we haven't seen in the majors since Pat Venditte in 2020. However, it's possible that Cijntje's incredible ability to throw over 90 mph with both arms may not be utilized as much as some thought moving forward.

The Mariners recently designated Cijntje as a right-handed pitcher for spring training program purposes, and general manager Justin Hollander said at Seattle's FanFest on Sunday that it planned to have him develop as a right-handed starter, which the club believed was how he could maximize his potential (via Daniel Kramer of MLB.com).

However, that was the Mariners' plan. We'll have to find out at some point from the Cardinals' brass whether that's the same plan Cijntje will follow in St. Louis, but the stats bear out that Cijntje is significantly better righty, against batters from both sides of the plate.

Cijntje posted a 3.99 ERA and 120 strikeouts in 108 1/3 innings last season, which, combined with his former first-round status, should have already had Cardinals fans excited. But looking under the hood, his numbers as a righty alone should have them downright ecstatic.

Cijntje held right-handed batters to a .481 OPS in 241 plate appearances at High-A last season. Lefties fared better against him as a righty, with an .845 OPS in 154 plate appearances. However, both lefties and righties were over the 1.000 OPS mark in smaller sample sizes.

If the Cardinals follow the Mariners' plan and have Cijntje focus on throwing righty-only, his ceiling could be limitless. And for the cost of two years of control over Donovan at the start of a rebuild, that was a bet worth making.

opti

[Goldfan]

There may be a carnival barker outside Busch yelling: "Come and see it -- the man who pitches with both arms!"

Knowing the Cardinals and the marketing aspect, they will forbid him from giving up pitching with both arms. Remember the Navy guy who was here just because he was a Navy guy? And Nootbaar, the guy with the cute name in they hang on to forever and a day.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I disagree strongly with your last sentence.

Yep, Bloom has done more positive for the franchise in a few months than Mo had done in the last 10 years.

What great positive has he done other than clearing BDW payroll obligations for question marks.
What player out of this offseason trade return is anyone confident being a solid MLB starter?

Prefer adding an Erik Fedde and calling it a winter?

I prefer getting some stud players…….is this asking too much…..middling rehab projects fits in well to this organizations overall losing mentality

What studs were available for BD?

GF was asked the same question when he was whining about the return in the Gray trade, whining about the return in the Contrerras trade and whining about the return in the Arenado trade. He had no answers then, he'll have no answers now.

He just wants to whine.

Then what is the POINT of all this other than dumping vet contracts???
With those you mention…..they were old with large contracts is the excuse why Bloom couldn’t get a great return
Now with Donny…..he was one of the top trade targets all offseason and he’s young and CHEAP…..and still not a great return
What quality of player needs to be traded to get an almost MLB ready close to sure thing?

The problem is you are confused and think because a team is interested in a player they will pay anything to get them you’re wrong you were always wrong about that. The cardinals valued him for his intangibles other teams trading for him are looking far more at actual production and Donovan was a 10 hr 50 rbi guy. He doesn’t have much power and doesn’t have much power. I mean would you trade a guy like Doyle or JJ for Donavan? No because he’s a complimentary player

Oh he’s not “confused”.
He just has zero intestinal fortitude and a total lack of intelligence.

Or just keep the young cheap player if you can’t get an acceptable return…..both of you said this was acceptable just a couple days ago. Do you think this is an acceptable return for Donny’s skill set??

[Melville]

Initial analysis:
1. It is going to take at least 3 years to fairly evaluate this move.
2. That said, I like the N/A, Gray, and even the Contreras trades much better
3. Bloom traded what he viewed as the team's most valuable trade piece - and received in return players at positions where the organization already had multiple similar assets - and did not address a single area of far more pressing need, which is very,very strange decision making.
4. He made the MLB roster worse and does not appear to have made the organization appreciably better or deeper.
5. Playing nothing but a numbers game is not exactly a transformative strategy - it smacks of merely hoping to get lucky.
6. Bottom line: CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION would have been to keep Donovan at present time.

your point #3...very true.
where's the RH bat that is so needed?

Exactly.
A 20 year old LH hitting outfielder who's only calling card is the far-off potential of MLB power with major questions about all other parts of his game.
A 24 year old LH hitting outfielder who is competent in several facets of the game and projects to be a 4th outfielder at best.
An undersized hard throwing RH pitcher who is not likely to be able to shoulder a starting pitcher role in MLB (note: I alone warned the Cardinals of this very risk factor with Martinez and Hence and have been proven brilliantly correct both times).
And a round B balance pick - which has a 3 or 4% chance of producing a starting caliber MLB player.
Again, STL has multiple versions of all 4 of these types of assets already.
Not sure how Bloom moved the needle - ANY needle - with this at all.
Hoping to get lucky is not exactly the course of action this organization needs to take.
Super Slo Mo had a bad happy of falling in love.
Bloom is hoping to get lucky with one of these guys.
Neither approach seems wise.

[HOUCARD]

Wow. This thread took 16 pages before the actual trade details were correct. Impressive.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/st-louis-cardinals

[scoutyjones2]

I love 3 ways

I'm betting the other 2 guys don't.

Your mom and her friend seem happy

[EastCoastDave]

The Cardinals got quantity over quality for prospects yet again.

2 OF prospects that signed for under slot and haven't hit in the minors, plus an under 6 ft tall RH pitcher, which almost always means future reliever.

The Comp B draft pick is effectively a 3rd round draft pick, so meh.

Albert was a 13 round pick, so I’m excited about the comp pick. Never know what you might get.

[zoiks]

Albert was a 13 round pick, so I’m excited about the comp pick. Never know what you might get.

Cherry picking a once in a lifetime player does not make a valid point.

[opti mist]

Some people choose to be happy and like life.

Some people choose to be miserable and try to drag all the rest of us down with them.

Opti

[82birds]

wait...we're getting Seattle's #70 and Tampa's #72?

WOW....are sure on that?

That's insanely crazy....that makes that a sure fire winner for the Cards...of course, time really tells on trades...much time. But 2 picks, darn....that would be awesome, BB

Yea, I just read the same thing!! That is indeed a wow!! 6 picks in the top 86 is real nice!!

I'm will also be revising my very technical trade rating from a B to an A. That is nice work, Chaim!!

funny
hey, RD, don't miss Wednesday with Walton and Reis (this Wednesday of all Wednesdays)

I'll tip my cap to Reis on this one....it turned into "exciting" indeed, Ronnie and 82birds . Well done, Reis. And very ethical of him to let others who broke it report it. Very classy.

hmmmm
I just read Derrick Goold's article on the trade and he didn't mention #68

[NYCardsFan]

There may be a carnival barker outside Busch yelling: "Come and see it -- the man who pitches with both arms!"

Knowing the Cardinals and the marketing aspect, they will forbid him from giving up pitching with both arms. Remember the Navy guy who was here just because he was a Navy guy? And Nootbaar, the guy with the cute name they hang on to forever and a day.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I just want to see him walk out to the mound with two gloves.

Sorry to disappoint you , but there won't be TWO gloves. Saw him in bullpen session warming up. The glove he uses is built with a 'thumb placement on each end of the glove so he can just insert either hand in it comfortably .. just looks a bit oversized is all .

Seattle fans I'm conversing with are saying he's giving up the two way pitching for just RHP.....it won't be the all in one glove that Dan is talking about (it was cool, btw....really neat glove). I think in the long run, it's better for him and the Cards to go RHP

That is what I have heard as well. His days as a "switch pitcher" are probably over. He's a legit SP prospect as a RHP, but pretty much a suspect as a LHP. Small sample size, but his minor league splits as a LHP (vs. both LHB and RHB) are pretty dreadful--1.114 OPS-against vs LHB as LHP; 1.103 OPS-against vs. RHB as LHP.

[imetsatchelpaige]

To point out the obvious, Bloom just stocked a bunch of trade chips as well.
He is not done.He will trade for a right hand bat, probably right after he fire sales Noot-foot injury and all.

[woofy25]

Initial analysis:
1. It is going to take at least 3 years to fairly evaluate this move.
2. That said, I like the N/A, Gray, and even the Contreras trades much better
3. Bloom traded what he viewed as the team's most valuable trade piece - and received in return players at positions where the organization already had multiple similar assets - and did not address a single area of far more pressing need, which is very,very strange decision making.
4. He made the MLB roster worse and does not appear to have made the organization appreciably better or deeper.
5. Playing nothing but a numbers game is not exactly a transformative strategy - it smacks of merely hoping to get lucky.
6. Bottom line: CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION would have been to keep Donovan at present time.

your point #3...very true.
where's the RH bat that is so needed?

Exactly.
A 20 year old LH hitting outfielder who's only calling card is the far-off potential of MLB power with major questions about all other parts of his game.
A 24 year old LH hitting outfielder who is competent in several facets of the game and projects to be a 4th outfielder at best.
An undersized hard throwing RH pitcher who is not likely to be able to shoulder a starting pitcher role in MLB (note: I alone warned the Cardinals of this very risk factor with Martinez and Hence and have been proven brilliantly correct both times).
And a round B balance pick - which has a 3 or 4% chance of producing a starting caliber MLB player.
Again, STL has multiple versions of all 4 of these types of assets already.
Not sure how Bloom moved the needle - ANY needle - with this at all.
Hoping to get lucky is not exactly the course of action this organization needs to take.
Super Slo Mo had a bad happy of falling in love.
Bloom is hoping to get lucky with one of these guys.
Neither approach seems wise.

How good do you think Brendan Donovan is? Complementary player, not a cornerstone guy. He just isn’t. Everybody is jaded by the overall lack of talent on the mlb roster. He’s a fine player, a valuable player, but he’s not a star.

[RunSup]

Cardinals are getting 2 comp B picks per Jeff Passan

wait...we're getting Seattle's #70 and Tampa's #72?

WOW....are sure on that?

That's insanely crazy....that makes that a sure fire winner for the Cards...of course, time really tells on trades...much time. But 2 picks, darn....that would be awesome, BB

please be true. PLEASE PLEASE BE TRUE.

yep....Trade Rumors is listing it, too....I was wrong on #70....it's 68 and 72. Holy Moly, 82birds....that's 6 picks in the top 86.

I'm a happy dog now....from a 6.3 on 10 scale to a Blushing 8.7

This makes me feel better. Those 2 comp picks could be the best part of the trade.

Otherwise have to just hope Peete drinks Josh Baez's breakout elixir and Cijinte is more than a reliever.

Ok Development Team. Time to shine.

[Cujo's Mask]

Initial analysis:
1. It is going to take at least 3 years to fairly evaluate this move.
2. That said, I like the N/A, Gray, and even the Contreras trades much better
3. Bloom traded what he viewed as the team's most valuable trade piece - and received in return players at positions where the organization already had multiple similar assets - and did not address a single area of far more pressing need, which is very,very strange decision making.
4. He made the MLB roster worse and does not appear to have made the organization appreciably better or deeper.
5. Playing nothing but a numbers game is not exactly a transformative strategy - it smacks of merely hoping to get lucky.
6. Bottom line: CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION would have been to keep Donovan at present time.

your point #3...very true.
where's the RH bat that is so needed?

Exactly.
A 20 year old LH hitting outfielder who's only calling card is the far-off potential of MLB power with major questions about all other parts of his game.
A 24 year old LH hitting outfielder who is competent in several facets of the game and projects to be a 4th outfielder at best.
An undersized hard throwing RH pitcher who is not likely to be able to shoulder a starting pitcher role in MLB (note: I alone warned the Cardinals of this very risk factor with Martinez and Hence and have been proven brilliantly correct both times).
And a round B balance pick - which has a 3 or 4% chance of producing a starting caliber MLB player.
Again, STL has multiple versions of all 4 of these types of assets already.
Not sure how Bloom moved the needle - ANY needle - with this at all.
Hoping to get lucky is not exactly the course of action this organization needs to take.
Super Slo Mo had a bad happy of falling in love.
Bloom is hoping to get lucky with one of these guys.
Neither approach seems wise.

I am going to disagree on the point about just adding similar assets here. OF is a need in the organization, so even though they both hit lefty, having more depth there is helpful. If they both pan out, you likely have one power-over-hit starter and then a good 4th OF or platoon guy. Both Cijntje and Peete are high-risk, high-reward types. So many of the Cards prospects now are high(ish) floor-low ceiling types, so adding some upside (even with the risk) feels like a valuable add to the system. And the comp B picks not only net us two additional players, but added bonus pool. It feels like Bloom is setting himself up to make a value play with a hard-to-sign type with these picks. Just my two cents.