Pretty sure DeWitt wants to challenge for most losses this season.

[CCard]

The moves being made to shed talent (and salary) can only lead to one conclusion. Losing is the objective. They don't care about the fans suffering or making the Cards the laughing stock of the league. They're willfully destroying the franchise and its value. Is it in preparation to sell the team? Or is it due to the CBA? Or both? In two decades they haven't acted this way. They've always played the "Let's look for a deal" game, but they did spend some. Enough to be at least average or better. This is something different. They may have changed some bells and whistles in the minor leagues. Maybe added some coaches and made some tweaks to regimen. But they're essentially the same system they were for two decades minus the professional talent they traded away. The team that not that long ago was considered to be the best run organization in MLB is now in free fall. How low can they go? Apparently we're going to find out. Some of you on here grinning from ear to ear and salivating at the imminent prospect of losing big, I just don't get.

[butsir01]

I get it and ownership has no clothes.

[mattmitchl44]

The moves being made to shed talent (and salary) can only lead to one conclusion. Losing is the objective. They don't care about the fans suffering or making the Cards the laughing stock of the league. They're willfully destroying the franchise and its value. Is it in preparation to sell the team? Or is it due to the CBA? Or both? In two decades they haven't acted this way. They've always played the "Let's look for a deal" game, but they did spend some. Enough to be at least average or better. This is something different. They may have changed some bells and whistles in the minor leagues. Maybe added some coaches and made some tweaks to regimen. But they're essentially the same system they were for two decades minus the professional talent they traded away. The team that not that long ago was considered to be the best run organization in MLB is now in free fall. How low can they go? Apparently we're going to find out. Some of you on here grinning from ear to ear and salivating at the imminent prospect of losing big, I just don't get.

How do you reconcile "willfully destroying the...value" of the team and preparing to sell?

How does that make any sense?

More likely - they recognize that what they have been doing for about the last decade has led them into a dead end. That strategic approach - try to be just good enough to make the playoffs most years and hope for the best - gets them no farther in modern, 2026 baseball than high level mediocrity.

So now they are trying something different - a willingness to take a bigger step back for 1, 2, 3 years to rebuild the organization in order to provide the foundation to be better than high level mediocrity further into the future.

[ramfandan]

I am sure DeWitt will go in the clubhouse now and then saying 'Ok guys , go out there and lose today ! We want to challenge for the most losses this season .

OR ' thought I would stop by today guys, I noticed we have won two games in a row. Let's cool it and try harder to lose today . Otherwise we won't challenge for the most losses this year. Get with the program , boys !

[sikeston bulldog2]

The icy depths of winter affect some in different ways.

[Talkin' Baseball]

It's clear that you have recognized that things are different. That's good. You seem incapable, or unwilling to see, understand, or accept the new model or any potential benefit. You only seem capable of seeing a salary dump, or tanking. I'm not going to spend any words trying to explain it. I am sorry that it causes you so much unhappiness- baseball shouldn't be that way. Suffice to say, there is more depth to the conversation than the thread title implies.

[BrummerStealsHome]

Before Spring Training exuberance infects my mind, sitting here today I will be happy with a 4th place finish. In all my years of Cardinal fandom, including several resets/rebuilds, I've never ever, considered not finishing last to be among the goals.

[Banner29]

The moves being made to shed talent (and salary) can only lead to one conclusion. Losing is the objective. They don't care about the fans suffering or making the Cards the laughing stock of the league. They're willfully destroying the franchise and its value. Is it in preparation to sell the team? Or is it due to the CBA? Or both? In two decades they haven't acted this way. They've always played the "Let's look for a deal" game, but they did spend some. Enough to be at least average or better. This is something different. They may have changed some bells and whistles in the minor leagues. Maybe added some coaches and made some tweaks to regimen. But they're essentially the same system they were for two decades minus the professional talent they traded away. The team that not that long ago was considered to be the best run organization in MLB is now in free fall. How low can they go? Apparently we're going to find out. Some of you on here grinning from ear to ear and salivating at the imminent prospect of losing big, I just don't get.

How do you reconcile "willfully destroying the...value" of the team and preparing to sell?

How does that make any sense?

More likely - they recognize that what they have been doing for about the last decade has led them into a dead end. That strategic approach - try to be just good enough to make the playoffs most years and hope for the best - gets them no farther in modern, 2026 baseball than high level mediocrity.

So now they are trying something different - a willingness to take a bigger step back for 1, 2, 3 years to rebuild the organization in order to provide the foundation to be better than high level mediocrity further into the future.

I mean this whole situation isn’t something that just same out of of the blue. It’s been obvious for sometime and they only now are making changes now that Mo walked out the door, by his own choice.

Dewitt chose not to make the changes and just let Mo do whatever he wanted.

No matter what the reasoning behind that was, it’s willfully destroying the franchise

[45s]

Does anyone really think they are trying to lose?

[mattmitchl44]

The moves being made to shed talent (and salary) can only lead to one conclusion. Losing is the objective. They don't care about the fans suffering or making the Cards the laughing stock of the league. They're willfully destroying the franchise and its value. Is it in preparation to sell the team? Or is it due to the CBA? Or both? In two decades they haven't acted this way. They've always played the "Let's look for a deal" game, but they did spend some. Enough to be at least average or better. This is something different. They may have changed some bells and whistles in the minor leagues. Maybe added some coaches and made some tweaks to regimen. But they're essentially the same system they were for two decades minus the professional talent they traded away. The team that not that long ago was considered to be the best run organization in MLB is now in free fall. How low can they go? Apparently we're going to find out. Some of you on here grinning from ear to ear and salivating at the imminent prospect of losing big, I just don't get.

How do you reconcile "willfully destroying the...value" of the team and preparing to sell?

How does that make any sense?

More likely - they recognize that what they have been doing for about the last decade has led them into a dead end. That strategic approach - try to be just good enough to make the playoffs most years and hope for the best - gets them no farther in modern, 2026 baseball than high level mediocrity.

So now they are trying something different - a willingness to take a bigger step back for 1, 2, 3 years to rebuild the organization in order to provide the foundation to be better than high level mediocrity further into the future.

I mean this whole situation isn’t something that just same out of of the blue. It’s been obvious for sometime and they only now are making changes now that Mo walked out the door, by his own choice.

Dewitt chose not to make the changes and just let Mo do whatever he wanted.

No matter what the reasoning behind that was, it’s willfully destroying the franchise

I have said repeatedly that they should have started tearing the whole thing down at the 2023 trade deadline. So you won't get any argument from me that the last two seasons have been, mostly, just wandering aimlessly in the wilderness.

[sikeston bulldog2]

The moves being made to shed talent (and salary) can only lead to one conclusion. Losing is the objective. They don't care about the fans suffering or making the Cards the laughing stock of the league. They're willfully destroying the franchise and its value. Is it in preparation to sell the team? Or is it due to the CBA? Or both? In two decades they haven't acted this way. They've always played the "Let's look for a deal" game, but they did spend some. Enough to be at least average or better. This is something different. They may have changed some bells and whistles in the minor leagues. Maybe added some coaches and made some tweaks to regimen. But they're essentially the same system they were for two decades minus the professional talent they traded away. The team that not that long ago was considered to be the best run organization in MLB is now in free fall. How low can they go? Apparently we're going to find out. Some of you on here grinning from ear to ear and salivating at the imminent prospect of losing big, I just don't get.

How do you reconcile "willfully destroying the...value" of the team and preparing to sell?

How does that make any sense?

More likely - they recognize that what they have been doing for about the last decade has led them into a dead end. That strategic approach - try to be just good enough to make the playoffs most years and hope for the best - gets them no farther in modern, 2026 baseball than high level mediocrity.

So now they are trying something different - a willingness to take a bigger step back for 1, 2, 3 years to rebuild the organization in order to provide the foundation to be better than high level mediocrity further into the future.

I mean this whole situation isn’t something that just same out of of the blue. It’s been obvious for sometime and they only now are making changes now that Mo walked out the door, by his own choice.

Dewitt chose not to make the changes and just let Mo do whatever he wanted.

No matter what the reasoning behind that was, it’s willfully destroying the franchise

I have said repeatedly that they should have started tearing the whole thing down at the 2023 trade deadline. So you won't get any argument from me that the last two seasons have been, mostly, just wandering aimlessly in the wilderness.

Sometimes it makes no sense at all.

[Bomber1]

The moves being made to shed talent (and salary) can only lead to one conclusion. Losing is the objective. They don't care about the fans suffering or making the Cards the laughing stock of the league. They're willfully destroying the franchise and its value. Is it in preparation to sell the team? Or is it due to the CBA? Or both? In two decades they haven't acted this way. They've always played the "Let's look for a deal" game, but they did spend some. Enough to be at least average or better. This is something different. They may have changed some bells and whistles in the minor leagues. Maybe added some coaches and made some tweaks to regimen. But they're essentially the same system they were for two decades minus the professional talent they traded away. The team that not that long ago was considered to be the best run organization in MLB is now in free fall. How low can they go? Apparently we're going to find out. Some of you on here grinning from ear to ear and salivating at the imminent prospect of losing big, I just don't get.

Take your meds.

[Cardinals4Life]

It's clear that you have recognized that things are different. That's good. You seem incapable, or unwilling to see, understand, or accept the new model or any potential benefit. You only seem capable of seeing a salary dump, or tanking. I'm not going to spend any words trying to explain it. I am sorry that it causes you so much unhappiness- baseball shouldn't be that way. Suffice to say, there is more depth to the conversation than the thread title implies.

I understand the plan.
But call it what you want, but it is definitely tanking.

[Cardinals4Life]

Does anyone really think they are trying to lose?

Well they aren't trying to win.
Semantics???

[45s]

Does anyone really think they are trying to lose?

Well they aren't trying to win.
Semantics???

Is management going to extraordinary lengths to win this year….no.

Does every kid on that roster….whose lifetime dream is to be in the major leagues…trying as hard as they can to stay in the major leagues…yes

[Cardinals4Life]

Does anyone really think they are trying to lose?

Well they aren't trying to win.
Semantics???

Is management going to extraordinary lengths to win this year….no.

Does every kid on that roster….whose lifetime dream is to be in the major leagues…trying as hard as they can to stay in the major leagues…yes

Players will play to win, nobody is questioning that. Ownership is clearly not.