Why not Brian Woo

[hmoss859]

Woo would be a great fit

[Cardinals4Life]

It should be understood that with any of these young players/prospects, you have two attributes of "value" which are running opposite each other:

(1) years of team control remaining and
(2) how "proven" the player is at the ML level

The trend seems to be that "value" sort of peaks after 2 or maybe 3 seasons of "proof" of high level performance at the ML level, but with then only 3-4 years of team control left.

For a similar prospect, "value" is lower with six years of team control, but no seasons of "proof" of ML performance.

And for a similar player, "value" is lower if you have 5 years of "proof", but only one year of team control remaining.

Don't disagree.

Just want to add how sad it is, that in thia day and age GMs place more emphasis on "control" than actual production. Winning baseball used to just be about production on the field. I understand the need now with players making outrageous money in free agency l, but seems to me that a lot of owners would rather have "controllable years" (even if those controllable years are pretty awful - looking at most of the Carinslas here) to actual on-field talent.

I still think its crazy that GMs trade contracts rather than players. (With a nod to understanding Financials have to make sense for some teams). Where did they go wrong???

[renostl]

It should be understood that with any of these young players/prospects, you have two attributes of "value" which are running opposite each other:

(1) years of team control remaining and
(2) how "proven" the player is at the ML level

The trend seems to be that "value" sort of peaks after 2 or maybe 3 seasons of "proof" of high level performance at the ML level, but with then only 3-4 years of team control left.

For a similar prospect, "value" is lower with six years of team control, but no seasons of "proof" of ML performance.

And for a similar player, "value" is lower if you have 5 years of "proof", but only one year of team control remaining.

Don't disagree.

Just want to add how sad it is, that in thia day and age GMs place more emphasis on "control" than actual production. Winning baseball used to just be about production on the field. I understand the need now with players making outrageous money in free agency l, but seems to me that a lot of owners would rather have "controllable years" (even if those controllable years are pretty awful - looking at most of the Carinslas here) to actual on-field talent.

I still think its crazy that GMs trade contracts rather than players. (With a nod to understanding Financials have to make sense for some teams). Where did they go wrong???

I think that all trades start with production as the basis of the
trade. Then the haggling over what that production is worth.

[Cardinals4Life]

It should be understood that with any of these young players/prospects, you have two attributes of "value" which are running opposite each other:

(1) years of team control remaining and
(2) how "proven" the player is at the ML level

The trend seems to be that "value" sort of peaks after 2 or maybe 3 seasons of "proof" of high level performance at the ML level, but with then only 3-4 years of team control left.

For a similar prospect, "value" is lower with six years of team control, but no seasons of "proof" of ML performance.

And for a similar player, "value" is lower if you have 5 years of "proof", but only one year of team control remaining.

Don't disagree.

Just want to add how sad it is, that in thia day and age GMs place more emphasis on "control" than actual production. Winning baseball used to just be about production on the field. I understand the need now with players making outrageous money in free agency l, but seems to me that a lot of owners would rather have "controllable years" (even if those controllable years are pretty awful - looking at most of the Carinslas here) to actual on-field talent.

I still think its crazy that GMs trade contracts rather than players. (With a nod to understanding Financials have to make sense for some teams). Where did they go wrong???

I think that all trades start with production as the basis of the
trade. Then the haggling over what that production is worth.

Maybe, but also think a lot of GMs (including STL) keeps some guys because they still have lots of control even though the talent/production is clearly not there.

[mariontt]

If they acquired Woo, you'd have someone complaining that they still haven't acquired a position player via trade.

[Carp4Cy]

Good morning.

We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.

I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.

Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.

Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.

Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.

I doubt he is available.
Who would we even trade to get him?

Our hordes of prospects. And or Donovan and Noot.
Aside from our top three prospects most of them were just there so we can flip for real MLB talent when the time comes

[Ozziesfan41]

Good morning.

We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.

I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.

Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.

Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.

Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.

I doubt he is available.
Who would we even trade to get him?

Our hordes of prospects. And or Donovan and Noot.
Aside from our top three prospects most of them were just there so we can flip for real MLB talent when the time comes

Why if they are in a win now would they trade a top of the rotation pitcher for a complimentary utility player an outfielder who wasn’t very good and can’t stay healthy and will be on the IL at the start of the season? That would take them out of win mode and make them worse. I swear these crazy trade scenarios cards talk conjures up oh let’s trade Donovan and crooks for Tatis jr let’s trade noot and Donovan and prospects for an ace lol you can’t make up these crazy would never happen trade scenarios

[renostl]

Good morning.

We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.

I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.

Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.

Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.

Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.

by rockondlouie » 03 Dec 2025 14:48 pm

Lotta smoke around the M's for sure

Donny + Burleson + JoJo

for

Woo

Get er' done Bloom!

That would be sick!
Who then plays 1B? Blaze Jordan? Herrera (if he doesn't cut it at C - which he will!)? Gorman? Crooks?

The fact that you list that many scenarios without a stretch in doing so is
probably an indication that AB opens up a spot for even more players than BD does.

Gilbert or Castillo would be the only pitchers out of Seattle's starting rotation that has
a remote possibility of being moved. Even then they'd probably want a pitcher back for rotation purposes.

We can disagree with Seattle's approach but should also respect it. There's a point where it is better
for them to plug in one of their prospects, Young or Arroyo, vs giving up a TOR pitching for a Donovan,
a Marte, or a Hoerner.
Seattle spends midlevel. They are in a pitching surplus due to how heavily the value it and meet
their budget. The Cardinals are creating a similar method.

IMO, getting pitching from Seattle is asking for what they value most. You might get a #3 rotation piece
that can outperform that projection not a #1 or #2. Cijntje may be the highest ranked pitcher available.
He projects pretty good as a RHP maybe a #2/#3 with development. Add Arroyo or Bautista and that has
decent trade foundation for Donovan, grab Seattle's CB pick Cards win the trade imo. Jo Jo may
need to be involved,

[Carp4Cy]

Good morning.

We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.

I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.

Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.

Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.

Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.

I doubt he is available.
Who would we even trade to get him?

Our hordes of prospects. And or Donovan and Noot.
Aside from our top three prospects most of them were just there so we can flip for real MLB talent when the time comes

Why if they are in a win now would they trade a top of the rotation pitcher for a complimentary utility player an outfielder who wasn’t very good and can’t stay healthy and will be on the IL at the start of the season? That would take them out of win mode and make them worse. I swear these crazy trade scenarios cards talk conjures up oh let’s trade Donovan and crooks for Tatis jr let’s trade noot and Donovan and prospects for an ace lol you can’t make up these crazy would never happen trade scenarios

Woo wasn’t my idea but a three way trade might get Seattle what they need.

[Ozziesfan41]

Good morning.

We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.

I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.

Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.

Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.

Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.

I doubt he is available.
Who would we even trade to get him?

Our hordes of prospects. And or Donovan and Noot.
Aside from our top three prospects most of them were just there so we can flip for real MLB talent when the time comes

Why if they are in a win now would they trade a top of the rotation pitcher for a complimentary utility player an outfielder who wasn’t very good and can’t stay healthy and will be on the IL at the start of the season? That would take them out of win mode and make them worse. I swear these crazy trade scenarios cards talk conjures up oh let’s trade Donovan and crooks for Tatis jr let’s trade noot and Donovan and prospects for an ace lol you can’t make up these crazy would never happen trade scenarios

Woo wasn’t my idea but a three way trade might get Seattle what they need.

Well they have already said they won’t trade pitchers from their major league roster so it’s not even a possibility if they were willing to do that Marte would be a mariner

[Carp4Cy]

Good morning.

We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.

I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.

Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.

Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.

Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.

I doubt he is available.
Who would we even trade to get him?

Our hordes of prospects. And or Donovan and Noot.
Aside from our top three prospects most of them were just there so we can flip for real MLB talent when the time comes

Why if they are in a win now would they trade a top of the rotation pitcher for a complimentary utility player an outfielder who wasn’t very good and can’t stay healthy and will be on the IL at the start of the season? That would take them out of win mode and make them worse. I swear these crazy trade scenarios cards talk conjures up oh let’s trade Donovan and crooks for Tatis jr let’s trade noot and Donovan and prospects for an ace lol you can’t make up these crazy would never happen trade scenarios

Woo wasn’t my idea but a three way trade might get Seattle what they need.

Well they have already said they won’t trade pitchers from their major league roster so it’s not even a possibility if they were willing to do that Marte would be a mariner

Well, that would be a good rebuttal to the OP. I was just trying to answer that who would we even trade part of the question.

This is the kind of trade that we should be looking for for the future, though. If we could find that type of pitcher at that stage in their career from the right team, it would be worth giving up some prospects as well as Donovan for.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good morning.

We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.

I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.

Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.

Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.

Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.

I doubt he is available.
Who would we even trade to get him?

Our hordes of prospects. And or Donovan and Noot.
Aside from our top three prospects most of them were just there so we can flip for real MLB talent when the time comes

Why if they are in a win now would they trade a top of the rotation pitcher for a complimentary utility player an outfielder who wasn’t very good and can’t stay healthy and will be on the IL at the start of the season? That would take them out of win mode and make them worse. I swear these crazy trade scenarios cards talk conjures up oh let’s trade Donovan and crooks for Tatis jr let’s trade noot and Donovan and prospects for an ace lol you can’t make up these crazy would never happen trade scenarios

Woo wasn’t my idea but a three way trade might get Seattle what they need.

Well they have already said they won’t trade pitchers from their major league roster so it’s not even a possibility if they were willing to do that Marte would be a mariner

Well, that would be a good rebuttal to the OP. I was just trying to answer that who would we even trade part of the question.

This is the kind of trade that we should be looking for for the future, though. If we could find that type of pitcher at that stage in their career from the right team, it would be worth giving up some prospects as well as Donovan for.

The OP shows the following- we need this type 4 War player to compete; what it takes to acquire, how to acquire, and how far away from that type acquisition.

[JuanAgosto]

It’s really frustrating because DeWitt has just punted away this coming season and it wasn’t even 4th down!
He's made up his mind to go as cheap as possible with no contracts on the books until after the CBA is settled.
Many on here believe he will start spending again after it is settled, but by how much is still up in the air. He’s not going to try and keep up with the “ Big Boys “ if the current system isn’t changed!

I am not buying the assumption that DeWitt starts spending after the CBA. I think he will claim he cant spend because attendance is down. It'll be another excuse to stay cheap.

[Bushiro]

Seattle should be trading Sloan or Anderson before Woo if they are in "win now" mode. And Sloan or Anderson probably fit the Cardinals timeline better.

If the mariners want to win now...then they are stupid for not trading some kind of package with Sloan for Donovan and Romero or noot...I have no idea what kind of deal it would take..I'm just saying if they truly want Donovan and want to win now trading Sloan will not weaken them one bit

[Cardinals4Life]

It’s really frustrating because DeWitt has just punted away this coming season and it wasn’t even 4th down!
He's made up his mind to go as cheap as possible with no contracts on the books until after the CBA is settled.
Many on here believe he will start spending again after it is settled, but by how much is still up in the air. He’s not going to try and keep up with the “ Big Boys “ if the current system isn’t changed!

I am not buying the assumption that DeWitt starts spending after the CBA. I think he will claim he cant spend because attendance is down. It'll be another excuse to stay cheap.

ALWAYS an excuse!

[ICCFIM2]

Seattle should be trading Sloan or Anderson before Woo if they are in "win now" mode. And Sloan or Anderson probably fit the Cardinals timeline better.

I do subscribe to the BTV website. Seattle has the most insane excess value of any team. Woo is at 71.8, Anderson 31.2 and Sloan at 27.

In terms of the Cardinal players, Wetherholdt, 62.2, Winn, 42.6, Rodriguez 37.2, Doyle 35.4, Donovan 30.7 and Herrera 24.4.

So a straight up Donovan for Anderson or Sloan trade make more sense as you stated and the valuations line up better. I am now in the camp that the Cards need to add hitting too since our minor league bats do not inspire confidence.

Woo not only does not line-up with our time-line, but, I don't know what we could trade them that would make them happy. Donovan, Herrera and McGreevy who is a 19.1. That would total 74.2 going back from the Cardinals. Surely we would be a much worse team at that point surrending not only Donovan, but our best hitter and a decent pitcher.

If the Cards did receive either Anderson or Sloan for Donovan, I would like them to then pivot and trade some of their pitching prospects for a hitting prospect. Perhaps the Giants who are woefully short of pitching prospects would part with Bo Davidson for say Quinn Mathews or Clarke who we just received from the Red Sox.