How many of the new additions Bloom has got will be on the Cardinal team in two years?

[timoevans]

Hope it is stated better this time!

[Carp4Cy]

How many of Mo's 2023 prospects have made the team? Hope its better than his track record:
Rom - awful then gone
Prieto: -0.2 career WAR, will be 27
Saggese: 0.2 career WAR, 78 OPS+
Robberse - ERA of 5 at AAA
Zack Showalter - hasn't risen above A+
Samuel Rodriguez - cant even find him
Nick Robertson - released after 2024
John King - good for a year+, but might be played out now that he's 31. He was the most experienced MLB player acquired that year
Tekoah Roby - will he ever be healthy? It won't be soon.
Victor Santos - 5.6 ERA at AAA
Matt Svanson - late bloomer but maybe a keeper. Ironically we got him for DFA'ing PDJ which would have happened even if we weren't selling everyone that year.
Adam Kloffenstein - pitched 1 IP, now back with the Jays milb?


So lots of expectations from unproven prospects who at the time, many expected to be great. And some still hang onto hope. But real world track record shows a pretty low hit rate on random prospects that other teams are willing to let go of. Most often they just can't reproduce their MiLB success in the majors. Or they are constantly hurt.

[imyourhuckleberry]

How many of Mo's 2023 prospects have made the team? Hope its better than his track record:
Rom - awful then gone
Prieto: -0.2 career WAR, will be 27
Saggese: 0.2 career WAR, 78 OPS+
Robberse - ERA of 5 at AAA
Zack Showalter - hasn't risen above A+
Samuel Rodriguez - cant even find him
Nick Robertson - released after 2024
John King - good for a year+, but might be played out now that he's 31. He was the most experienced MLB player acquired that year
Tekoah Roby - will he ever be healthy? It won't be soon.
Victor Santos - 5.6 ERA at AAA
Matt Svanson - late bloomer but maybe a keeper. Ironically we got him for DFA'ing PDJ which would have happened even if we weren't selling everyone that year.
Adam Kloffenstein - pitched 1 IP, now back with the Jays milb?


So lots of expectations from unproven prospects who at the time, many expected to be great. And some still hang onto hope. But real world track record shows a pretty low hit rate on random prospects that other teams are willing to let go of. Most often they just can't reproduce their MiLB success in the majors. Or they are constantly hurt.

How many if the former Cardinals who were traded away to get these new "superstars"...er...umm..."new additions" would have been on the Cardinals team in two years?

If even only one of the new additions is on the team and contributing in two years, that's more than what Gray, Arenado or Contreras would have been contributing.

[Cardinals4Life]

Hope it is stated better this time!

I think one could hope that Fitts and Dobbins will be.
Down the line Fajardo, Aita, or Clarke could be as well.

[Carp4Cy]

How many of Mo's 2023 prospects have made the team? Hope its better than his track record:
Rom - awful then gone
Prieto: -0.2 career WAR, will be 27
Saggese: 0.2 career WAR, 78 OPS+
Robberse - ERA of 5 at AAA
Zack Showalter - hasn't risen above A+
Samuel Rodriguez - cant even find him
Nick Robertson - released after 2024
John King - good for a year+, but might be played out now that he's 31. He was the most experienced MLB player acquired that year
Tekoah Roby - will he ever be healthy? It won't be soon.
Victor Santos - 5.6 ERA at AAA
Matt Svanson - late bloomer but maybe a keeper. Ironically we got him for DFA'ing PDJ which would have happened even if we weren't selling everyone that year.
Adam Kloffenstein - pitched 1 IP, now back with the Jays milb?


So lots of expectations from unproven prospects who at the time, many expected to be great. And some still hang onto hope. But real world track record shows a pretty low hit rate on random prospects that other teams are willing to let go of. Most often they just can't reproduce their MiLB success in the majors. Or they are constantly hurt.

How many if the former Cardinals who were traded away to get these new "superstars"...er...umm..."new additions" would have been on the Cardinals team in two years?

If even only one of the new additions is on the team and contributing in two years, that's more than what Gray, Arenado or Contreras would have been contributing.

That's not the question. A beter question would be should we have traded rentals for more proven MLB players and paid some $ salaries to keep the talent on the roster? Kind of like we did we Edman for Fedde, and in restrospect should have done with Fedde for another veteran sooner.

Spending all year salivating over the trade deadline veteran dumps and the "prospects" we are getting back turns out to be a lot of wasted print when it come to on the field production. That's not how you move the needle.

Or you turn the prospect search on its head and find a list of 5 that will become the next franchise players and go ask the GMs what it will take to get them (and no one else will be discussed). Like we did with acquiring Wainwright, when WJ insisted he was included in that trade.

[Ozziesfan41]

How many of Mo's 2023 prospects have made the team? Hope its better than his track record:
Rom - awful then gone
Prieto: -0.2 career WAR, will be 27
Saggese: 0.2 career WAR, 78 OPS+
Robberse - ERA of 5 at AAA
Zack Showalter - hasn't risen above A+
Samuel Rodriguez - cant even find him
Nick Robertson - released after 2024
John King - good for a year+, but might be played out now that he's 31. He was the most experienced MLB player acquired that year
Tekoah Roby - will he ever be healthy? It won't be soon.
Victor Santos - 5.6 ERA at AAA
Matt Svanson - late bloomer but maybe a keeper. Ironically we got him for DFA'ing PDJ which would have happened even if we weren't selling everyone that year.
Adam Kloffenstein - pitched 1 IP, now back with the Jays milb?


So lots of expectations from unproven prospects who at the time, many expected to be great. And some still hang onto hope. But real world track record shows a pretty low hit rate on random prospects that other teams are willing to let go of. Most often they just can't reproduce their MiLB success in the majors. Or they are constantly hurt.

How many if the former Cardinals who were traded away to get these new "superstars"...er...umm..."new additions" would have been on the Cardinals team in two years?

If even only one of the new additions is on the team and contributing in two years, that's more than what Gray, Arenado or Contreras would have been contributing.

That's not the question. A beter question would be should we have traded rentals for more proven MLB players and paid some $ salaries to keep the talent on the roster? Kind of like we did we Edman for Fedde, and in restrospect should have done with Fedde for another veteran sooner.

Spending all year salivating over the trade deadline veteran dumps and the "prospects" we are getting back turns out to be a lot of wasted print when it come to on the field production. That's not how you move the needle.

Or you turn the prospect search on its head and find a list of 5 that will become the next franchise players and go ask the GMs what it will take to get them (and no one else will be discussed). Like we did with acquiring Wainwright, when WJ insisted he was included in that trade.

True when you are dumb like mo and wait until the deadline to trade marginal free agents when their value is at its lowest you aren’t going to get much back

[imyourhuckleberry]

How many of Mo's 2023 prospects have made the team? Hope its better than his track record:
Rom - awful then gone
Prieto: -0.2 career WAR, will be 27
Saggese: 0.2 career WAR, 78 OPS+
Robberse - ERA of 5 at AAA
Zack Showalter - hasn't risen above A+
Samuel Rodriguez - cant even find him
Nick Robertson - released after 2024
John King - good for a year+, but might be played out now that he's 31. He was the most experienced MLB player acquired that year
Tekoah Roby - will he ever be healthy? It won't be soon.
Victor Santos - 5.6 ERA at AAA
Matt Svanson - late bloomer but maybe a keeper. Ironically we got him for DFA'ing PDJ which would have happened even if we weren't selling everyone that year.
Adam Kloffenstein - pitched 1 IP, now back with the Jays milb?


So lots of expectations from unproven prospects who at the time, many expected to be great. And some still hang onto hope. But real world track record shows a pretty low hit rate on random prospects that other teams are willing to let go of. Most often they just can't reproduce their MiLB success in the majors. Or they are constantly hurt.

How many if the former Cardinals who were traded away to get these new "superstars"...er...umm..."new additions" would have been on the Cardinals team in two years?

If even only one of the new additions is on the team and contributing in two years, that's more than what Gray, Arenado or Contreras would have been contributing.

That's not the question. A beter question would be should we have traded rentals for more proven MLB players and paid some $ salaries to keep the talent on the roster? Kind of like we did we Edman for Fedde, and in restrospect should have done with Fedde for another veteran sooner.

Spending all year salivating over the trade deadline veteran dumps and the "prospects" we are getting back turns out to be a lot of wasted print when it come to on the field production. That's not how you move the needle.

Or you turn the prospect search on its head and find a list of 5 that will become the next franchise players and go ask the GMs what it will take to get them (and no one else will be discussed). Like we did with acquiring Wainwright, when WJ insisted he was included in that trade.

Disagree, respectfully, that that's a better question. That question is moot, in my opinion. They weren't getting proven MLB players for mid-30s, big contracts with NTCs. We can argue the prospect haul, but I disagree completely that proven major leaguers were even a part of the discussions.

I'm tired of paying big-ish salaries for past-prime, lower tier players who don't move the needle. We've been there. Time to rebuild from the foundation up and then spend on difference makers as the final piece(s) of the puzzle rather than forcing pieces where they don't fit and paying for the privilege. Building the foundation will also give them the ammunition needed to make the high impact trades to fill holes as well.

[ramfandan]

Even guys acquired that do not make the MLB roster can still be good acquistions as down the road , some of these players will be part of trades for other major leaguers. Adding depth can be helpful besides that player making your own MLB roster.

[Absolut]

27. But that’s me. I’m an aggressive gambler. Mr. Vegas.

[Hoosier59]

Even guys acquired that do not make the MLB roster can still be good acquistions as down the road , some of these players will be part of trades for other major leaguers. Adding depth can be helpful besides that player making your own MLB roster.

This was the kind of post I was waiting on to respond to. Some of you keep saying that these players that Bloom acquired, if they are having some success can later be flipped in another trade for more prospects. So, if they are doing good, trade them, but if they don’t pan out we are stuck with them or just release them! Such a nice way to build a team!