We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.
I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.
Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.
Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.
Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.
by rockondlouie » 03 Dec 2025 14:48 pm
Lotta smoke around the M's for sure
Donny + Burleson + JoJo
for
Woo
Get er' done Bloom!
That would be sick!
Who then plays 1B? Blaze Jordan? Herrera (if he doesn't cut it at C - which he will!)? Gorman? Crooks?
Hererra a solid candidate if the catching doesn't workout!
Until that point, Norman would be a logical choice to get him off 3rd base.
Down the line it could be R.R. if they move him off catching, his booming bat could be perfect at 1st Base.
kyace wrote: ↑29 Jan 2026 09:28 am
Sad part of this is that 3 years ago Gorman would have got you Woo and two years ago Nootbaar. Seattle really wanted those two several years back.
Today Woo is simply not available to any team.
Your thoughts on a requirement to have a 4 War pitcher to reach competitiveness. It doesn’t have to be Woo. Any player at that level will do.
Then, if you see a need, is it a bridge too far.
Its a bridge too far because the Cards have decided to build with the younger guys. Trades for those types of players require the younger guys. So right now, while we are building, the only way to acquire those guys is to grow one internally or buy one as a FA. Cards clearly refuse to do the latter.
Yes. At that cost they will demand is a no go. That’s one method gone. Next grow them. Our farm is furtive, but it’s gonna be a bit. Finally trade. Woo is 25. Aces don’t get much younger do they?
Cards are going to gave to likely spend on 2-3 players in a season or 2.
Likely an ace ot top of the rotation guy to hopefully pair with:
Doyle, Liberatore, McGreevy, and Mathews
And a couple of run producing hitters, depending on how well our current development goes.
Will they? I have no idea. One would hope, but I am not convinced we will ever aee payroll back to where it was.
We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.
I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.
Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.
Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.
Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.
by rockondlouie » 03 Dec 2025 14:48 pm
Lotta smoke around the M's for sure
Donny + Burleson + JoJo
for
Woo
Get er' done Bloom!
That would be sick!
Who then plays 1B? Blaze Jordan? Herrera (if he doesn't cut it at C - which he will!)? Gorman? Crooks?
Hererra a solid candidate if the catching doesn't workout!
Until that point, Norman would be a logical choice to get him off 3rd base.
Down the line it could be R.R. if they move him off catching, his booming bat could be perfect at 1st Base.
We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.
I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.
Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.
Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.
Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.
by rockondlouie » 03 Dec 2025 14:48 pm
Lotta smoke around the M's for sure
Donny + Burleson + JoJo
for
Woo
Get er' done Bloom!
That would be sick!
Who then plays 1B? Blaze Jordan? Herrera (if he doesn't cut it at C - which he will!)? Gorman? Crooks?
Hererra a solid candidate if the catching doesn't workout!
Until that point, Norman would be a logical choice to get him off 3rd base.
Down the line it could be R.R. if they move him off catching, his booming bat could be perfect at 1st Base.
Agree. Was thinking this year, but R.R. could be a good bat at 1st (although he is pretty short)!
Cards going to still have to add some offense from the outside in a year or so.
It should be understood that with any of these young players/prospects, you have two attributes of "value" which are running opposite each other:
(1) years of team control remaining and
(2) how "proven" the player is at the ML level
The trend seems to be that "value" sort of peaks after 2 or maybe 3 seasons of "proof" of high level performance at the ML level, but with then only 3-4 years of team control left.
For a similar prospect, "value" is lower with six years of team control, but no seasons of "proof" of ML performance.
And for a similar player, "value" is lower if you have 5 years of "proof", but only one year of team control remaining.
We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.
I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.
Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.
Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.
Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.
by rockondlouie » 03 Dec 2025 14:48 pm
Lotta smoke around the M's for sure
Donny + Burleson + JoJo
for
Woo
Get er' done Bloom!
That would be sick!
Who then plays 1B? Blaze Jordan? Herrera (if he doesn't cut it at C - which he will!)? Gorman? Crooks?
Hererra a solid candidate if the catching doesn't workout!
Until that point, Norman would be a logical choice to get him off 3rd base.
Down the line it could be R.R. if they move him off catching, his booming bat could be perfect at 1st Base.
So you too want Gorman off third. Welcome.
Never "wanted" him at 3rd base BDog, just realize that's where he's going to be stationed on OD as long as Bumbles is still here (and he will be) so why fight it?
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2026 09:54 am
It should be understood that with any of these young players/prospects, you have two attributes of "value" which are running opposite each other:
(1) years of team control remaining and
(2) how "proven" the player is at the ML level
The trend seems to be that "value" sort of peaks after 2 or maybe 3 seasons of "proof" of high level performance at the ML level, but with then only 3-4 years of team control left.
For a similar prospect, "value" is lower with six years of team control, but no seasons of "proof" of ML performance.
And for a similar player, "value" is lower if you have 5 years of "proof", but only one year of team control remaining.
So years of control value shrinks as performance value increases. What does that scenerio do to overall player value.
We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.
I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.
Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.
Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.
Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.
by rockondlouie » 03 Dec 2025 14:48 pm
Lotta smoke around the M's for sure
Donny + Burleson + JoJo
for
Woo
Get er' done Bloom!
That would be sick!
Who then plays 1B? Blaze Jordan? Herrera (if he doesn't cut it at C - which he will!)? Gorman? Crooks?
Hererra a solid candidate if the catching doesn't workout!
Until that point, Norman would be a logical choice to get him off 3rd base.
Down the line it could be R.R. if they move him off catching, his booming bat could be perfect at 1st Base.
Agree. Was thinking this year, but R.R. could be a good bat at 1st (although he is pretty short)!
Cards going to still have to add some offense from the outside in a year or so.
He is, so was S. Garvey at 5'10" (4 Gold Gloves) and he had a pretty nice career!
Let's hope catching pans out because if that bat continues to progress he could be a multi-time all-star!
We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.
I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.
Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.
Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.
Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.
by rockondlouie » 03 Dec 2025 14:48 pm
Lotta smoke around the M's for sure
Donny + Burleson + JoJo
for
Woo
Get er' done Bloom!
That would be sick!
Who then plays 1B? Blaze Jordan? Herrera (if he doesn't cut it at C - which he will!)? Gorman? Crooks?
Hererra a solid candidate if the catching doesn't workout!
Until that point, Norman would be a logical choice to get him off 3rd base.
Down the line it could be R.R. if they move him off catching, his booming bat could be perfect at 1st Base.
So you too want Gorman off third. Welcome.
Never "wanted" him at 3rd base BDog, just realize that's where he's going to be stationed on OD as long as Bumbles is still here (and he will be) so why fight it?
I can’t fight this feeling any longer. Either. That’s why I think he’d do adequate at first. However. Unless Donovan stays, I have no third baseman in the above scenerio.
We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.
I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.
Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.
Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.
Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.
by rockondlouie » 03 Dec 2025 14:48 pm
Lotta smoke around the M's for sure
Donny + Burleson + JoJo
for
Woo
Get er' done Bloom!
That would be sick!
Who then plays 1B? Blaze Jordan? Herrera (if he doesn't cut it at C - which he will!)? Gorman? Crooks?
Hererra a solid candidate if the catching doesn't workout!
Until that point, Norman would be a logical choice to get him off 3rd base.
Down the line it could be R.R. if they move him off catching, his booming bat could be perfect at 1st Base.
Agree. Was thinking this year, but R.R. could be a good bat at 1st (although he is pretty short)!
Cards going to still have to add some offense from the outside in a year or so.
He is, so was S. Garvey at 5'10" (4 Gold Gloves) and he had a pretty nice career!
Let's hope catching pans out because if that bat continues to progress he could be a multi-time all-star!
I don't care where he plays as ling as he can mash!!!
We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.
I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.
Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.
Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.
Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.
by rockondlouie » 03 Dec 2025 14:48 pm
Lotta smoke around the M's for sure
Donny + Burleson + JoJo
for
Woo
Get er' done Bloom!
That would be sick!
Who then plays 1B? Blaze Jordan? Herrera (if he doesn't cut it at C - which he will!)? Gorman? Crooks?
Hererra a solid candidate if the catching doesn't workout!
Until that point, Norman would be a logical choice to get him off 3rd base.
Down the line it could be R.R. if they move him off catching, his booming bat could be perfect at 1st Base.
Agree. Was thinking this year, but R.R. could be a good bat at 1st (although he is pretty short)!
Cards going to still have to add some offense from the outside in a year or so.
He is, so was S. Garvey at 5'10" (4 Gold Gloves) and he had a pretty nice career!
Let's hope catching pans out because if that bat continues to progress he could be a multi-time all-star!
I don't care where he plays as ling as he can mash!!!
We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.
I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.
Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.
Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.
Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.
by rockondlouie » 03 Dec 2025 14:48 pm
Lotta smoke around the M's for sure
Donny + Burleson + JoJo
for
Woo
Get er' done Bloom!
That would be sick!
Who then plays 1B? Blaze Jordan? Herrera (if he doesn't cut it at C - which he will!)? Gorman? Crooks?
Hererra a solid candidate if the catching doesn't workout!
Until that point, Norman would be a logical choice to get him off 3rd base.
Down the line it could be R.R. if they move him off catching, his booming bat could be perfect at 1st Base.
So you too want Gorman off third. Welcome.
Never "wanted" him at 3rd base BDog, just realize that's where he's going to be stationed on OD as long as Bumbles is still here (and he will be) so why fight it?
I can’t fight this feeling any longer. Either. That’s why I think he’d do adequate at first. However. Unless Donovan stays, I have no third baseman in the above scenerio.
REO!
(And if Donny's still here, I see him being in LF and Gorman still at 3rd Base. They're going to give him very opportunity to lose the job)
Because he's their least available starter. He had the best 2025 season of anyone in their rotation. He's the cheapest with the most team control left. He's not going anywhere. Might have had a chance two offseasons ago before he broke out. Now? Zero chance.
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2026 08:29 am
It’s really frustrating because DeWitt has just punted away this coming season and it wasn’t even 4th down!
He's made up his mind to go as cheap as possible with no contracts on the books until after the CBA is settled.
Many on here believe he will start spending again after it is settled, but by how much is still up in the air. He’s not going to try and keep up with the “ Big Boys “ if the current system isn’t changed!
I suspect the rebuild will be centered around young controled talent. It's difficult to say exactly who they are at this point in their development. There are obviously a few in the top 30 that will be impactful. Once those guys are established as ML level talent, the holes get filled with trades and maybe an expensive FA star or two when the team is ready to compete. That's when Oli goes and a ML manager is brought in. See the Houston model.
We have mentioned each of Seattles starters- Gilbert- Woo- Kirby-Miller. Gilbert makes 4M, the rest in the 700K range, for several years. Fits the mold.
I looked up values. Woo is the 15 th highest valued pitcher and 155 valued olayer of 760 roster players.
Soon Seattle will lose these guys, soon they will trade to reload.
Maybe now. They too are in a window. Time is now. AL west is down.
Is this the kind of deal we should be looking into for the rebuild.
I don't know man, if I had Woo I wouldn't trade him for Donovan. It would take more. Maybe Donovan and someone like McGreevy. And that would hurt in a different way. Either way you aren't getting Woo for Donovan alone. I don't think so anyway. But hey, I'm not employed by any baseball owner so what do I know.
There's been an industry-wide assumption for several seasons that the Mariners are going to trade a starting pitcher from their ML roster, despite the front office refuting it every time they're asked.
The Mariners were mere outs away from the AL pennant last season; they're not trading from their ML roster.
