Bloom- Dodgers Pitching model.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good morning.

Temperature check- 18 here. No snow or ice. Just cold.

Many here are moaning about the lack of acquired position players. They seem to think we have only focused on pitching.

We have.

I like this idea if accurate. Emulate the best in the game. Copy. Plagiarism. Steal. Don’t care.

It shows mental awareness from the leader. A direction.

Will they add offense. This off season? I say no.

I think they load up on arms, hope to shake out 1-2 starters, maybe a stud, then trade some at the deadline, this the start of an offensive build up.

What do you think. Does this idea satisfy the lack of offensive build up.

Ya think.

[12xu]

Snell-Yamamoto-Glasnow-Ohtani-Sheehan-Sasaki = the Dodgers primary starters for 2026. Only Sheehan was not signed as a FA or traded for. This cannot be the way the Cardinals build a starting pitching staff. There is no way they will pay for such a staff, when the combined salary for those 6 pitchers is well over $100 MM.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Snell-Yamamoto-Glasnow-Ohtani-Sheehan-Sasaki = the Dodgers primary starters for 2026. Only Sheehan was not signed as a FA or traded for. This cannot be the way the Cardinals build a starting pitching staff. There is no way they will pay for such a staff, when the combined salary for those 6 pitchers is well over $100 MM.

I hear ya. Not talking about moneys, talking about number of warm body’s. Next man up.

You don’t think that saturating a position will lead to finding a better pitcher. Cheap.

[BrockFloodMaris]

Snell-Yamamoto-Glasnow-Ohtani-Sheehan-Sasaki = the Dodgers primary starters for 2026. Only Sheehan was not signed as a FA or traded for. This cannot be the way the Cardinals build a starting pitching staff. There is no way they will pay for such a staff, when the combined salary for those 6 pitchers is well over $100 MM.

The Dodgers starting rotation may not be the best example of a model for the Cards to emulate, but Dog's point about collecting pitchers is a very sound one. TOR starters command extremely high contracts and AAVs. Mid-market teams won't compete in the deep end of this free agent pool, so they need to plant as many home grown seeds as possible.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Snell-Yamamoto-Glasnow-Ohtani-Sheehan-Sasaki = the Dodgers primary starters for 2026. Only Sheehan was not signed as a FA or traded for. This cannot be the way the Cardinals build a starting pitching staff. There is no way they will pay for such a staff, when the combined salary for those 6 pitchers is well over $100 MM.

The Dodgers starting rotation may not be the best example of a model for the Cards to emulate, but Dog's point about collecting pitchers is a very sound one. TOR starters command extremely high contracts and AAVs. Mid-market teams won't compete in the deep end of this free agent pool, so they need to plant as many home grown seeds as possible.

It seems to me LA has more pitchers on IL than we do as a team. I think. Yet they always have an arm available. Yes, some good high priced arms.

It’s the model and direction I note. Gotta be a footprint.

[ramfandan]

Bloom has expressed a change in philosophy in his starting pitchers of the future from Mo's regime.
In the past, the Cardinals sought guys who would pitch to contact ... had good control to throw the ball over the plate (few walks if possible ) .
Miles Mikolas would be good example of that type pitcher. Then they depended on a good defense to get outs on the batter balls in the field of play.

Bloom has said his philsophy is 'swing and miss ' type pitchers. He want a lot more strikeout type pitchers starting for him .
So he looks to high velocity type pitchers who may have a bit less command but can blow the ball by the hitter on strike 3 .
Liam Doyle would be example of that type pitcher. While not a polished arsenal of a variety of pitches , Bloom selected a kid who had a scout graded 70 elite fastball .. Bloom liked that Doyle had the highest strikeout per 9 innings of any Div. 1 college pitcher.
He also picked Tanner Franklin a hard thrower .
So we will see how these guys do but that is the model Bloom seeks that is far different from Mo's pitchers .

[scoutyjones2]

Snell-Yamamoto-Glasnow-Ohtani-Sheehan-Sasaki = the Dodgers primary starters for 2026. Only Sheehan was not signed as a FA or traded for. This cannot be the way the Cardinals build a starting pitching staff. There is no way they will pay for such a staff, when the combined salary for those 6 pitchers is well over $100 MM.

I hear ya. Not talking about moneys, talking about number of warm body’s. Next man up.

You don’t think that saturating a position will lead to finding a better pitcher. Cheap.

Warm bodies don't equate to talent. No, the Cards can't "copy" the Dogturds. As noted, they buy their pitching.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Snell-Yamamoto-Glasnow-Ohtani-Sheehan-Sasaki = the Dodgers primary starters for 2026. Only Sheehan was not signed as a FA or traded for. This cannot be the way the Cardinals build a starting pitching staff. There is no way they will pay for such a staff, when the combined salary for those 6 pitchers is well over $100 MM.

I hear ya. Not talking about moneys, talking about number of warm body’s. Next man up.

You don’t think that saturating a position will lead to finding a better pitcher. Cheap.

Warm bodies don't equate to talent. No, the Cards can't "copy" the Dogturds. As noted, they buy their pitching.

I know, I know, I got that. I’m talking about the numbers they bring in, this more arms, and a chance to hit on a stud.

I think all teams do this, just more in balance with position players. We seem very pitcher needy.

[12xu]

I am totally in favor of trading and/or signing multiple starting pitchers and drafting starting pitchers. The more the better, of course. Some will do well, some will get hurt, some will just be fair, some will be bad. Very difficult to exclusively rely on the farm system to provide all your starting staff. Much easier to develop your own position players.

Remember the cubs building their WS winning starting pitchers prior to '16? They signed FA Lester to a six year contract, and he cost them plenty. They signed old vet FA John Lackey who the Cardinals let go. They signed FA Jason Hammell to a reasonable contract. The rest of their staff was Arrieta, who they acquired from Baltimore for peanuts, and they fixed his delivery. They got Hendricks from Texas for Dempster, and the Professor proceeded to exceed all expectations. Not one starting pitcher was brought up thru their system. They made some smart moves, spent some cash, and got lucky to a degree. Just like the '15 Royals, the cubs' starting lineup was almost all homegrown.

[HorseTrader]

Not long ago the Dodgers were basically raising their pitchers. Even then it seemed they had 10 starters that were all good enough. It's only been in the last 2 or 3 years they've gone HEAVY into the FA market for pitching. Before that it was Kershaw, Buehler, Urias, Gonsolin, May, Miller....... No not all #1s but all effective when needed. Nope didn't all play on WS winning teams but they did all play on teams winning 90-100 games per year. So the Dodger model would still work. Just not the new FA model.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Not long ago the Dodgers were basically raising their pitchers. Even then it seemed they had 10 starters that were all good enough. It's only been in the last 2 or 3 years they've gone HEAVY into the FA market for pitching. Before that it was Kershaw, Buehler, Urias, Gonsolin, May, Miller....... No not all #1s but all effective when needed. Nope didn't all play on WS winning teams but they did all play on teams winning 90-100 games per year. So the Dodger model would still work. Just not the new FA model.

Your note says it all- not all number one’s, but effective when needed. Huge.

[scoutyjones2]

Snell-Yamamoto-Glasnow-Ohtani-Sheehan-Sasaki = the Dodgers primary starters for 2026. Only Sheehan was not signed as a FA or traded for. This cannot be the way the Cardinals build a starting pitching staff. There is no way they will pay for such a staff, when the combined salary for those 6 pitchers is well over $100 MM.

I hear ya. Not talking about moneys, talking about number of warm body’s. Next man up.

You don’t think that saturating a position will lead to finding a better pitcher. Cheap.

Warm bodies don't equate to talent. No, the Cards can't "copy" the Dogturds. As noted, they buy their pitching.

I know, I know, I got that. I’m talking about the numbers they bring in, this more arms, and a chance to hit on a stud.

I think all teams do this, just more in balance with position players. We seem very pitcher needy.

Again, it's quantity over quality. Not anything like the Dogturds. They buy almost all of their pitching...

It's true that you can never have enough pitching.

The teams to emulate are the Mariners and the Brewers

[rockondlouie]

Pitching........still the currency in MLB that not only helps your team but also in trades to acquire those hitters.

With the injury risk so high for pitchers, you can never have enough throughout your system.

[12xu]

Not long ago the Dodgers were basically raising their pitchers. Even then it seemed they had 10 starters that were all good enough. It's only been in the last 2 or 3 years they've gone HEAVY into the FA market for pitching. Before that it was Kershaw, Buehler, Urias, Gonsolin, May, Miller....... No not all #1s but all effective when needed. Nope didn't all play on WS winning teams but they did all play on teams winning 90-100 games per year. So the Dodger model would still work. Just not the new FA model.

Kershaw got old, and their young pitchers either got hurt, or did not lead to playoff success, so they ditched that method and went with the big bux approach. Most teams cannot play it this way.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Snell-Yamamoto-Glasnow-Ohtani-Sheehan-Sasaki = the Dodgers primary starters for 2026. Only Sheehan was not signed as a FA or traded for. This cannot be the way the Cardinals build a starting pitching staff. There is no way they will pay for such a staff, when the combined salary for those 6 pitchers is well over $100 MM.

I hear ya. Not talking about moneys, talking about number of warm body’s. Next man up.

You don’t think that saturating a position will lead to finding a better pitcher. Cheap.

Warm bodies don't equate to talent. No, the Cards can't "copy" the Dogturds. As noted, they buy their pitching.

I know, I know, I got that. I’m talking about the numbers they bring in, this more arms, and a chance to hit on a stud.

I think all teams do this, just more in balance with position players. We seem very pitcher needy.

Again, it's quantity over quality. Not anything like the Dogturds. They buy almost all of their pitching...

Not focused on that aspect. More on the sheer. Umber of pitchers they seem to always have.

Now, if they buy every one of them, to your point, it lessens the deeper aspects of the issue.

I’m more in line with their numbers, as you state, quantity over quality.

But ask yourself you note- they buy much.

[11WSChamps]

Good morning.

Temperature check- 18 here. No snow or ice. Just cold.

Many here are moaning about the lack of acquired position players. They seem to think we have only focused on pitching.

We have.

I like this idea if accurate. Emulate the best in the game. Copy. Plagiarism. Steal. Don’t care.

It shows mental awareness from the leader. A direction.

Will they add offense. This off season? I say no.

I think they load up on arms, hope to shake out 1-2 starters, maybe a stud, then trade some at the deadline, this the start of an offensive build up.

What do you think. Does this idea satisfy the lack of offensive build up.

Ya think.

With teams employing several pitchers each game and hitters only seeing the same pitcher maybe twice its the hitters that have become a premium and will be harder to find than pitching.

Pitching has always been the name of the game only now you have to have more of them.