Friedman on Thomas

[blues2112]

Where does it say team is looking to trade The Thomas? And I always love the "I heard" or "it's widely known" or ""word around the league is".)

"On Robert Thomas, Elliotte says if the Blues were to move him [then] you would have to make them an offer where they couldn't say no. "The other thing I've heard is they're looking for a stud top 6 forward that is slightly younger than Thomas."

Elliotte created a hypothetical. IF the Blues do this, THEN this other thing happens. Comparable to saying, IF the Oilers trade McDavid, THEN the haul would be XXX. "I've heard" Oilers are looking for a RHD (or whatever).

[theograce]

Where does it say team is looking to trade The Thomas? And I always love the "I heard" or "it's widely known" or ""word around the league is".)

"On Robert Thomas, Elliotte says if the Blues were to move him [then] you would have to make them an offer where they couldn't say no. "The other thing I've heard is they're looking for a stud top 6 forward that is slightly younger than Thomas."

Elliotte created a hypothetical. IF the Blues do this, THEN this other thing happens. Comparable to saying, IF the Oilers trade McDavid, THEN the haul would be XXX. "I've heard" Oilers are looking for a RHD (or whatever).

Yes if they do this…they obviously haven’t done anything.

He is available.

[Younghopp1991]

I honestly dont believe a full tear down would be too terrible. If you did it over a 2 year span of the actual tear down. Even if they decided to strip it back to the snuggerud draft.
Brobergs trade protection doesnt kick in for a bit. He brings a haul. Especially in a season or so.
Holloway/same
Thomas brings a haul when hebis moved.
Parayko haul
Faulk hopefully a 1st or equivalent
On top of your own high draft picks
I dont know where we would be starting year 3 but i believe that gives us a great chance to draft our leaders/stars and our supporting cast. Plus a lor of controllable talent to do what you please.

[skilles]

I feel like its a situation where we make bad choices and let the right players go while keeping the wrong players and then blame the remaining right players for the consequences of that.

[britishblue]

Have said it before but the (new) core is:

Thomas
Kyrou
Buch


Schenn, Binnington and Faulk are not here after next summer moving them does nothing if the worry is that there is a problem with said core.

If you want to shake up the core you move Thomas and Kyrou.

Ultimately this team has been in a downward spiral since they signed their extensions.

[WilliamWestcliffe]

This organization won a cup by acquiring later career centers in trade and FA (OReilly and Bozak). The other centers that year? Schenn and Sundqvist.

We don't have to have a home grown stud center. This team needs a youth window with an identity.

We've gone nowhere with Robert Thomas, he's hardly the untouchable many want to believe. Ask yourself this, what identity do the Blues lose sans Thomas?

Yes, trade him. Let's stop wasting time and start establishing an identity immediately with the next wave.

[steve li]

I honestly dont believe a full tear down would be too terrible. If you did it over a 2 year span of the actual tear down. Even if they decided to strip it back to the snuggerud draft.
Brobergs trade protection doesnt kick in for a bit. He brings a haul. Especially in a season or so.
Holloway/same
Thomas brings a haul when hebis moved.
Parayko haul
Faulk hopefully a 1st or equivalent
On top of your own high draft picks
I dont know where we would be starting year 3 but i believe that gives us a great chance to draft our leaders/stars and our supporting cast. Plus a lor of controllable talent to do what you please.

I can see the argument for most of the players on this list. Dunno if I'd agree, but I get it.

But Broberg?

[TheJackBurton]

it's getting a lot of smoke because at least 3 Canadian teams are looking for a second or a 1A center and he fits that mold for them, and the fans are constantly putting together trade packages for him. Those 3 being Hockey Mecca Toronto, Hockey Holyland Montreal, and Edmonton.

Lots of fans putting together trade packages means lots of ears, lots of ears means lots of clicks, lots of clicks means more funds.

[theograce]

it's getting a lot of smoke because at least 3 Canadian teams are looking for a second or a 1A center and he fits that mold for them, and the fans are constantly putting together trade packages for him. Those 3 being Hockey Mecca Toronto, Hockey Holyland Montreal, and Edmonton.

Lots of fans putting together trade packages means lots of ears, lots of ears means lots of clicks, lots of clicks means more funds.

If it wasn’t true the Blues would say so.

Clicks

Laughing

[DawgDad]

I feel like its a situation where we make bad choices and let the right players go while keeping the wrong players and then blame the remaining right players for the consequences of that.

LOL. Who were these "right" players?

Thomas is still young, 90-point (plus?) potential, on a super contract, and . . . beat up, down, and sideways. He's precisely the guy you build around, when healthy. I would run away from him only if his durability is a real concern. His current production dip is driven by injuries and the shortcomings of most of his teammates.

If they trade Thomas, the big risk is they fall into the bottom feeder cycle of young players fleeing town at the first opportunity, constantly recycling the emerging batch of young talent for futures.

So, if they trade him, it has to be a young stud #1 center coming back, a guy willing and virtually certain to grab the reins and excel. As close to Celebrini as they can get, and not too far off.

[TheHighHat]

I dont want a haul for Thomas.
If I give up Thomas--I want one player equal to Thomas--or it makes no sense.
We need quality not quantity. We have draft pics galore. Need a #1 Center. #1 winger.

Any player coming back likely won’t be equal to Thomas for at least a couple of years. I think they want to add someone in the 20-22 age range. Return is gonna be a haul..no way they move him without that kind of return.

How about Utah?
They have the assets and the cap flexibility.
How about a deal with Desnoyers being the main piece in return?

I know Bill Armstrong recently stated that he wants to add without giving up his young assets, but that might just be subterfuge.
They're loaded with prospects and are on the cusp of catching up with the big 4 (EDM, VGK, COL, & DAL) in the West that are in the winter of their superiority.

Utah is going to need another top center to compete with the next wave of dominant teams in the West with at least 2 high end centers.
Do they stay patient and wait for Desnoyers or do they take on the sure thing in the 26.5 year old Thomas to expedite the process?

When healthy the Utah centers would be:
L. Cooley
R. Thomas
B. Hayton
J. McBain

[DawgDad]

I dont want a haul for Thomas.
If I give up Thomas--I want one player equal to Thomas--or it makes no sense.
We need quality not quantity. We have draft pics galore. Need a #1 Center. #1 winger.

Any player coming back likely won’t be equal to Thomas for at least a couple of years. I think they want to add someone in the 20-22 age range. Return is gonna be a haul..no way they move him without that kind of return.

How about Utah?
They have the assets and the cap flexibility.
How about a deal with Desnoyers being the main piece in return?

I know Bill Armstrong recently stated that he wants to add without giving up his young assets, but that might just be subterfuge.
They're loaded with prospects and are on the cusp of catching up with the big 4 (EDM, VGK, COL, & DAL) in the West that are in the winter of their superiority.

Utah is going to need another top center to compete with the next wave of dominant teams in the West with at least 2 high end centers.
Do they stay patient and wait for Desnoyers or do they take on the sure thing in the 26.5 year old Thomas to expedite the process?

When healthy the Utah centers would be:
L. Cooley
R. Thomas
B. Hayton
J. McBain

A bit too far away?

[a smell of green grass]

What I want is a deal like ROR for Tage Thompson in reverse.

[Harry York 37]

I have always valued Thomas, but I am not 100% sold on his hard-core desire. He sided with Kyrou against Chief. They were/are pals, so it is understandable, but I thought that if he had sided with the Coach who wanted his 8 million Dollar Winger to play smart and competitive hockey... we would be in a far better place.
If we move nim it better be for good immediate replacement value.
I'd waive Kyrou, just like we did his future self, Brandon Saad.

You don't want your kids coming up to watch Kyrou's bullhs#t.

[theograce]

He sided with Kyrou against Chief.

Berube ripped Thomas publicly.

How could Thomas side with Berube

[Younghopp1991]

I honestly dont believe a full tear down would be too terrible. If you did it over a 2 year span of the actual tear down. Even if they decided to strip it back to the snuggerud draft.
Brobergs trade protection doesnt kick in for a bit. He brings a haul. Especially in a season or so.
Holloway/same
Thomas brings a haul when hebis moved.
Parayko haul
Faulk hopefully a 1st or equivalent
On top of your own high draft picks
I dont know where we would be starting year 3 but i believe that gives us a great chance to draft our leaders/stars and our supporting cast. Plus a lor of controllable talent to do what you please.

I can see the argument for most of the players on this list. Dunno if I'd agree, but I get it.

But Broberg?

Him and holloway are only on the list because we have control until his nmc kicks in is all.