Stop. Pulling. The. Goalie!!!!!

[Jeff Goldblum]

Really weird to see a guy hitting on himself on an anonymous hockey forum...

[seattleblue]

Says the forum coward who started a new name Dec 5

[Russdv14]

Yeah, we don’t have any finishers because these guys all shoot wide even the ones who do shoot. What good is it to pull the goalie? If hardly anybody can put it into the net
I think it would be a disaster too if we lost Thomas because he’s the only one who can dish out passes. I’m just kind of tired of Buchnevich for sure and not sure about Kyrou.
The best line seem to be with Dvorsky, Berggren and Stenberg (or maybe Snuggerud) because they’re young enough to want to score

[Wattage]

The answer isn’t to stop pulling the goalie, it’s to improve the strategy and urgency when pulling the goalie. As in the end, it’s almost always a good strategy when down a goal or two late. It increases your odds of scoring to tie the game. It also obviously increases the odds of the other team scoring to extend their lead…but really, it doesn’t matter unless you care about goal differential as losing by 2 is the same result as losing by 1 - a regulation loss and zero points.

So again, the strategy of pulling the goalie when down late isn’t the issue. It’s the execution of that strategy that’s just not there. And obviously the frequency of being behind late in games so often is the even bigger issue.

These are the sorts of issues teams deal with when they suck.

In a vacuum maybe it raises the chances of scoring for the league as a whole. It does not seem to be the case for the Blues. I have no problem with pulling the goalie, but to do so with 3 minutes left and not even with clean possession is just suicidal for this group.

I mean you have to do it. Suicidal? This team can’t score at ES and hasn’t since first period of the Tampa game.

Have they scored a 6 on 5 goal at all this year?

It would be absolutely hilarious if they played it out 5on5 on this team. Hey…we’ve struggled scoring 6on5 so we are going to stop trying

I’m not saying to stop pulling the goalie entirely. I’m saying doing it with 3 minutes left without possession is dumb because of what this group has shown

the odds of tying the game without pulling goalie with less than 3 minutes left are probably less than 1%. the opposing team just needs to kill clock when there is that luttle time left sp if they get posession they can pass around a lot to kill lots of clock.

if the blues cant hold posession of the puck with 6 skaters, i dont know why you think theyd be able to hold posession of the pzck with 5 skater. all that changes is that the opposing team has an extra minute where they posess the puck and kill clock

[Younghopp1991]

He is just stating that they should possess the puck first

[MiamiLaw]

The answer isn’t to stop pulling the goalie, it’s to improve the strategy and urgency when pulling the goalie. As in the end, it’s almost always a good strategy when down a goal or two late. It increases your odds of scoring to tie the game. It also obviously increases the odds of the other team scoring to extend their lead…but really, it doesn’t matter unless you care about goal differential as losing by 2 is the same result as losing by 1 - a regulation loss and zero points.

So again, the strategy of pulling the goalie when down late isn’t the issue. It’s the execution of that strategy that’s just not there. And obviously the frequency of being behind late in games so often is the even bigger issue.

These are the sorts of issues teams deal with when they suck.

In a vacuum maybe it raises the chances of scoring for the league as a whole. It does not seem to be the case for the Blues. I have no problem with pulling the goalie, but to do so with 3 minutes left and not even with clean possession is just suicidal for this group.

I mean you have to do it. Suicidal? This team can’t score at ES and hasn’t since first period of the Tampa game.

Have they scored a 6 on 5 goal at all this year?

It would be absolutely hilarious if they played it out 5on5 on this team. Hey…we’ve struggled scoring 6on5 so we are going to stop trying

I’m not saying to stop pulling the goalie entirely. I’m saying doing it with 3 minutes left without possession is dumb because of what this group has shown

the odds of tying the game without pulling goalie with less than 3 minutes left are probably less than 1%. the opposing team just needs to kill clock when there is that luttle time left sp if they get posession they can pass around a lot to kill lots of clock.

if the blues cant hold posession of the puck with 6 skaters, i dont know why you think theyd be able to hold posession of the pzck with 5 skater. all that changes is that the opposing team has an extra minute where they posess the puck and kill clock

That’s not true. They also have an empty net where they can basically just ice the game by shooting on goal from anywhere on the ice, and with a team with abysmal possession ability and fight like the Blues, a shot like that on goal is basically a guarantee. At least with a goalie in there the opposition has to get a decent shot.

Giving another team 3 minutes to get ANY shot on this Blues squad is just not smart. Usually it happens within 10 seconds honestly but in the last minute if the game, I can understand it. I’ll take my chances 5 on 5 before that, as small as they may be.

The main point is that using the odds, numbers and statistics on empty nets assumes a league average team with possession, urgency and drive. This particular Blues team is one of the worst teams I’ve ever seen at any of those. So the conventional wisdom does not truly apply here.

[Wattage]

The answer isn’t to stop pulling the goalie, it’s to improve the strategy and urgency when pulling the goalie. As in the end, it’s almost always a good strategy when down a goal or two late. It increases your odds of scoring to tie the game. It also obviously increases the odds of the other team scoring to extend their lead…but really, it doesn’t matter unless you care about goal differential as losing by 2 is the same result as losing by 1 - a regulation loss and zero points.

So again, the strategy of pulling the goalie when down late isn’t the issue. It’s the execution of that strategy that’s just not there. And obviously the frequency of being behind late in games so often is the even bigger issue.

These are the sorts of issues teams deal with when they suck.

In a vacuum maybe it raises the chances of scoring for the league as a whole. It does not seem to be the case for the Blues. I have no problem with pulling the goalie, but to do so with 3 minutes left and not even with clean possession is just suicidal for this group.

I mean you have to do it. Suicidal? This team can’t score at ES and hasn’t since first period of the Tampa game.

Have they scored a 6 on 5 goal at all this year?

It would be absolutely hilarious if they played it out 5on5 on this team. Hey…we’ve struggled scoring 6on5 so we are going to stop trying

I’m not saying to stop pulling the goalie entirely. I’m saying doing it with 3 minutes left without possession is dumb because of what this group has shown

the odds of tying the game without pulling goalie with less than 3 minutes left are probably less than 1%. the opposing team just needs to kill clock when there is that luttle time left sp if they get posession they can pass around a lot to kill lots of clock.

if the blues cant hold posession of the puck with 6 skaters, i dont know why you think theyd be able to hold posession of the pzck with 5 skater. all that changes is that the opposing team has an extra minute where they posess the puck and kill clock

That’s not true. They also have an empty net where they can basically just ice the game by shooting on goal from anywhere on the ice, and with a team with abysmal possession ability and fight like the Blues, a shot like that on goal is basically a guarantee. At least with a goalie in there the opposition has to get a decent shot.

Giving another team 3 minutes to get ANY shot on this Blues squad is just not smart. Usually it happens within 10 seconds honestly but in the last minute if the game, I can understand it. I’ll take my chances 5 on 5 before that, as small as they may be.

The main point is that using the odds, numbers and statistics on empty nets assumes a league average team with possession, urgency and drive. This particular Blues team is one of the worst teams I’ve ever seen at any of those. So the conventional wisdom does not truly apply here.

That epically bad posessing urgency and drive of blues team isnt scoring without the goalie pulled either. So it doesnt matter if we lose by 1 or 2.

If the blues trip on thenselves to not immedjately turn the puck over within 10 seconds 6 players, they werent gonna sustain any offensive pressure or posession with 5 players.

[MiamiLaw]

The answer isn’t to stop pulling the goalie, it’s to improve the strategy and urgency when pulling the goalie. As in the end, it’s almost always a good strategy when down a goal or two late. It increases your odds of scoring to tie the game. It also obviously increases the odds of the other team scoring to extend their lead…but really, it doesn’t matter unless you care about goal differential as losing by 2 is the same result as losing by 1 - a regulation loss and zero points.

So again, the strategy of pulling the goalie when down late isn’t the issue. It’s the execution of that strategy that’s just not there. And obviously the frequency of being behind late in games so often is the even bigger issue.

These are the sorts of issues teams deal with when they suck.

In a vacuum maybe it raises the chances of scoring for the league as a whole. It does not seem to be the case for the Blues. I have no problem with pulling the goalie, but to do so with 3 minutes left and not even with clean possession is just suicidal for this group.

I mean you have to do it. Suicidal? This team can’t score at ES and hasn’t since first period of the Tampa game.

Have they scored a 6 on 5 goal at all this year?

It would be absolutely hilarious if they played it out 5on5 on this team. Hey…we’ve struggled scoring 6on5 so we are going to stop trying

I’m not saying to stop pulling the goalie entirely. I’m saying doing it with 3 minutes left without possession is dumb because of what this group has shown

the odds of tying the game without pulling goalie with less than 3 minutes left are probably less than 1%. the opposing team just needs to kill clock when there is that luttle time left sp if they get posession they can pass around a lot to kill lots of clock.

if the blues cant hold posession of the puck with 6 skaters, i dont know why you think theyd be able to hold posession of the pzck with 5 skater. all that changes is that the opposing team has an extra minute where they posess the puck and kill clock

That’s not true. They also have an empty net where they can basically just ice the game by shooting on goal from anywhere on the ice, and with a team with abysmal possession ability and fight like the Blues, a shot like that on goal is basically a guarantee. At least with a goalie in there the opposition has to get a decent shot.

Giving another team 3 minutes to get ANY shot on this Blues squad is just not smart. Usually it happens within 10 seconds honestly but in the last minute if the game, I can understand it. I’ll take my chances 5 on 5 before that, as small as they may be.

The main point is that using the odds, numbers and statistics on empty nets assumes a league average team with possession, urgency and drive. This particular Blues team is one of the worst teams I’ve ever seen at any of those. So the conventional wisdom does not truly apply here.

That epically bad posessing urgency and drive of blues team isnt scoring without the goalie pulled either. So it doesnt matter if we lose by 1 or 2.

If the blues trip on thenselves to not immedjately turn the puck over within 10 seconds 6 players, they werent gonna sustain any offensive pressure or posession with 5 players.

That ignores everything we’ve seen though. When this team scores, it’s almost always off the rush. They’re not getting any rushes 6 on 5. They don’t need possession to score 5 on 5.

How many 6 on 5 goals have they scored this year? Any? I can’t remember one but maybe there was. So I’ll take some chance over a 0% chance which is what this team has proven to be 6 on 5.

Your logic I’ll agree with in the last minute. Why not at that point? But before that, I just disagree. You’d be correct with almost any other team in this league but not this Blues squad.

[Wattage]

The answer isn’t to stop pulling the goalie, it’s to improve the strategy and urgency when pulling the goalie. As in the end, it’s almost always a good strategy when down a goal or two late. It increases your odds of scoring to tie the game. It also obviously increases the odds of the other team scoring to extend their lead…but really, it doesn’t matter unless you care about goal differential as losing by 2 is the same result as losing by 1 - a regulation loss and zero points.

So again, the strategy of pulling the goalie when down late isn’t the issue. It’s the execution of that strategy that’s just not there. And obviously the frequency of being behind late in games so often is the even bigger issue.

These are the sorts of issues teams deal with when they suck.

In a vacuum maybe it raises the chances of scoring for the league as a whole. It does not seem to be the case for the Blues. I have no problem with pulling the goalie, but to do so with 3 minutes left and not even with clean possession is just suicidal for this group.

I mean you have to do it. Suicidal? This team can’t score at ES and hasn’t since first period of the Tampa game.

Have they scored a 6 on 5 goal at all this year?

It would be absolutely hilarious if they played it out 5on5 on this team. Hey…we’ve struggled scoring 6on5 so we are going to stop trying

I’m not saying to stop pulling the goalie entirely. I’m saying doing it with 3 minutes left without possession is dumb because of what this group has shown

the odds of tying the game without pulling goalie with less than 3 minutes left are probably less than 1%. the opposing team just needs to kill clock when there is that luttle time left sp if they get posession they can pass around a lot to kill lots of clock.

if the blues cant hold posession of the puck with 6 skaters, i dont know why you think theyd be able to hold posession of the pzck with 5 skater. all that changes is that the opposing team has an extra minute where they posess the puck and kill clock

That’s not true. They also have an empty net where they can basically just ice the game by shooting on goal from anywhere on the ice, and with a team with abysmal possession ability and fight like the Blues, a shot like that on goal is basically a guarantee. At least with a goalie in there the opposition has to get a decent shot.

Giving another team 3 minutes to get ANY shot on this Blues squad is just not smart. Usually it happens within 10 seconds honestly but in the last minute if the game, I can understand it. I’ll take my chances 5 on 5 before that, as small as they may be.

The main point is that using the odds, numbers and statistics on empty nets assumes a league average team with possession, urgency and drive. This particular Blues team is one of the worst teams I’ve ever seen at any of those. So the conventional wisdom does not truly apply here.

That epically bad posessing urgency and drive of blues team isnt scoring without the goalie pulled either. So it doesnt matter if we lose by 1 or 2.

If the blues trip on thenselves to not immedjately turn the puck over within 10 seconds 6 players, they werent gonna sustain any offensive pressure or posession with 5 players.

That ignores everything we’ve seen though. When this team scores, it’s almost always off the rush. They’re not getting any rushes 6 on 5. They don’t need possession to score 5 on 5.

How many 6 on 5 goals have they scored this year? Any? I can’t remember one but maybe there was. So I’ll take some chance over a 0% chance which is what this team has proven to be 6 on 5.

Your logic I’ll agree with in the last minute. Why not at that point? But before that, I just disagree. You’d be correct with almost any other team in this league but not this Blues squad.

they wouldnt get a rush though with 2 minutes left unless the opposing team plays idiotically. because the opposing team doesnt need to score another goal. just pass the puck around and maintain clock. if we got a rush with less than 2 minutes left thatd be idiotic playing by the opposing team.

[sdaltons]

Yeah cut it out!!

[blues2112]

Never works. As per Homer Simpson, trying is the first step toward failing.