My problem with Mason Winn

[Ozziesfan41]

He hit 15 homruns when he had two good knees in 2024 at age 22. With healthy knees next season I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to hit 15-20 homruns every season when healthy which is pretty good for a gold glove short stop. He does need to learn to steal bases though

He said at winter warmup from himself that he is not going to hit for power, that is not his skill set.

Did he define what not hitting for power meant? He hit 15 in 2024 I don’t see why he can’t hit that many again or 15-20 with two good knees.

[Youboughtit]

As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS

Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power

Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength

Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.

The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.

I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.

SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.

Baloney.

Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?

[Youboughtit]

He hit 15 homruns when he had two good knees in 2024 at age 22. With healthy knees next season I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to hit 15-20 homruns every season when healthy which is pretty good for a gold glove short stop. He does need to learn to steal bases though

He said at winter warmup from himself that he is not going to hit for power, that is not his skill set.

Did he define what not hitting for power meant? He hit 15 in 2024 I don’t see why he can’t hit that many again or 15-20

He may hit 15 and in his peak 20. He didn’t specify. They just said on radio he specifically said he is not a slug/power guy. Not his skillset

[Ozziesfan41]

As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS

Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power

Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength

Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.

The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.

I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.

SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.

Baloney.

Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?

Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024

[Youboughtit]

As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS

Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power

Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength

Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.

The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.

I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.

SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.

Baloney.

Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?

Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024

Renteria nowhere near a HoF or superstar caliber.


Jeter will be the lightest hitting SS to get in from last 25 years.

BA .310
HR 260
RBI 1311
OPS .817

The average of top 5 SS last year were

BA .289
HR 26
RBI 89
OPS .839


To be a future superstar at SS he will need a 5-8 year prime with those type of numbers.

[Youboughtit]

As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS

Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power

Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength

Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.

The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.

I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.

SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.

Baloney.

Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?

Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024

Renteria is not a Superstar. Perineal all star or HOf consideration. He was a VG SS. That’s what Winn is. Same caliber. Not a “best player on team cantidate. Renteria was the 5th best player on the roster

[Francis Park Thug]

As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS

Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power

Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength

Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.

The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.

I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.

SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.

Having players on the AS team and in the HOF is great BUT I'd rather have a winning team. Winn is a winner. Good defense, average or better hitter. The team will win a lot of games with him at SS. I could see the Cards moving him in a couple of year to move JJ back to SS but right now Winn is the right man for the SS position

Please stop with this talk of switching positions.
Leave Winn at short, and JJ at 2nd for next 10 years.
Have continuity up the middle.
That was Mo's problem.
He was always putting round objects in square holes.

[Ozziesfan41]

As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS

Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power

Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength

Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.

The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.

I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.

SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.

Baloney.

Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?

Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024

Renteria is not a Superstar. Perineal all star or HOf consideration. He was a VG SS. That’s what Winn is. Same caliber. Not a “best player on team cantidate. Renteria was the 5th best player on the roster

It’s really weird your problem with winn is he isn’t a HOF or superstar if that is your measure for a player you must have a problem with 99% of baseball players. He’s a gold glove shortstop who will hit 15-20 horn runs that’s pretty good

[TheFantasyStud]

If Winn can develop into a base threat he has the potential to be the most well rounded SS in the league.
If he peaks at 20 home runs, 30 SBs and a .280 with a gold glove wouldn’t that be considered top 5. I’m sure he could get close to #1 based on WAR.

He’s still 3-5 years away from his prime.

[Cusecards]

GG caliber SS with a cannon for an arm.
Respectable power.
If he increases his OBP & RISP I could couldn’t care less how many HR’s he hits!

[Youboughtit]

As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS

Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power

Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength

Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.

The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.

I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.

SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.

Baloney.

Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?

Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024

Renteria is not a Superstar. Perineal all star or HOf consideration. He was a VG SS. That’s what Winn is. Same caliber. Not a “best player on team cantidate. Renteria was the 5th best player on the roster

It’s really weird your problem with winn is he isn’t a HOF or superstar if that is your measure for a player you must have a problem with 99% of baseball players. He’s a gold glove shortstop who will hit 15-20 horn runs that’s pretty good

Fine. Don’t sell him as a best player then. Sell him as a role player. Not a face of franchise

[Youboughtit]

If Winn can develop into a base threat he has the potential to be the most well rounded SS in the league.
If he peaks at 20 home runs, 30 SBs and a .280 with a gold glove wouldn’t that be considered top 5. I’m sure he could get close to #1 based on WAR.

He’s still 3-5 years away from his prime.

Witt does all that plus 20%

[Ozziesfan41]

As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS

Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power

Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength

Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.

The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.

I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.

SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.

Baloney.

Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?

Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024

Renteria is not a Superstar. Perineal all star or HOf consideration. He was a VG SS. That’s what Winn is. Same caliber. Not a “best player on team cantidate. Renteria was the 5th best player on the roster

It’s really weird your problem with winn is he isn’t a HOF or superstar if that is your measure for a player you must have a problem with 99% of baseball players. He’s a gold glove shortstop who will hit 15-20 horn runs that’s pretty good

Fine. Don’t sell him as a best player then. Sell him as a role player. Not a face of franchise

Who is selling him as that? As far as I have seen everyone is pretty much selling JJ as the face of the franchise and he hasn’t played a game in the majors yet. All I’ve seen them selling Winn as is a gold glove short stop which he is you’re the one tearing him down because he’s not a HOF player

[Youboughtit]

As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS

Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power

Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength

Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.

The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.

I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.

SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.

Baloney.

Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?

Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024

Renteria is not a Superstar. Perineal all star or HOf consideration. He was a VG SS. That’s what Winn is. Same caliber. Not a “best player on team cantidate. Renteria was the 5th best player on the roster

It’s really weird your problem with winn is he isn’t a HOF or superstar if that is your measure for a player you must have a problem with 99% of baseball players. He’s a gold glove shortstop who will hit 15-20 horn runs that’s pretty good

Fine. Don’t sell him as a best player then. Sell him as a role player. Not a face of franchise

Who is selling him as that? As far as I have seen everyone is pretty much selling JJ as the face of the franchise and he hasn’t played a game in the majors yet. All I’ve seen them selling Winn as is a gold glove short stop which he is

A lot of Cards talk selling Winn as that and a superstar. I am just trying to say he is a nice VG role player. This team need 3 elite superstars.

[craviduce]

As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS

Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power

Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength

Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.

The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.

I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.

SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.

Baloney.

Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?

Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024

Renteria nowhere near a HoF or superstar caliber.


Jeter will be the lightest hitting SS to get in from last 25 years.

BA .310
HR 260
RBI 1311
OPS .817

The average of top 5 SS last year were

BA .289
HR 26
RBI 89
OPS .839


To be a future superstar at SS he will need a 5-8 year prime with those type of numbers.

I have Barry Larkin's 198 HR on the line, he'd like a word.

[rage-STL]

If Winn can develop into a base threat he has the potential to be the most well rounded SS in the league.
If he peaks at 20 home runs, 30 SBs and a .280 with a gold glove wouldn’t that be considered top 5. I’m sure he could get close to #1 based on WAR.

He’s still 3-5 years away from his prime.

Witt does all that plus 20%

Witt is one he11 of a ballplayer. He was also the #2 overall pick and Masyn Winn was taken in the 2nd round. I'm excited to see Winn take a step forward this year, think his best is yet to come.