Mails shouldn’t be in the NHL right now

[MiamiLaw]

It was the shift right after the 10 minute mark. Every time it touched 23’s stick, it ended up back to Carolina. The shift where you said his backhand clear was knocked down. I wasn’t even counting that one.

He had two breakout passes prior to that. One hit Butch’s stick (89 not 29), and that one actually was on Buch on rewatch. Soft play. The next he just panic dumped out right to Carolina. Then the backhand knockdown you saw. Then he flubs a pass from Hofer and gives it right to Car.

Four times it touched 23’s stick. 4 times Carolina regained possession. Though again the first was more on Buch than I realized live.

Feel free to point out parts you saw him make a great play too. You said he played well in the first. I’d like to take a look. I’m trying to see what others are seeing that he is showing great potential.

Shift breakdown for first two periods
They did get stuck on the ice too long in the second. He still didn't make any terrible plays during these two periods. As far as the long shift if you want to be critical of him then there are 4 other players on that shift that had chances to get pucks deep.
I'm also not expecting him to be a top 4 D right now and I also realize he's probably focusing on not making a mistake. Which he didn't.
1st Period
Mailloux playing LD
17:45-16:40, Mailloux completed pass to 29 who got the puck deep.
17:19 Mailloux completed pass to 51 who got puck deep
16:54 Mailloux pinched in and completed pass to 29
16:40 Kessel lost the puck battle and Mailloux blocked a shot and puck went out of play
12:37-12:04, 12:15 Mailloux keeps puck in ozone with Chip to Schenn. Schenn skates with puck towards blueline and loses the puck. Mailloux breaks up 2 on 1
11:15-10:40, 10:47 Mailloux completes pass to Kessel, Kessel deflects puck towards Jake but the puck bounces and Canes gain possession
9:47-9:40, Didn’t touch puck
8:31-7:59, Didn’t touch puck
6:05-4:38, 5:50 poke checked puck from Jarvis, 4:42 completed pass out of zone to 54
3:00-2:20, 2:39 Chipped puck to Stenberg in Dzone who chipped puck to where Schenn was, Schenn couldn’t gain control of puck
2nd period
Logan Mailloux playing LD
18:18 Mailloux takes penalty
16:18-15:30, 15:38 Hofer sent pass out of reach of Mailloux, Canes gain possession for a SOG
12:52-11:56, 12:21 54 passes puck to Mailloux in front of Blues net, Mailloux passes to 25 who then puts the puck on a Canes stick. Kessel was a part of 2 giveaways this shift that the announcers mentioned.
10:52-8:22, 10:10 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel on the boards who chips puck to 29 at blue line. Puck gets out but Canes have possession. 9:47 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel, Kessel flips puck outside blue line but Canes gain possession. 9:36 Hofer passes to Mailloux, Mailloux banks puck out to redline to Buch who tip the puck to center ice where the canes gain possession. 9:28 Kessel banks puck to Mailloux who chips puck out to blue line where Buch deflects puck to a Canes player just inside their blueline. 9:20 Mailloux lifts puck high towards blueline but Canes player knocks it down. 8:52 Mailloux tries to hit bouncing puck out of zone but puck is kept in. 8:49 Sunny attempts to poke puck out of zone. 8:48 Mailloux attempts to poke puck out of zone
6:49-5:44, 6:37 Mailloux pinches in and sends puck to corner. 6:04 Mailloux sends puck out of zone where 13 deflects puck in deep
3:29-3:00, Didn’t touch puck

Appreciate this. And I promise I will review all of these.

But at least to the bolded part, come on man. At the very least you have to admit that was a misplay. He completely mishandled a routine bank pass from Hofer. The way you put this makes me think you are not being objective about this. "Tries to hit a bouncing puck"?? How about, "mishandles a ten foot bank off the boards from Hofer and fails to clear". That is a much more accurate description. Your descriptions of what is happening blame everyone except LM on that shift.

Is it your position that even though 4 times the puck was with him, and all four times the Canes ended up with possession right after, none of it was his fault at all? You seem to be able to point out when Kessel was making mistakes though (which I never claimed he didn't). In any event, I will review the other ones.

The puck was bouncing. What would you like me to say? On the Hofer pass that missed him he reach for it and the pass was still too far.
As far as the 4 touches if you are saying that’s on him then you need to be consistent and critique the other 7 players that were on the ice for parts of the 2.5 mins for what their role was during that time. It’s not all on Mailloux.

This thread is about Mailloux. Why would I critique other players in this thread? I never said it was all on him though. Never. Other players make mistakes. Other players also don't have practically league worst numbers. You still won't directly assign him any blame on that shift though? Why can't you just acknowledge it was a bad shift by him?

This is what I mean when I say it is ridiculous that people say I have an agenda. It is like people are going out of their way not to point out things he does wrong. He is treated with freakin muffin gloves in this forum.

[Bubble4427]

It was the shift right after the 10 minute mark. Every time it touched 23’s stick, it ended up back to Carolina. The shift where you said his backhand clear was knocked down. I wasn’t even counting that one.

He had two breakout passes prior to that. One hit Butch’s stick (89 not 29), and that one actually was on Buch on rewatch. Soft play. The next he just panic dumped out right to Carolina. Then the backhand knockdown you saw. Then he flubs a pass from Hofer and gives it right to Car.

Four times it touched 23’s stick. 4 times Carolina regained possession. Though again the first was more on Buch than I realized live.

Feel free to point out parts you saw him make a great play too. You said he played well in the first. I’d like to take a look. I’m trying to see what others are seeing that he is showing great potential.

Shift breakdown for first two periods
They did get stuck on the ice too long in the second. He still didn't make any terrible plays during these two periods. As far as the long shift if you want to be critical of him then there are 4 other players on that shift that had chances to get pucks deep.
I'm also not expecting him to be a top 4 D right now and I also realize he's probably focusing on not making a mistake. Which he didn't.
1st Period
Mailloux playing LD
17:45-16:40, Mailloux completed pass to 29 who got the puck deep.
17:19 Mailloux completed pass to 51 who got puck deep
16:54 Mailloux pinched in and completed pass to 29
16:40 Kessel lost the puck battle and Mailloux blocked a shot and puck went out of play
12:37-12:04, 12:15 Mailloux keeps puck in ozone with Chip to Schenn. Schenn skates with puck towards blueline and loses the puck. Mailloux breaks up 2 on 1
11:15-10:40, 10:47 Mailloux completes pass to Kessel, Kessel deflects puck towards Jake but the puck bounces and Canes gain possession
9:47-9:40, Didn’t touch puck
8:31-7:59, Didn’t touch puck
6:05-4:38, 5:50 poke checked puck from Jarvis, 4:42 completed pass out of zone to 54
3:00-2:20, 2:39 Chipped puck to Stenberg in Dzone who chipped puck to where Schenn was, Schenn couldn’t gain control of puck
2nd period
Logan Mailloux playing LD
18:18 Mailloux takes penalty
16:18-15:30, 15:38 Hofer sent pass out of reach of Mailloux, Canes gain possession for a SOG
12:52-11:56, 12:21 54 passes puck to Mailloux in front of Blues net, Mailloux passes to 25 who then puts the puck on a Canes stick. Kessel was a part of 2 giveaways this shift that the announcers mentioned.
10:52-8:22, 10:10 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel on the boards who chips puck to 29 at blue line. Puck gets out but Canes have possession. 9:47 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel, Kessel flips puck outside blue line but Canes gain possession. 9:36 Hofer passes to Mailloux, Mailloux banks puck out to redline to Buch who tip the puck to center ice where the canes gain possession. 9:28 Kessel banks puck to Mailloux who chips puck out to blue line where Buch deflects puck to a Canes player just inside their blueline. 9:20 Mailloux lifts puck high towards blueline but Canes player knocks it down. 8:52 Mailloux tries to hit bouncing puck out of zone but puck is kept in. 8:49 Sunny attempts to poke puck out of zone. 8:48 Mailloux attempts to poke puck out of zone
6:49-5:44, 6:37 Mailloux pinches in and sends puck to corner. 6:04 Mailloux sends puck out of zone where 13 deflects puck in deep
3:29-3:00, Didn’t touch puck

Appreciate this. And I promise I will review all of these.

But at least to the bolded part, come on man. At the very least you have to admit that was a misplay. He completely mishandled a routine bank pass from Hofer. The way you put this makes me think you are not being objective about this. "Tries to hit a bouncing puck"?? How about, "mishandles a ten foot bank off the boards from Hofer and fails to clear". That is a much more accurate description. Your descriptions of what is happening blame everyone except LM on that shift.

Is it your position that even though 4 times the puck was with him, and all four times the Canes ended up with possession right after, none of it was his fault at all? You seem to be able to point out when Kessel was making mistakes though (which I never claimed he didn't). In any event, I will review the other ones.

Maybe you were watching a different game than I was....
That bank pass was a tough one....and even though Hofer had a shutout...He was brutal with his passing in the first period. Hofer passed it directly to a Hurricane twice in less than 2 minutes...another time he passed it to Faulk who was skating off not expecting the pass .
Things happen.
Mailloux played well last night IMO except for the obvious shot attempt he passed up. Kessel was brutal and he wasn't playing his off-side

[Bluesfan1978]

It was the shift right after the 10 minute mark. Every time it touched 23’s stick, it ended up back to Carolina. The shift where you said his backhand clear was knocked down. I wasn’t even counting that one.

He had two breakout passes prior to that. One hit Butch’s stick (89 not 29), and that one actually was on Buch on rewatch. Soft play. The next he just panic dumped out right to Carolina. Then the backhand knockdown you saw. Then he flubs a pass from Hofer and gives it right to Car.

Four times it touched 23’s stick. 4 times Carolina regained possession. Though again the first was more on Buch than I realized live.

Feel free to point out parts you saw him make a great play too. You said he played well in the first. I’d like to take a look. I’m trying to see what others are seeing that he is showing great potential.

Shift breakdown for first two periods
They did get stuck on the ice too long in the second. He still didn't make any terrible plays during these two periods. As far as the long shift if you want to be critical of him then there are 4 other players on that shift that had chances to get pucks deep.
I'm also not expecting him to be a top 4 D right now and I also realize he's probably focusing on not making a mistake. Which he didn't.
1st Period
Mailloux playing LD
17:45-16:40, Mailloux completed pass to 29 who got the puck deep.
17:19 Mailloux completed pass to 51 who got puck deep
16:54 Mailloux pinched in and completed pass to 29
16:40 Kessel lost the puck battle and Mailloux blocked a shot and puck went out of play
12:37-12:04, 12:15 Mailloux keeps puck in ozone with Chip to Schenn. Schenn skates with puck towards blueline and loses the puck. Mailloux breaks up 2 on 1
11:15-10:40, 10:47 Mailloux completes pass to Kessel, Kessel deflects puck towards Jake but the puck bounces and Canes gain possession
9:47-9:40, Didn’t touch puck
8:31-7:59, Didn’t touch puck
6:05-4:38, 5:50 poke checked puck from Jarvis, 4:42 completed pass out of zone to 54
3:00-2:20, 2:39 Chipped puck to Stenberg in Dzone who chipped puck to where Schenn was, Schenn couldn’t gain control of puck
2nd period
Logan Mailloux playing LD
18:18 Mailloux takes penalty
16:18-15:30, 15:38 Hofer sent pass out of reach of Mailloux, Canes gain possession for a SOG
12:52-11:56, 12:21 54 passes puck to Mailloux in front of Blues net, Mailloux passes to 25 who then puts the puck on a Canes stick. Kessel was a part of 2 giveaways this shift that the announcers mentioned.
10:52-8:22, 10:10 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel on the boards who chips puck to 29 at blue line. Puck gets out but Canes have possession. 9:47 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel, Kessel flips puck outside blue line but Canes gain possession. 9:36 Hofer passes to Mailloux, Mailloux banks puck out to redline to Buch who tip the puck to center ice where the canes gain possession. 9:28 Kessel banks puck to Mailloux who chips puck out to blue line where Buch deflects puck to a Canes player just inside their blueline. 9:20 Mailloux lifts puck high towards blueline but Canes player knocks it down. 8:52 Mailloux tries to hit bouncing puck out of zone but puck is kept in. 8:49 Sunny attempts to poke puck out of zone. 8:48 Mailloux attempts to poke puck out of zone
6:49-5:44, 6:37 Mailloux pinches in and sends puck to corner. 6:04 Mailloux sends puck out of zone where 13 deflects puck in deep
3:29-3:00, Didn’t touch puck

Appreciate this. And I promise I will review all of these.

But at least to the bolded part, come on man. At the very least you have to admit that was a misplay. He completely mishandled a routine bank pass from Hofer. The way you put this makes me think you are not being objective about this. "Tries to hit a bouncing puck"?? How about, "mishandles a ten foot bank off the boards from Hofer and fails to clear". That is a much more accurate description. Your descriptions of what is happening blame everyone except LM on that shift.

Is it your position that even though 4 times the puck was with him, and all four times the Canes ended up with possession right after, none of it was his fault at all? You seem to be able to point out when Kessel was making mistakes though (which I never claimed he didn't). In any event, I will review the other ones.

The puck was bouncing. What would you like me to say? On the Hofer pass that missed him he reach for it and the pass was still too far.
As far as the 4 touches if you are saying that’s on him then you need to be consistent and critique the other 7 players that were on the ice for parts of the 2.5 mins for what their role was during that time. It’s not all on Mailloux.

This thread is about Mailloux. Why would I critique other players in this thread? I never said it was all on him though. Never. Other players make mistakes. Other players also don't have practically league worst numbers. You still won't directly assign him any blame on that shift though? Why can't you just acknowledge it was a bad shift by him?

This is what I mean when I say it is ridiculous that people say I have an agenda. It is like people are going out of their way not to point out things he does wrong. He is treated with freakin muffin gloves in this forum.

What was the play he should have done? Ice it? I have no issues with what he tried to do that shift. But I’m also just hoping he doesn’t have a turnover that’s in a high danger area. Next year I’ll have higher expectations for him.

[MiamiLaw]

Kessel got more ice time so it seems the Blues coaching staff did not agree that Kessel was brutal and LM played well. If they did, playing Kessel more would be pretty dumb right? Ice time is the commodity. You can tell what the coaching staff thinks of a guy based on how many shifts/ice time he gets. I seem to have been watching the same game as the coaches. LM had the least ice time on the d last night.

Mailloux wasn't a trainwreck last night but, and the advanced stats agree with this, he was nothing at all to write home about. The penalty really hurts his advanced metrics though.

Look, the eye test matters and the stats matter. But the guy is a -21. It is clearly acceptable here for people to pile on Tucker and Kessel, both of whom have better numbers in all metrics, but if you say something about poor Logan, you have an agenda. It's bizarre to me.

[MiamiLaw]

It was the shift right after the 10 minute mark. Every time it touched 23’s stick, it ended up back to Carolina. The shift where you said his backhand clear was knocked down. I wasn’t even counting that one.

He had two breakout passes prior to that. One hit Butch’s stick (89 not 29), and that one actually was on Buch on rewatch. Soft play. The next he just panic dumped out right to Carolina. Then the backhand knockdown you saw. Then he flubs a pass from Hofer and gives it right to Car.

Four times it touched 23’s stick. 4 times Carolina regained possession. Though again the first was more on Buch than I realized live.

Feel free to point out parts you saw him make a great play too. You said he played well in the first. I’d like to take a look. I’m trying to see what others are seeing that he is showing great potential.

Shift breakdown for first two periods
They did get stuck on the ice too long in the second. He still didn't make any terrible plays during these two periods. As far as the long shift if you want to be critical of him then there are 4 other players on that shift that had chances to get pucks deep.
I'm also not expecting him to be a top 4 D right now and I also realize he's probably focusing on not making a mistake. Which he didn't.
1st Period
Mailloux playing LD
17:45-16:40, Mailloux completed pass to 29 who got the puck deep.
17:19 Mailloux completed pass to 51 who got puck deep
16:54 Mailloux pinched in and completed pass to 29
16:40 Kessel lost the puck battle and Mailloux blocked a shot and puck went out of play
12:37-12:04, 12:15 Mailloux keeps puck in ozone with Chip to Schenn. Schenn skates with puck towards blueline and loses the puck. Mailloux breaks up 2 on 1
11:15-10:40, 10:47 Mailloux completes pass to Kessel, Kessel deflects puck towards Jake but the puck bounces and Canes gain possession
9:47-9:40, Didn’t touch puck
8:31-7:59, Didn’t touch puck
6:05-4:38, 5:50 poke checked puck from Jarvis, 4:42 completed pass out of zone to 54
3:00-2:20, 2:39 Chipped puck to Stenberg in Dzone who chipped puck to where Schenn was, Schenn couldn’t gain control of puck
2nd period
Logan Mailloux playing LD
18:18 Mailloux takes penalty
16:18-15:30, 15:38 Hofer sent pass out of reach of Mailloux, Canes gain possession for a SOG
12:52-11:56, 12:21 54 passes puck to Mailloux in front of Blues net, Mailloux passes to 25 who then puts the puck on a Canes stick. Kessel was a part of 2 giveaways this shift that the announcers mentioned.
10:52-8:22, 10:10 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel on the boards who chips puck to 29 at blue line. Puck gets out but Canes have possession. 9:47 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel, Kessel flips puck outside blue line but Canes gain possession. 9:36 Hofer passes to Mailloux, Mailloux banks puck out to redline to Buch who tip the puck to center ice where the canes gain possession. 9:28 Kessel banks puck to Mailloux who chips puck out to blue line where Buch deflects puck to a Canes player just inside their blueline. 9:20 Mailloux lifts puck high towards blueline but Canes player knocks it down. 8:52 Mailloux tries to hit bouncing puck out of zone but puck is kept in. 8:49 Sunny attempts to poke puck out of zone. 8:48 Mailloux attempts to poke puck out of zone
6:49-5:44, 6:37 Mailloux pinches in and sends puck to corner. 6:04 Mailloux sends puck out of zone where 13 deflects puck in deep
3:29-3:00, Didn’t touch puck

Appreciate this. And I promise I will review all of these.

But at least to the bolded part, come on man. At the very least you have to admit that was a misplay. He completely mishandled a routine bank pass from Hofer. The way you put this makes me think you are not being objective about this. "Tries to hit a bouncing puck"?? How about, "mishandles a ten foot bank off the boards from Hofer and fails to clear". That is a much more accurate description. Your descriptions of what is happening blame everyone except LM on that shift.

Is it your position that even though 4 times the puck was with him, and all four times the Canes ended up with possession right after, none of it was his fault at all? You seem to be able to point out when Kessel was making mistakes though (which I never claimed he didn't). In any event, I will review the other ones.

The puck was bouncing. What would you like me to say? On the Hofer pass that missed him he reach for it and the pass was still too far.
As far as the 4 touches if you are saying that’s on him then you need to be consistent and critique the other 7 players that were on the ice for parts of the 2.5 mins for what their role was during that time. It’s not all on Mailloux.

This thread is about Mailloux. Why would I critique other players in this thread? I never said it was all on him though. Never. Other players make mistakes. Other players also don't have practically league worst numbers. You still won't directly assign him any blame on that shift though? Why can't you just acknowledge it was a bad shift by him?

This is what I mean when I say it is ridiculous that people say I have an agenda. It is like people are going out of their way not to point out things he does wrong. He is treated with freakin muffin gloves in this forum.

What was the play he should have done? Ice it? I have no issues with what he tried to do that shift. But I’m also just hoping he doesn’t have a turnover that’s in a high danger area. Next year I’ll have higher expectations for him.

His play and puck decisions directly led to an extended shift. He's one of 5 guys out there sure, but it isn't like he wasn't around the puck that shift. It was probably his most active shift of the game as far as the puck finding him. Just because Carolina didn't end up scoring or getting some amazing chance doesn't change that. He's an NHL player. He should be held to NHL standards. But next year yea he better make the leap or that will be it for him here.

[seattleblue]

It was the shift right after the 10 minute mark. Every time it touched 23’s stick, it ended up back to Carolina. The shift where you said his backhand clear was knocked down. I wasn’t even counting that one.

He had two breakout passes prior to that. One hit Butch’s stick (89 not 29), and that one actually was on Buch on rewatch. Soft play. The next he just panic dumped out right to Carolina. Then the backhand knockdown you saw. Then he flubs a pass from Hofer and gives it right to Car.

Four times it touched 23’s stick. 4 times Carolina regained possession. Though again the first was more on Buch than I realized live.

Feel free to point out parts you saw him make a great play too. You said he played well in the first. I’d like to take a look. I’m trying to see what others are seeing that he is showing great potential.

Shift breakdown for first two periods
They did get stuck on the ice too long in the second. He still didn't make any terrible plays during these two periods. As far as the long shift if you want to be critical of him then there are 4 other players on that shift that had chances to get pucks deep.
I'm also not expecting him to be a top 4 D right now and I also realize he's probably focusing on not making a mistake. Which he didn't.
1st Period
Mailloux playing LD
17:45-16:40, Mailloux completed pass to 29 who got the puck deep.
17:19 Mailloux completed pass to 51 who got puck deep
16:54 Mailloux pinched in and completed pass to 29
16:40 Kessel lost the puck battle and Mailloux blocked a shot and puck went out of play
12:37-12:04, 12:15 Mailloux keeps puck in ozone with Chip to Schenn. Schenn skates with puck towards blueline and loses the puck. Mailloux breaks up 2 on 1
11:15-10:40, 10:47 Mailloux completes pass to Kessel, Kessel deflects puck towards Jake but the puck bounces and Canes gain possession
9:47-9:40, Didn’t touch puck
8:31-7:59, Didn’t touch puck
6:05-4:38, 5:50 poke checked puck from Jarvis, 4:42 completed pass out of zone to 54
3:00-2:20, 2:39 Chipped puck to Stenberg in Dzone who chipped puck to where Schenn was, Schenn couldn’t gain control of puck
2nd period
Logan Mailloux playing LD
18:18 Mailloux takes penalty
16:18-15:30, 15:38 Hofer sent pass out of reach of Mailloux, Canes gain possession for a SOG
12:52-11:56, 12:21 54 passes puck to Mailloux in front of Blues net, Mailloux passes to 25 who then puts the puck on a Canes stick. Kessel was a part of 2 giveaways this shift that the announcers mentioned.
10:52-8:22, 10:10 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel on the boards who chips puck to 29 at blue line. Puck gets out but Canes have possession. 9:47 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel, Kessel flips puck outside blue line but Canes gain possession. 9:36 Hofer passes to Mailloux, Mailloux banks puck out to redline to Buch who tip the puck to center ice where the canes gain possession. 9:28 Kessel banks puck to Mailloux who chips puck out to blue line where Buch deflects puck to a Canes player just inside their blueline. 9:20 Mailloux lifts puck high towards blueline but Canes player knocks it down. 8:52 Mailloux tries to hit bouncing puck out of zone but puck is kept in. 8:49 Sunny attempts to poke puck out of zone. 8:48 Mailloux attempts to poke puck out of zone
6:49-5:44, 6:37 Mailloux pinches in and sends puck to corner. 6:04 Mailloux sends puck out of zone where 13 deflects puck in deep
3:29-3:00, Didn’t touch puck

Appreciate this. And I promise I will review all of these.

But at least to the bolded part, come on man. At the very least you have to admit that was a misplay. He completely mishandled a routine bank pass from Hofer. The way you put this makes me think you are not being objective about this. "Tries to hit a bouncing puck"?? How about, "mishandles a ten foot bank off the boards from Hofer and fails to clear". That is a much more accurate description. Your descriptions of what is happening blame everyone except LM on that shift.

Is it your position that even though 4 times the puck was with him, and all four times the Canes ended up with possession right after, none of it was his fault at all? You seem to be able to point out when Kessel was making mistakes though (which I never claimed he didn't). In any event, I will review the other ones.

The puck was bouncing. What would you like me to say? On the Hofer pass that missed him he reach for it and the pass was still too far.
As far as the 4 touches if you are saying that’s on him then you need to be consistent and critique the other 7 players that were on the ice for parts of the 2.5 mins for what their role was during that time. It’s not all on Mailloux.

His sole objective on this forum is to bash mailloux, buchnevich, and sundqvist. It's not worth trying to reason with him.

Miami is an excellent poster, You are a hypocrite and a sockpuppet coward. (bleep) inside yourself, nothing you say is important. You spend your time policing what people say against your homer desires. You're truly a worthless contributor.

[MiamiLaw]

You never mince words seattle Always appreciate your insight.

[Bluesfan1978]

All I know is Mailloux is showing improvement. Not sure who is being referenced as a coward but I can assure that doesn’t describe myself

[MiamiLaw]

It was the shift right after the 10 minute mark. Every time it touched 23’s stick, it ended up back to Carolina. The shift where you said his backhand clear was knocked down. I wasn’t even counting that one.

He had two breakout passes prior to that. One hit Butch’s stick (89 not 29), and that one actually was on Buch on rewatch. Soft play. The next he just panic dumped out right to Carolina. Then the backhand knockdown you saw. Then he flubs a pass from Hofer and gives it right to Car.

Four times it touched 23’s stick. 4 times Carolina regained possession. Though again the first was more on Buch than I realized live.

Feel free to point out parts you saw him make a great play too. You said he played well in the first. I’d like to take a look. I’m trying to see what others are seeing that he is showing great potential.

Shift breakdown for first two periods
They did get stuck on the ice too long in the second. He still didn't make any terrible plays during these two periods. As far as the long shift if you want to be critical of him then there are 4 other players on that shift that had chances to get pucks deep.
I'm also not expecting him to be a top 4 D right now and I also realize he's probably focusing on not making a mistake. Which he didn't.
1st Period
Mailloux playing LD
17:45-16:40, Mailloux completed pass to 29 who got the puck deep.
17:19 Mailloux completed pass to 51 who got puck deep
16:54 Mailloux pinched in and completed pass to 29
16:40 Kessel lost the puck battle and Mailloux blocked a shot and puck went out of play
12:37-12:04, 12:15 Mailloux keeps puck in ozone with Chip to Schenn. Schenn skates with puck towards blueline and loses the puck. Mailloux breaks up 2 on 1
11:15-10:40, 10:47 Mailloux completes pass to Kessel, Kessel deflects puck towards Jake but the puck bounces and Canes gain possession
9:47-9:40, Didn’t touch puck
8:31-7:59, Didn’t touch puck
6:05-4:38, 5:50 poke checked puck from Jarvis, 4:42 completed pass out of zone to 54
3:00-2:20, 2:39 Chipped puck to Stenberg in Dzone who chipped puck to where Schenn was, Schenn couldn’t gain control of puck
2nd period
Logan Mailloux playing LD
18:18 Mailloux takes penalty
16:18-15:30, 15:38 Hofer sent pass out of reach of Mailloux, Canes gain possession for a SOG
12:52-11:56, 12:21 54 passes puck to Mailloux in front of Blues net, Mailloux passes to 25 who then puts the puck on a Canes stick. Kessel was a part of 2 giveaways this shift that the announcers mentioned.
10:52-8:22, 10:10 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel on the boards who chips puck to 29 at blue line. Puck gets out but Canes have possession. 9:47 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel, Kessel flips puck outside blue line but Canes gain possession. 9:36 Hofer passes to Mailloux, Mailloux banks puck out to redline to Buch who tip the puck to center ice where the canes gain possession. 9:28 Kessel banks puck to Mailloux who chips puck out to blue line where Buch deflects puck to a Canes player just inside their blueline. 9:20 Mailloux lifts puck high towards blueline but Canes player knocks it down. 8:52 Mailloux tries to hit bouncing puck out of zone but puck is kept in. 8:49 Sunny attempts to poke puck out of zone. 8:48 Mailloux attempts to poke puck out of zone
6:49-5:44, 6:37 Mailloux pinches in and sends puck to corner. 6:04 Mailloux sends puck out of zone where 13 deflects puck in deep
3:29-3:00, Didn’t touch puck

Appreciate this. And I promise I will review all of these.

But at least to the bolded part, come on man. At the very least you have to admit that was a misplay. He completely mishandled a routine bank pass from Hofer. The way you put this makes me think you are not being objective about this. "Tries to hit a bouncing puck"?? How about, "mishandles a ten foot bank off the boards from Hofer and fails to clear". That is a much more accurate description. Your descriptions of what is happening blame everyone except LM on that shift.

Is it your position that even though 4 times the puck was with him, and all four times the Canes ended up with possession right after, none of it was his fault at all? You seem to be able to point out when Kessel was making mistakes though (which I never claimed he didn't). In any event, I will review the other ones.

Maybe you were watching a different game than I was....
That bank pass was a tough one....and even though Hofer had a shutout...He was brutal with his passing in the first period. Hofer passed it directly to a Hurricane twice in less than 2 minutes...another time he passed it to Faulk who was skating off not expecting the pass .
Things happen.
Mailloux played well last night IMO except for the obvious shot attempt he passed up. Kessel was brutal and he wasn't playing his off-side

I responded to you with my post above about Kessel (guess I forgot to quote) but I just have to point out what you are doing here. You make an excuse for LM and then shift to Hofer and Faulk. And then praise LM and bash Kessel. And I have the agenda?

Why do all you guys feel this inherent need to protect LM at all costs? Is it because bleeder doesn't like him so now you all have to love him? I seriously don't get it.

[Jeff Goldblum]

It was the shift right after the 10 minute mark. Every time it touched 23’s stick, it ended up back to Carolina. The shift where you said his backhand clear was knocked down. I wasn’t even counting that one.

He had two breakout passes prior to that. One hit Butch’s stick (89 not 29), and that one actually was on Buch on rewatch. Soft play. The next he just panic dumped out right to Carolina. Then the backhand knockdown you saw. Then he flubs a pass from Hofer and gives it right to Car.

Four times it touched 23’s stick. 4 times Carolina regained possession. Though again the first was more on Buch than I realized live.

Feel free to point out parts you saw him make a great play too. You said he played well in the first. I’d like to take a look. I’m trying to see what others are seeing that he is showing great potential.

Shift breakdown for first two periods
They did get stuck on the ice too long in the second. He still didn't make any terrible plays during these two periods. As far as the long shift if you want to be critical of him then there are 4 other players on that shift that had chances to get pucks deep.
I'm also not expecting him to be a top 4 D right now and I also realize he's probably focusing on not making a mistake. Which he didn't.
1st Period
Mailloux playing LD
17:45-16:40, Mailloux completed pass to 29 who got the puck deep.
17:19 Mailloux completed pass to 51 who got puck deep
16:54 Mailloux pinched in and completed pass to 29
16:40 Kessel lost the puck battle and Mailloux blocked a shot and puck went out of play
12:37-12:04, 12:15 Mailloux keeps puck in ozone with Chip to Schenn. Schenn skates with puck towards blueline and loses the puck. Mailloux breaks up 2 on 1
11:15-10:40, 10:47 Mailloux completes pass to Kessel, Kessel deflects puck towards Jake but the puck bounces and Canes gain possession
9:47-9:40, Didn’t touch puck
8:31-7:59, Didn’t touch puck
6:05-4:38, 5:50 poke checked puck from Jarvis, 4:42 completed pass out of zone to 54
3:00-2:20, 2:39 Chipped puck to Stenberg in Dzone who chipped puck to where Schenn was, Schenn couldn’t gain control of puck
2nd period
Logan Mailloux playing LD
18:18 Mailloux takes penalty
16:18-15:30, 15:38 Hofer sent pass out of reach of Mailloux, Canes gain possession for a SOG
12:52-11:56, 12:21 54 passes puck to Mailloux in front of Blues net, Mailloux passes to 25 who then puts the puck on a Canes stick. Kessel was a part of 2 giveaways this shift that the announcers mentioned.
10:52-8:22, 10:10 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel on the boards who chips puck to 29 at blue line. Puck gets out but Canes have possession. 9:47 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel, Kessel flips puck outside blue line but Canes gain possession. 9:36 Hofer passes to Mailloux, Mailloux banks puck out to redline to Buch who tip the puck to center ice where the canes gain possession. 9:28 Kessel banks puck to Mailloux who chips puck out to blue line where Buch deflects puck to a Canes player just inside their blueline. 9:20 Mailloux lifts puck high towards blueline but Canes player knocks it down. 8:52 Mailloux tries to hit bouncing puck out of zone but puck is kept in. 8:49 Sunny attempts to poke puck out of zone. 8:48 Mailloux attempts to poke puck out of zone
6:49-5:44, 6:37 Mailloux pinches in and sends puck to corner. 6:04 Mailloux sends puck out of zone where 13 deflects puck in deep
3:29-3:00, Didn’t touch puck

Appreciate this. And I promise I will review all of these.

But at least to the bolded part, come on man. At the very least you have to admit that was a misplay. He completely mishandled a routine bank pass from Hofer. The way you put this makes me think you are not being objective about this. "Tries to hit a bouncing puck"?? How about, "mishandles a ten foot bank off the boards from Hofer and fails to clear". That is a much more accurate description. Your descriptions of what is happening blame everyone except LM on that shift.

Is it your position that even though 4 times the puck was with him, and all four times the Canes ended up with possession right after, none of it was his fault at all? You seem to be able to point out when Kessel was making mistakes though (which I never claimed he didn't). In any event, I will review the other ones.

The puck was bouncing. What would you like me to say? On the Hofer pass that missed him he reach for it and the pass was still too far.
As far as the 4 touches if you are saying that’s on him then you need to be consistent and critique the other 7 players that were on the ice for parts of the 2.5 mins for what their role was during that time. It’s not all on Mailloux.

His sole objective on this forum is to bash mailloux, buchnevich, and sundqvist. It's not worth trying to reason with him.

Miami is an excellent poster, You are a hypocrite and a sockpuppet coward. (bleep) inside yourself, nothing you say is important. You spend your time policing what people say against your homer desires. You're truly a worthless contributor.

Oh the irony...

[Jeff Goldblum]

All I know is Mailloux is showing improvement. Not sure who is being referenced as a coward but I can assure that doesn’t describe myself

Hes thinks hes tough because he claims that he works out so much that he can only make his boring nonsensical rambling posts 20 times a day instead of 30.

[IsDurbanodoingtime]

Slightly OT on another D prospect in Quinton Burns who finally made his ahl debut with the Birds last night in Charlotte. Ugly 8-2 loss with Zherenko giving up 4 in first six shots faced. Burns did get into a tilt in the second period to try and fire up his team. Tough kid who I think is a real dark horse to contribute in the future. Kind of presence on the back end that is sorely needed.

[dhsux]

He did a great job on the Carolina break out 2 on 1 as the announcer said. Also a big block on a high danger shot.

Carolina was all over them I saw plenty of "failed clearings" all night from the D in general. Tucker had a lot of issues all night.

Again, the talent is there for Mailloux ....he has to find a way to unleash it. He needs the ice time to do that.

Really calling out Tucker particularly? I’m surprised. That was one of his best games this year imo. Got an assist and a +2.

As to 23, he has some physical tools. But his hockey sense is clearly poor. And that was the knock on him. Whether he puts it together, we’ll see. I hope so. He’s got size and moves well for it. That can go a long way for a d man.

Referencing some noted turnovers and missed pucks on Tucker. All in all the D played well both blue line and forwards and Hofer. Mailloux was paired with Kessel most all night as well.

Ok but if Mailloux was a +2 with an assist, I would be able to easily overlook the shift I pointed out. People keep saying I have an agenda but the stats (ie the objective things that don’t care what we all think or any so-called agenda) agree with what I’m seeing.

I’d say the people who insist Mailloux is doing all these great things have an agenda. They’re letting their Blues fan bias cloud their judgment. If he was on another team, I have a feeling many more people would be saying what I am.

We all want him to do well. And maybe he will. But he hasn’t shown a whole lot that indicates it’s particularly likely. I don’t see why everyone needs to try and pretend he has. If he does though, I’ll be thrilled

Miami ......the only agenda person here is the one who started the thread and he's just beginning believe me.

No one here is saying he's playing great either, so throw that one out.

People here are saying he has great talent and skill and size and has proven himself in the AHL and further has progressed since his first game the beginning of the year. There's some stats for you to bear that out as well.

You and I do disagree on what he has shown and I will assume what he will likely show further that's fine but he very much deserves to be right where he is and now he deserves the time it will take to bear out the results. IMO He has shown every bit the prospect of a Mikkola or Dunn or Walman, all who were torched on this site for YEARS of their development with no where near the pedigree, eh perhaps Dunn.

[Bubble4427]

It was the shift right after the 10 minute mark. Every time it touched 23’s stick, it ended up back to Carolina. The shift where you said his backhand clear was knocked down. I wasn’t even counting that one.

He had two breakout passes prior to that. One hit Butch’s stick (89 not 29), and that one actually was on Buch on rewatch. Soft play. The next he just panic dumped out right to Carolina. Then the backhand knockdown you saw. Then he flubs a pass from Hofer and gives it right to Car.

Four times it touched 23’s stick. 4 times Carolina regained possession. Though again the first was more on Buch than I realized live.

Feel free to point out parts you saw him make a great play too. You said he played well in the first. I’d like to take a look. I’m trying to see what others are seeing that he is showing great potential.

Shift breakdown for first two periods
They did get stuck on the ice too long in the second. He still didn't make any terrible plays during these two periods. As far as the long shift if you want to be critical of him then there are 4 other players on that shift that had chances to get pucks deep.
I'm also not expecting him to be a top 4 D right now and I also realize he's probably focusing on not making a mistake. Which he didn't.
1st Period
Mailloux playing LD
17:45-16:40, Mailloux completed pass to 29 who got the puck deep.
17:19 Mailloux completed pass to 51 who got puck deep
16:54 Mailloux pinched in and completed pass to 29
16:40 Kessel lost the puck battle and Mailloux blocked a shot and puck went out of play
12:37-12:04, 12:15 Mailloux keeps puck in ozone with Chip to Schenn. Schenn skates with puck towards blueline and loses the puck. Mailloux breaks up 2 on 1
11:15-10:40, 10:47 Mailloux completes pass to Kessel, Kessel deflects puck towards Jake but the puck bounces and Canes gain possession
9:47-9:40, Didn’t touch puck
8:31-7:59, Didn’t touch puck
6:05-4:38, 5:50 poke checked puck from Jarvis, 4:42 completed pass out of zone to 54
3:00-2:20, 2:39 Chipped puck to Stenberg in Dzone who chipped puck to where Schenn was, Schenn couldn’t gain control of puck
2nd period
Logan Mailloux playing LD
18:18 Mailloux takes penalty
16:18-15:30, 15:38 Hofer sent pass out of reach of Mailloux, Canes gain possession for a SOG
12:52-11:56, 12:21 54 passes puck to Mailloux in front of Blues net, Mailloux passes to 25 who then puts the puck on a Canes stick. Kessel was a part of 2 giveaways this shift that the announcers mentioned.
10:52-8:22, 10:10 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel on the boards who chips puck to 29 at blue line. Puck gets out but Canes have possession. 9:47 Mailloux chips puck to Kessel, Kessel flips puck outside blue line but Canes gain possession. 9:36 Hofer passes to Mailloux, Mailloux banks puck out to redline to Buch who tip the puck to center ice where the canes gain possession. 9:28 Kessel banks puck to Mailloux who chips puck out to blue line where Buch deflects puck to a Canes player just inside their blueline. 9:20 Mailloux lifts puck high towards blueline but Canes player knocks it down. 8:52 Mailloux tries to hit bouncing puck out of zone but puck is kept in. 8:49 Sunny attempts to poke puck out of zone. 8:48 Mailloux attempts to poke puck out of zone
6:49-5:44, 6:37 Mailloux pinches in and sends puck to corner. 6:04 Mailloux sends puck out of zone where 13 deflects puck in deep
3:29-3:00, Didn’t touch puck

Appreciate this. And I promise I will review all of these.

But at least to the bolded part, come on man. At the very least you have to admit that was a misplay. He completely mishandled a routine bank pass from Hofer. The way you put this makes me think you are not being objective about this. "Tries to hit a bouncing puck"?? How about, "mishandles a ten foot bank off the boards from Hofer and fails to clear". That is a much more accurate description. Your descriptions of what is happening blame everyone except LM on that shift.

Is it your position that even though 4 times the puck was with him, and all four times the Canes ended up with possession right after, none of it was his fault at all? You seem to be able to point out when Kessel was making mistakes though (which I never claimed he didn't). In any event, I will review the other ones.

Maybe you were watching a different game than I was....
That bank pass was a tough one....and even though Hofer had a shutout...He was brutal with his passing in the first period. Hofer passed it directly to a Hurricane twice in less than 2 minutes...another time he passed it to Faulk who was skating off not expecting the pass .
Things happen.
Mailloux played well last night IMO except for the obvious shot attempt he passed up. Kessel was brutal and he wasn't playing his off-side

I responded to you with my post above about Kessel (guess I forgot to quote) but I just have to point out what you are doing here. You make an excuse for LM and then shift to Hofer and Faulk. And then praise LM and bash Kessel. And I have the agenda?

Why do all you guys feel this inherent need to protect LM at all costs? Is it because bleeder doesn't like him so now you all have to love him? I seriously don't get it.

My first post was an honest one. I thought he played solid and I also think Kessel didn't. Mailloux played his off side which is tough to do.
I criticized his decision to pass up on a grade 'A" high danger opportunity to make a pass top someone else down low that had no angle to shoot. If you take that as me having an agenda...then that's on you.

[Bubble4427]

He did a great job on the Carolina break out 2 on 1 as the announcer said. Also a big block on a high danger shot.

Carolina was all over them I saw plenty of "failed clearings" all night from the D in general. Tucker had a lot of issues all night.

Again, the talent is there for Mailloux ....he has to find a way to unleash it. He needs the ice time to do that.

Really calling out Tucker particularly? I’m surprised. That was one of his best games this year imo. Got an assist and a +2.

As to 23, he has some physical tools. But his hockey sense is clearly poor. And that was the knock on him. Whether he puts it together, we’ll see. I hope so. He’s got size and moves well for it. That can go a long way for a d man.

Referencing some noted turnovers and missed pucks on Tucker. All in all the D played well both blue line and forwards and Hofer. Mailloux was paired with Kessel most all night as well.

Ok but if Mailloux was a +2 with an assist, I would be able to easily overlook the shift I pointed out. People keep saying I have an agenda but the stats (ie the objective things that don’t care what we all think or any so-called agenda) agree with what I’m seeing.

I’d say the people who insist Mailloux is doing all these great things have an agenda. They’re letting their Blues fan bias cloud their judgment. If he was on another team, I have a feeling many more people would be saying what I am.

We all want him to do well. And maybe he will. But he hasn’t shown a whole lot that indicates it’s particularly likely. I don’t see why everyone needs to try and pretend he has. If he does though, I’ll be thrilled

Miami ......the only agenda person here is the one who started the thread and he's just beginning believe me.

No one here is saying he's playing great either, so throw that one out.

People here are saying he has great talent and skill and size and has proven himself in the AHL and further has progressed since his first game the beginning of the year. There's some stats for you to bear that out as well.

You and I do disagree on what he has shown and I will assume what he will likely show further that's fine but he very much deserves to be right where he is and now he deserves the time it will take to bear out the results. IMO He has shown every bit the prospect of a Mikkola or Dunn or Walman, all who were torched on this site for YEARS of their development with no where near the pedigree, eh perhaps Dunn.

+1
Great post.

I still expect some ugly play from Mailloux for another year or so. If people are expecting greatness during that time...they should stop wasting their time and look somewhere else. Give the guy a break.

If Mailloux played on Carolina last night and had the same game...I would have said that I didn't notice him.
Kinda like Bryce Salvador....Never stuck out but was solid. You never really recognize an offensive guard in football if he does his job...but the minute your QB gets killed...

[MiamiLaw]

1978, dh and Bubbles - I think we've reached a natural end to the discussion. I may disagree but wanted to say that I appreciate the discussion and viewpoints. I don't have much else to add on him at this point. I think it's all been said

One thing I am sure we all agree on is that we hope he succeeds.