Jiricek on fire wow Army and co. nailed this one

[Harry S Deals]

When guys have big WJCs they often return to their junior teams and have monster performances just after. Stancl's best game was his first after the WJC last year against Prince George, 3+2.

It's about Jiricek's defense at this point, how quickly can it be consistent. He is a high event player.

After another summer of training Ive changed my opinion that when October roles around Jiricek may be a viable option to replace Faulk right away esp with a veteran LHD partner

Unless they sign another veteran RHD, Jiricek will be on the opening night roster. We don’t have anybody better at this point.

You're probably right about this, I just hope people aren't expecting Petro, who was good enough in the NHL in his D+3 that they felt comfortable trading Johnson. It will be good if he can take Brantford to the Memorial Cup

Jiricek turns 20 this June. For APs 20 year old season he got the nine game tryout didnt he and was returned? He played in 9 NHL games and was -9. The next season AP played well though. I would expect Jiricek to play in the NHL at 20 yrs old not sure if he makes the team out of camp, promoted at some point time will tell.

'07-'08 Pietrangelo at Niagara 60GP 13 40 53
'25-'26 Jiricek 28GP 13 20 33

You can see Jiricek is going blow away APs best OHL season but comparing the two is not that productive other than they are both RHD.

[BalotelliMassive]

He is proving now he was potentially a top 5 pick.

Where would you draft on this list?

1 1 San Jose Macklin Celebrini C
1 2 Chicago Artyom Levshunov D
1 3 Anaheim Beckett Sennecke R
1 4 Columbus Cayden Lindstrom C
1 5 Montreal Ivan Demidov R
1 6 Utah Tij Iginla C
1 7 Ottawa Carter Yakemchuk D
1 8 Seattle Berkly Catton C
1 9 Calgary Zayne Parekh D
1 10 New Jersey Anton Silayev D
1 11 San Jose Sam Dickinson D
1 12 Minnesota Zeev Buium D
1 13 Philadelphia Jett Luchanko C
1 14 Buffalo Konsta Helenius C
1 15 Detroit Michael Brandsegg-Nygard R

[Harry S Deals]

He is proving now he was potentially a top 5 pick.

Where would you draft on this list?

1 1 San Jose Macklin Celebrini C
1 2 Chicago Artyom Levshunov D
1 3 Anaheim Beckett Sennecke R
1 4 Columbus Cayden Lindstrom C
1 5 Montreal Ivan Demidov R
1 6 Utah Tij Iginla C
1 7 Ottawa Carter Yakemchuk D
1 8 Seattle Berkly Catton C
1 9 Calgary Zayne Parekh D
1 10 New Jersey Anton Silayev D
1 11 San Jose Sam Dickinson D
1 12 Minnesota Zeev Buium D
1 13 Philadelphia Jett Luchanko C
1 14 Buffalo Konsta Helenius C
1 15 Detroit Michael Brandsegg-Nygard R

Either #7 or #10

[callitwhatyouwant]

He is proving now he was potentially a top 5 pick.

Where would you draft on this list?

1 1 San Jose Macklin Celebrini C
1 2 Chicago Artyom Levshunov D
1 3 Anaheim Beckett Sennecke R
1 4 Columbus Cayden Lindstrom C
1 5 Montreal Ivan Demidov R
1 6 Utah Tij Iginla C
1 7 Ottawa Carter Yakemchuk D
1 8 Seattle Berkly Catton C
1 9 Calgary Zayne Parekh D
1 10 New Jersey Anton Silayev D
1 11 San Jose Sam Dickinson D
1 12 Minnesota Zeev Buium D
1 13 Philadelphia Jett Luchanko C
1 14 Buffalo Konsta Helenius C
1 15 Detroit Michael Brandsegg-Nygard R

7th is probably today where I would see a chance based off potential/what is happening. I'm a fan of Buium as well but he's showing what it's like to be a rookie in this league. People blow up LM but Buium who has 18 points is getting lit up on defense. It's just the way that goes for young guys most of the time. BUT again, I said POTENTIAL top 5 pick, not a lock. That's all going to be reevaluated 5 or so years from now when they will look at the draft and say "redraft this class, where do they fall now". And then you would have to work that development in with the knowledge the teams had going into the draft. Again, Jiricek was seen as a good skating point scoring defensemen with good length that needed to put meat on his bones and up his defense. The knee injury made him fall.

[Cahokanut]

Good news. I never know what to think about points in jrs. As about every play is someone taking it to the net and the difference between the best and worse is literally men(size,smarts,maturity) against boys (ssm)

As for the claimed dismay, about the pick.
I can't remember anyone questioning this guy's offensive talent or ability. Most here don't follow prospects and repeat what they read, with their own various independent thoughts, added.

The concerns I mostly read was the kids health and defense.
Which are both still concerns today. No one question his draft pedigree.

[BluesDom]

Good news. I never know what to think about points in jrs. As about every play is someone taking it to the net and the difference between the best and worse is literally men(size,smarts,maturity) against boys (ssm)

As for the claimed dismay, about the pick.
I can't remember anyone questioning this guy's offensive talent or ability. Most here don't follow prospects and repeat what they read, with their own various independent thoughts, added.

The concerns I mostly read was the kids health and defense.
Which are both still concerns today. No one question his draft pedigree.

His defense in the nhl? may not know his progression till he plays in the next levels ahl then nhl.
he is healthy--health not a concern as it relates to former injury imo.

[seattleblue]

When guys have big WJCs they often return to their junior teams and have monster performances just after. Stancl's best game was his first after the WJC last year against Prince George, 3+2.

It's about Jiricek's defense at this point, how quickly can it be consistent. He is a high event player.

After another summer of training Ive changed my opinion that when October roles around Jiricek may be a viable option to replace Faulk right away esp with a veteran LHD partner

Unless they sign another veteran RHD, Jiricek will be on the opening night roster. We don’t have anybody better at this point.

You're probably right about this, I just hope people aren't expecting Petro, who was good enough in the NHL in his D+3 that they felt comfortable trading Johnson. It will be good if he can take Brantford to the Memorial Cup

Jiricek turns 20 this June. For APs 20 year old season he got the nine game tryout didnt he and was returned? He played in 9 NHL games and was -9. The next season AP played well though. I would expect Jiricek to play in the NHL at 20 yrs old not sure if he makes the team out of camp, promoted at some point time will tell.

'07-'08 Pietrangelo at Niagara 60GP 13 40 53
'25-'26 Jiricek 28GP 13 20 33

You can see Jiricek is going blow away APs best OHL season but comparing the two is not that productive other than they are both RHD.

Pietrangelo played 8/9 games in each of his D+1 and D+2 and was a full time NHL defenseman in D+3 and midway through that year he was clearly going to be a #1 defenseman. Matching Petro would mean starting next putting up 11 goals, 32 assists in 79 games and taking over the D corps. Different play styles on defense. This current year is Jiricek's D+2, he is well behind that schedule.

[theograce]

When guys have big WJCs they often return to their junior teams and have monster performances just after. Stancl's best game was his first after the WJC last year against Prince George, 3+2.

It's about Jiricek's defense at this point, how quickly can it be consistent. He is a high event player.

After another summer of training Ive changed my opinion that when October roles around Jiricek may be a viable option to replace Faulk right away esp with a veteran LHD partner

Unless they sign another veteran RHD, Jiricek will be on the opening night roster. We don’t have anybody better at this point.

You're probably right about this, I just hope people aren't expecting Petro, who was good enough in the NHL in his D+3 that they felt comfortable trading Johnson. It will be good if he can take Brantford to the Memorial Cup

Jiricek turns 20 this June. For APs 20 year old season he got the nine game tryout didnt he and was returned? He played in 9 NHL games and was -9. The next season AP played well though. I would expect Jiricek to play in the NHL at 20 yrs old not sure if he makes the team out of camp, promoted at some point time will tell.

'07-'08 Pietrangelo at Niagara 60GP 13 40 53
'25-'26 Jiricek 28GP 13 20 33

You can see Jiricek is going blow away APs best OHL season but comparing the two is not that productive other than they are both RHD.

Pietrangelo played 8/9 games in each of his D+1 and D+2 and was a full time NHL defenseman in D+3 and midway through that year he was clearly going to be a #1 defenseman. Matching Petro would mean starting next putting up 11 goals, 32 assists in 79 games and taking over the D corps. Different play styles on defense. This current year is Jiricek's D+2, he is well behind that schedule.

Quite a few different rules and generally lower scoring in 2010 as well

[Harry S Deals]

When guys have big WJCs they often return to their junior teams and have monster performances just after. Stancl's best game was his first after the WJC last year against Prince George, 3+2.

It's about Jiricek's defense at this point, how quickly can it be consistent. He is a high event player.

After another summer of training Ive changed my opinion that when October roles around Jiricek may be a viable option to replace Faulk right away esp with a veteran LHD partner

Unless they sign another veteran RHD, Jiricek will be on the opening night roster. We don’t have anybody better at this point.

You're probably right about this, I just hope people aren't expecting Petro, who was good enough in the NHL in his D+3 that they felt comfortable trading Johnson. It will be good if he can take Brantford to the Memorial Cup

Jiricek turns 20 this June. For APs 20 year old season he got the nine game tryout didnt he and was returned? He played in 9 NHL games and was -9. The next season AP played well though. I would expect Jiricek to play in the NHL at 20 yrs old not sure if he makes the team out of camp, promoted at some point time will tell.

'07-'08 Pietrangelo at Niagara 60GP 13 40 53
'25-'26 Jiricek 28GP 13 20 33

You can see Jiricek is going blow away APs best OHL season but comparing the two is not that productive other than they are both RHD.

Pietrangelo played 8/9 games in each of his D+1 and D+2 and was a full time NHL defenseman in D+3 and midway through that year he was clearly going to be a #1 defenseman. Matching Petro would mean starting next putting up 11 goals, 32 assists in 79 games and taking over the D corps. Different play styles on defense. This current year is Jiricek's D+2, he is well behind that schedule.

Its not quite that simple when comparing a Euro kid to a North American draftee. AP played almost 4 years in the OHL, Jiricek has played two years in the OHL and parts of two years with HC Plzen. The useful comparison is what they would do at the same age. Jiricek could have very easily played his 9 game trial in the NHL. So ultimately if you are going to try to compare the two RHD it would be what does Jiricek do at age 21 which is still two years off.

[seattleblue]

When guys have big WJCs they often return to their junior teams and have monster performances just after. Stancl's best game was his first after the WJC last year against Prince George, 3+2.

It's about Jiricek's defense at this point, how quickly can it be consistent. He is a high event player.

After another summer of training Ive changed my opinion that when October roles around Jiricek may be a viable option to replace Faulk right away esp with a veteran LHD partner

Unless they sign another veteran RHD, Jiricek will be on the opening night roster. We don’t have anybody better at this point.

You're probably right about this, I just hope people aren't expecting Petro, who was good enough in the NHL in his D+3 that they felt comfortable trading Johnson. It will be good if he can take Brantford to the Memorial Cup

Jiricek turns 20 this June. For APs 20 year old season he got the nine game tryout didnt he and was returned? He played in 9 NHL games and was -9. The next season AP played well though. I would expect Jiricek to play in the NHL at 20 yrs old not sure if he makes the team out of camp, promoted at some point time will tell.

'07-'08 Pietrangelo at Niagara 60GP 13 40 53
'25-'26 Jiricek 28GP 13 20 33

You can see Jiricek is going blow away APs best OHL season but comparing the two is not that productive other than they are both RHD.

Pietrangelo played 8/9 games in each of his D+1 and D+2 and was a full time NHL defenseman in D+3 and midway through that year he was clearly going to be a #1 defenseman. Matching Petro would mean starting next putting up 11 goals, 32 assists in 79 games and taking over the D corps. Different play styles on defense. This current year is Jiricek's D+2, he is well behind that schedule.

Its not quite that simple when comparing a Euro kid to a North American draftee. AP played almost 4 years in the OHL, Jiricek has played two years in the OHL and parts of two years with HC Plzen. The useful comparison is what they would do at the same age. Jiricek could have very easily played his 9 game trial in the NHL. So ultimately if you are going to try to compare the two RHD it would be what does Jiricek do at age 21 which is still two years off.

Harry, you literally compared them and I pointed out that Petro was way ahead of Jiricek by this point in their same development. They were. It's ok for that to be true.

I don't know what you are saying about their years but yes Petro had already had 17 NHL games by this same point in development and Jiricek would need to be an obvious #1 defenseman out of the gate starting next year to be the same.

[The Average Gatsby]

I’m really encouraged about Jiricek’s progression this year, but we need to pump the brakes on comparing him to Petro. That’s just setting yourself up for disappointment. I would also be concerned about penciling Jiricek, Mailloux and maybe even Lindstein into the lineup next season. You won’t be able to shelter half your D if they’re struggling.

[DawgDad]

When guys have big WJCs they often return to their junior teams and have monster performances just after. Stancl's best game was his first after the WJC last year against Prince George, 3+2.

It's about Jiricek's defense at this point, how quickly can it be consistent. He is a high event player.

After another summer of training Ive changed my opinion that when October roles around Jiricek may be a viable option to replace Faulk right away esp with a veteran LHD partner

Unless they sign another veteran RHD, Jiricek will be on the opening night roster. We don’t have anybody better at this point.

You're probably right about this, I just hope people aren't expecting Petro, who was good enough in the NHL in his D+3 that they felt comfortable trading Johnson. It will be good if he can take Brantford to the Memorial Cup

Jiricek turns 20 this June. For APs 20 year old season he got the nine game tryout didnt he and was returned? He played in 9 NHL games and was -9. The next season AP played well though. I would expect Jiricek to play in the NHL at 20 yrs old not sure if he makes the team out of camp, promoted at some point time will tell.

'07-'08 Pietrangelo at Niagara 60GP 13 40 53
'25-'26 Jiricek 28GP 13 20 33

You can see Jiricek is going blow away APs best OHL season but comparing the two is not that productive other than they are both RHD.

Pietrangelo played 8/9 games in each of his D+1 and D+2 and was a full time NHL defenseman in D+3 and midway through that year he was clearly going to be a #1 defenseman. Matching Petro would mean starting next putting up 11 goals, 32 assists in 79 games and taking over the D corps. Different play styles on defense. This current year is Jiricek's D+2, he is well behind that schedule.

Its not quite that simple when comparing a Euro kid to a North American draftee. AP played almost 4 years in the OHL, Jiricek has played two years in the OHL and parts of two years with HC Plzen. The useful comparison is what they would do at the same age. Jiricek could have very easily played his 9 game trial in the NHL. So ultimately if you are going to try to compare the two RHD it would be what does Jiricek do at age 21 which is still two years off.

Harry, you literally compared them and I pointed out that Petro was way ahead of Jiricek by this point in their same development. They were. It's ok for that to be true.

I don't know what you are saying about their years but yes Petro had already had 17 NHL games by this same point in development and Jiricek would need to be an obvious #1 defenseman out of the gate starting next year to be the same.

The logic is a bit faulty, but so what? The only thing that's relevant henceforth is what becomes of Jiricek. Comparisons to AP are a yardstick but they mean nothing on the ice and as noted the development paths are quite different.

Let's see what happens the rest of this season and in camp. I do think there is merit in the up-down-up path for many players but where he lands out of the gate is dependent on him. I suspect he'll benefit from some pro games to acclimate before he gets thrown to the wolves. [Not sure which wolves are worse, the Mark Stones or this board.]

[theograce]

I’m really encouraged about Jiricek’s progression this year, but we need to pump the brakes on comparing him to Petro. That’s just setting yourself up for disappointment. I would also be concerned about penciling Jiricek, Mailloux and maybe even Lindstein into the lineup next season. You won’t be able to shelter half your D if they’re struggling.

It’s like people forget how good Pietrangelo was defensively and how good of a leader he was. Pietrangelo had the best defensive stick in franchise history and his outlet pass was as good as anyone’s.

[somni]

Personally, I hate comparisons. It's not fair to the player, especially this early in his career. Just like the stupid "baby Parayko" stuff.

We should be encouraged by Jiricek's progression. I really like his style of play from what I've seen and he brings what the Blues are lacking. I hope he continues to develop and we see him don the Bluesnote soon.

[callitwhatyouwant]

I’m really encouraged about Jiricek’s progression this year, but we need to pump the brakes on comparing him to Petro. That’s just setting yourself up for disappointment. I would also be concerned about penciling Jiricek, Mailloux and maybe even Lindstein into the lineup next season. You won’t be able to shelter half your D if they’re struggling.

I'm trying to slow people's rolls on this as well. There's no way you can go into a season with Jiricek, Mailloux, and Lindstein and see a development year of hockey. I hate using this line because people get defensive but if you played high level sports with a team, you understand that you need functional people around you to be able to develop. You can't be a rookie with a ton of potential and have people around you who aren't playing the game the right way. Fans think that growth is linear and it is definitely going to happen so if you throw all the young kids in the fire, they will all get better and magically in 5 years you have something. There is nuance to it and you have to give the guys who are going to make mistakes people around them that aren't making the same bonehead mistakes because they know better. They might not be better players, heck they might be washed up JAG's, but you have to have those guys to allow talent to develop. There is the argument that blocking the player's with JAG's isn't beneficial as well so I get it.

Anyways, where this team has REAL potential to grow is in their young forward group. Their defensive contract situation is set up perfectly for each one of those guys to get their shot in a real environment that will be beneficial for them. To me, you have to go into next season with Parayko, Broberg, Faulk, Fowler just so that you do have a chance of developing LM and hopefully Lindstein gets the call up. Then when Faulk's contract is expiring next year, you get to take a real look at where we are, and decide if it's time to elevate Jiricek in that spot, or if we have to pivot. Heck, if LM is not playing well by the end of next year, Jiricek might be looking at that spot and LM be looking at the 6/7 role and moving on. It's way too soon to move on from our defense given the youth of our forward group.

My biggest fear for this team is that we gut the spot of strength which is our top 4 defensemen, and we just get absolutely crushed because our forwards haven't been given the runway to figure out how to score. Right now, we need to learn to score. Period.

[DawgDad]

I’m really encouraged about Jiricek’s progression this year, but we need to pump the brakes on comparing him to Petro. That’s just setting yourself up for disappointment. I would also be concerned about penciling Jiricek, Mailloux and maybe even Lindstein into the lineup next season. You won’t be able to shelter half your D if they’re struggling.

I'm trying to slow people's rolls on this as well. There's no way you can go into a season with Jiricek, Mailloux, and Lindstein and see a development year of hockey. I hate using this line because people get defensive but if you played high level sports with a team, you understand that you need functional people around you to be able to develop. You can't be a rookie with a ton of potential and have people around you who aren't playing the game the right way. Fans think that growth is linear and it is definitely going to happen so if you throw all the young kids in the fire, they will all get better and magically in 5 years you have something. There is nuance to it and you have to give the guys who are going to make mistakes people around them that aren't making the same bonehead mistakes because they know better. They might not be better players, heck they might be washed up JAG's, but you have to have those guys to allow talent to develop. There is the argument that blocking the player's with JAG's isn't beneficial as well so I get it.

Anyways, where this team has REAL potential to grow is in their young forward group. Their defensive contract situation is set up perfectly for each one of those guys to get their shot in a real environment that will be beneficial for them. To me, you have to go into next season with Parayko, Broberg, Faulk, Fowler just so that you do have a chance of developing LM and hopefully Lindstein gets the call up. Then when Faulk's contract is expiring next year, you get to take a real look at where we are, and decide if it's time to elevate Jiricek in that spot, or if we have to pivot. Heck, if LM is not playing well by the end of next year, Jiricek might be looking at that spot and LM be looking at the 6/7 role and moving on. It's way too soon to move on from our defense given the youth of our forward group.

My biggest fear for this team is that we gut the spot of strength which is our top 4 defensemen, and we just get absolutely crushed because our forwards haven't been given the runway to figure out how to score. Right now, we need to learn to score. Period.

That's where I'm at. There is no push to trade Faulk until next year's deadline. If some team makes an offer they can't refuse ok.