Jordan Binnington

[BluesDom]

It seems that radio personalities and most fans dont want to talk about the elephant in the room.
Binner is not seeing or tracking the puck well and is giving up goals that should be saves.

Do you think the Blues keep running him out there or is a change of scenery in the cards?
Is he tradeable or untradeable?

He deserves respect for the cup and some great years. His play over the last couple years has been off and on. And his overall recent #'s are horrible.
I personally want to talk about this. Instead of placing any blame on Binner, many if not most seem to say its the team. (Which is partially true--but fails to acknowledge Hofers success or Binners awful stats/previous mediocre stats) What are the forums thoughts. (with respect of course)

[TruBlueFan_1970]

It seems that radio personalities and most fans dont want to talk about the elephant in the room.
Binner is not seeing or tracking the puck well and is giving up goals that should be saves.

Do you think the Blues keep running him out there or is a change of scenery in the cards?
Is he tradeable or untradeable?

He deserves respect for the cup and some great years. His play over the last couple years has been off and on. And his overall recent #'s are horrible.
I personally want to talk about this. What are the forums thoughts. (with respect of course)

A team like the Oilers would take him in a heartbeat. The return would be nothing more than a 2nd and a B prospect though probably. Not sure he holds much value across the league right now.

[theograce]

His lateral movement has been really bad … one thing I’m picking up on

[TruBlueFan_1970]

His lateral movement has been really bad … one thing I’m picking up on

Agree. He seems to be on a slip and slide.

[AtillaTheBlue1]

It seems that radio personalities and most fans dont want to talk about the elephant in the room.
Binner is not seeing or tracking the puck well and is giving up goals that should be saves.

Do you think the Blues keep running him out there or is a change of scenery in the cards?
Is he tradeable or untradeable?

He deserves respect for the cup and some great years. His play over the last couple years has been off and on. And his overall recent #'s are horrible.
I personally want to talk about this. What are the forums thoughts. (with respect of course)

A team like the Oilers would take him in a heartbeat. The return would be nothing more than a 2nd and a B prospect though probably. Not sure he holds much value across the league right now.

would be nice if skinner was only on a 1 year deal. would match $$, closely, and u get more return.

[zamadoo]

I like the idea of keeping the legend here after decades of a rotating door.

In my lifetime, we've had maybe one other goalie of his caliber. His injury may have cost us a series, but certainly resulted in a scarring memory in 1996 when his backup wasn't ready for a shot from the blue line.

I look at a guy like Tim Thomas - didn't even play in the NHL until he was 28, all of his glory in his mid-30s. Able to lock in like no other, making phenomenal saves whenever needed. Odd/intense personality.

Binner showed last year how he can turn it on, helping Canada win. If he does it again this year in the Olympics, it just proves that what you really need is a guy who can rise to the occasion, much more so than just some solid goalie.

This team is missing Attitude. '19 team had it in spades.

IMO, you don't move the Ace of Spades (the only card you need).

[BluesDom]

I like the idea of keeping the legend here after decades of a rotating door.

In my lifetime, we've had maybe one other goalie of his caliber. His injury may have cost us a series, but certainly resulted in a scarring memory in 1996 when his backup wasn't ready for a shot from the blue line.

I look at a guy like Tim Thomas - didn't even play in the NHL until he was 28, all of his glory in his mid-30s. Able to lock in like no other, making phenomenal saves whenever needed. Odd/intense personality.

Binner showed last year how he can turn it on, helping Canada win. If he does it again this year in the Olympics, it just proves that what you really need is a guy who can rise to the occasion, much more so than just some solid goalie.

This team is missing Attitude. '19 team had it in spades.

IMO, you don't move the Ace of Spades (the only card you need).

IMO==We cant make the playoffs to let him win the big one. He is giving up almost 5 a game in the last 45 days or so.
I guess you let Joel play 2 or 3 in a row--Jordan 1.
Then Jordan takes over in playoffs? Keep doing this till contracts up?

[Kilokaai]

I would agree I think it is time to find an partner if possible, need to hope he plays well at the Olympics and pumps up his trade value some. I have been on the "critical of Binnington" group for a long time and with the exception of the cup run and the games leading up to the playoffs vs. the Avs he really has been JAG with flare for the most part.

Pro sports are results driven and I think we have seen his best games, mentally it seems like he's in a funk as well. He just seems a little behind the play too often or misreading almost every redirection. With the exception of the game in Montreal, I can't recall any other games this season where he stole a game or looked like that.

Fun image that I saw on Reddit that summarizes this up nicely in my eyes:



(no I am not saying the defense is been good, but Binnington has been putrid at times this season)

[hotrivets]

Unless he has some kind of a physical change- like vision- that can't be corrected he is still capable of stealing games. Why he doesn't do it more often in the last couple of years? Team should know- they are in the room and in practices and get all of his test results. Team allows way too many high danger shots but he also lets in some he should have- does he just give up now?

[zamadoo]

I like the idea of keeping the legend here after decades of a rotating door.

In my lifetime, we've had maybe one other goalie of his caliber. His injury may have cost us a series, but certainly resulted in a scarring memory in 1996 when his backup wasn't ready for a shot from the blue line.

I look at a guy like Tim Thomas - didn't even play in the NHL until he was 28, all of his glory in his mid-30s. Able to lock in like no other, making phenomenal saves whenever needed. Odd/intense personality.

Binner showed last year how he can turn it on, helping Canada win. If he does it again this year in the Olympics, it just proves that what you really need is a guy who can rise to the occasion, much more so than just some solid goalie.

This team is missing Attitude. '19 team had it in spades.

IMO, you don't move the Ace of Spades (the only card you need).

We cant make the playoffs to let him win th ebig one. He is giving up almost 5 a game in the last 45 days or so,

It was the same story last year at this time. Then we made history and lost in a double OT game 7. Heck, it was the same story in January 2019.

I'm saying you keep the Ace up your sleeve until the time is right. Hofer can be #1 for a while.

If he's truly finished and/or he wants out to play for a better team without all the pussilaminous whiny brats, then sure, I can understand. But Army's intentions seem to be that we are past the re-whatever and looking to win. Yes, changes need to be made for winning to happen, but I don't think trading Binner does that.

Then there's next year.

[Kilokaai]

I like the idea of keeping the legend here after decades of a rotating door.

In my lifetime, we've had maybe one other goalie of his caliber. His injury may have cost us a series, but certainly resulted in a scarring memory in 1996 when his backup wasn't ready for a shot from the blue line.

I look at a guy like Tim Thomas - didn't even play in the NHL until he was 28, all of his glory in his mid-30s. Able to lock in like no other, making phenomenal saves whenever needed. Odd/intense personality.

Binner showed last year how he can turn it on, helping Canada win. If he does it again this year in the Olympics, it just proves that what you really need is a guy who can rise to the occasion, much more so than just some solid goalie.

This team is missing Attitude. '19 team had it in spades.

IMO, you don't move the Ace of Spades (the only card you need).

We cant make the playoffs to let him win th ebig one. He is giving up almost 5 a game in the last 45 days or so,

It was the same story last year at this time. Then we made history and lost in a double OT game 7. Heck, it was the same story in January 2019.

I'm saying you keep the Ace up your sleeve until the time is right. Hofer can be #1 for a while.

If he's truly finished and/or he wants out to play for a better team without all the pussilaminous whiny brats, then sure, I can understand. But Army's intentions seem to be that we are past the re-whatever and looking to win. Yes, changes need to be made for winning to happen, but I don't think trading Binner does that.

Then there's next year.

It's worth mentioning that you are referencing games from 7 years ago, and a total of ~10 games in 2022, and 7 games last season. The regular season is a much bigger chunk of the time where he has been pretty average at best in that same 7 years stretch. Irrespective of how good or bad the team was playing for the most part.

[BluesDom]

I was sad for Binner last game and many others. The commentators flat out said he probably should have had that one on so many. There was one in Chicago that appeared he had a clean look and just got beat or didnt react.
He can get up for the biggest game yet fail to win consistently over the stretch. Hes fascinating honestly.

[skilles]

I personally think goal tending has been the Blues biggest issue on the ice all season. Followed by bringing in Mailloux but not providing him with a solid veteran partner.

[zamadoo]

I like the idea of keeping the legend here after decades of a rotating door.

In my lifetime, we've had maybe one other goalie of his caliber. His injury may have cost us a series, but certainly resulted in a scarring memory in 1996 when his backup wasn't ready for a shot from the blue line.

I look at a guy like Tim Thomas - didn't even play in the NHL until he was 28, all of his glory in his mid-30s. Able to lock in like no other, making phenomenal saves whenever needed. Odd/intense personality.

Binner showed last year how he can turn it on, helping Canada win. If he does it again this year in the Olympics, it just proves that what you really need is a guy who can rise to the occasion, much more so than just some solid goalie.

This team is missing Attitude. '19 team had it in spades.

IMO, you don't move the Ace of Spades (the only card you need).

We cant make the playoffs to let him win th ebig one. He is giving up almost 5 a game in the last 45 days or so,

It was the same story last year at this time. Then we made history and lost in a double OT game 7. Heck, it was the same story in January 2019.

I'm saying you keep the Ace up your sleeve until the time is right. Hofer can be #1 for a while.

If he's truly finished and/or he wants out to play for a better team without all the pussilaminous whiny brats, then sure, I can understand. But Army's intentions seem to be that we are past the re-whatever and looking to win. Yes, changes need to be made for winning to happen, but I don't think trading Binner does that.

Then there's next year.

It's worth mentioning that you are referencing games from 7 years ago, and a total of ~10 games in 2022, and 7 games last season. The regular season is a much bigger chunk of the time where he has been pretty average at best in that same 7 years stretch. Irrespective of how good or bad the team was playing for the most part.

Agreed, that is an important frame from which to view. We could add the several good stretches and stolen games throughout the regular seasons, and it would still be revealing. Another point that perhaps I didn't clearly make is that he's a 2nd half of the season goalie. His career stats show that.

Historically mediocre start, terrible December/January, good to excellent from February on. Last season he was outstanding returning from his excellent performance on the world stage, which should be counted into the mix.

23-24 season he was good/great other than December when he was horrible. 22-23 was just bad overall.

This season he has made 93.8% of the saves with a 1.75 GAA in his 8 wins. .799 SV% / 5.58 in losses!

[casher]

I like the idea of keeping the legend here after decades of a rotating door.

In my lifetime, we've had maybe one other goalie of his caliber. His injury may have cost us a series, but certainly resulted in a scarring memory in 1996 when his backup wasn't ready for a shot from the blue line.

I look at a guy like Tim Thomas - didn't even play in the NHL until he was 28, all of his glory in his mid-30s. Able to lock in like no other, making phenomenal saves whenever needed. Odd/intense personality.

Binner showed last year how he can turn it on, helping Canada win. If he does it again this year in the Olympics, it just proves that what you really need is a guy who can rise to the occasion, much more so than just some solid goalie.

This team is missing Attitude. '19 team had it in spades.

IMO, you don't move the Ace of Spades (the only card you need).

We cant make the playoffs to let him win th ebig one. He is giving up almost 5 a game in the last 45 days or so,

It was the same story last year at this time. Then we made history and lost in a double OT game 7. Heck, it was the same story in January 2019.

I'm saying you keep the Ace up your sleeve until the time is right. Hofer can be #1 for a while.

If he's truly finished and/or he wants out to play for a better team without all the pussilaminous whiny brats, then sure, I can understand. But Army's intentions seem to be that we are past the re-whatever and looking to win. Yes, changes need to be made for winning to happen, but I don't think trading Binner does that.

Then there's next year.

It's worth mentioning that you are referencing games from 7 years ago, and a total of ~10 games in 2022, and 7 games last season. The regular season is a much bigger chunk of the time where he has been pretty average at best in that same 7 years stretch. Irrespective of how good or bad the team was playing for the most part.

Its still a fact that Binnington has ice in his blood when it matters. Look at a guy like hellebuck. Great regular seasons and then folds when it matters.

[Bluesfan1978]

Biggest issue this year has been the goaltending
2nd biggest issue is they lost the play off the 4th line to set the tone for games. Sunny looks terrible. Last year the 4th line took some of the pressure of the highest paid players to lead the team and change momentum of games.
3rd D pair hasn’t been great including Fowler.
Parayko zero goals.