Ot: The difference of the NFL and MLB.

[JuanAgosto]

NFL coaches have a much bigger impact on games/seasons than MLB managers do.

+ 1 million
But, even with revenue sharing, the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Houston Texans have never even been to a Super Bowl. The Cardinals, Chargers, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Bengals, Bills, and Vikings have also never won a Super Bowl.

And lets face it, the NFL product is just not very good. Parity isn't good if you like watching the best of the best.

Completely disagree about this. NFL product is excellent.

Exactly. The salary cap keeps teams like the Cowboys from stacking unbeatable rosters. The NFL does not have a Dodgers situation. Sure, teams like KC (and New England before them), have created dynasties. But that was through smart drafting, great coaching, and really good core players. Those rosters were not bought.

Jerry Jones is just as cheap as MLB owners, he would never be the Dodgers. KC and NE have/had all time great QBs but haven't been any better than anyone else at drafting. Don't fear greatness.

So drafting Brady, Gronk, Mahomes, Kelce, Jones, and Hill isn't great drafting? And the 1990s NFL begs to differ regarding Jerry's spending.

[renostl]

NFL coaches have a much bigger impact on games/seasons than MLB managers do.

+ 1 million
But, even with revenue sharing, the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Houston Texans have never even been to a Super Bowl. The Cardinals, Chargers, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Bengals, Bills, and Vikings have also never won a Super Bowl.

And lets face it, the NFL product is just not very good. Parity isn't good if you like watching the best of the best.

Completely disagree about this. NFL product is excellent.

I agree and frankly much better than MLB. I love both sports but to say the NFL product is not good does not make sense to me.

MLB owners want to go the direction of NFL and completely water down their product, already doing it with soft collusion. They don't have the gambling and fantasy draw to make up for the bad product on the field though.

The NFL was built on gambling and TV.
It's a better product on TV than in person. The bigger the better, kind of.
I'll agree it is becoming, or better, has become a less product in a rapid time frame. Doesn't matter much right now because it
still appeals to the masses. The best plays often get called back due to insignificant penalties. The 3rd
most influential person on the field behind QB and head coach are the referees and they sometimes take the #1 spot.

The watering down of the product though, can be challenged some. Baseball is drastically different than football.
Dominate record in the NFL this season was 82%, pretty standard, the number suggest the lack of parity.
Baseball was 59%. Offensive success is 30%. The W% creates a level of parity throughout a season. Even 2
out of 3 isn't guaranteed and is considered successful, dominant if done consistently.
Teams feed us minimum wage players as the next hope while
a better player may not be given a contract. We buy it, I buy into it. This is partially due to a lack of salary structure in the
game. That point can be debated. But less skilled players do have a watering down of the product effect.
There are millions of discussions here and at the watercoolers about value of players that will sometimes trump the discussion
of production players. Those are far less frequent in the NFL where QB's, WR's, Superbowl chances, HC's, point spreads and fantasy
points are discussed.

[dugoutrex]

NFL coaches have a much bigger impact on games/seasons than MLB managers do.

I agree to an extent but the quarterback in football is equivalent to the pitcher in baseball. The difference is the quarterback plays the entire game every game. Tom Brady past him prime by several years left New England and won a super bowl. That wasn't the coach. In 50 years of NFL football in St Louis they had a total of 0 playoff wins without Mike Martz on the staff. They were lousy. Hired Martz and went to 2 super bowls. Fired Martz and never had another winning season.

The lack of a payroll cap today is the elephant in the room. Dallas stopped being a power in the NFL when they enacted a payroll cap. The same thing would happen to the Dodgers if MLB had a payroll cap and then the manager would have a much bigger impact. See Whitey Herzog in an era prior to the big disparity in revenue.

Martz was the worst head coach in football - pretty good OC though

LOL - He only got the Rams to the super bowl.

and Matheny got the Cards to a WS - did you have a point you were trying to make?

[Stlcardsblues]

NFL coaches have a much bigger impact on games/seasons than MLB managers do.

+ 1 million
But, even with revenue sharing, the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Houston Texans have never even been to a Super Bowl. The Cardinals, Chargers, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Bengals, Bills, and Vikings have also never won a Super Bowl.

And lets face it, the NFL product is just not very good. Parity isn't good if you like watching the best of the best.

Completely disagree about this. NFL product is excellent.

Exactly. The salary cap keeps teams like the Cowboys from stacking unbeatable rosters. The NFL does not have a Dodgers situation. Sure, teams like KC (and New England before them), have created dynasties. But that was through smart drafting, great coaching, and really good core players. Those rosters were not bought.

Jerry Jones is just as cheap as MLB owners, he would never be the Dodgers. KC and NE have/had all time great QBs but haven't been any better than anyone else at drafting. Don't fear greatness.

As a lifelong Cowboys fan, Jones can be called a lot of things, but cheap isn’t one of them. Without a cap he would load up on talent.

[alw80]

NFL coaches have a much bigger impact on games/seasons than MLB managers do.

+ 1 million
But, even with revenue sharing, the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Houston Texans have never even been to a Super Bowl. The Cardinals, Chargers, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Bengals, Bills, and Vikings have also never won a Super Bowl.

And lets face it, the NFL product is just not very good. Parity isn't good if you like watching the best of the best.

Completely disagree about this. NFL product is excellent.

Exactly. The salary cap keeps teams like the Cowboys from stacking unbeatable rosters. The NFL does not have a Dodgers situation. Sure, teams like KC (and New England before them), have created dynasties. But that was through smart drafting, great coaching, and really good core players. Those rosters were not bought.

Jerry Jones is just as cheap as MLB owners, he would never be the Dodgers. KC and NE have/had all time great QBs but haven't been any better than anyone else at drafting. Don't fear greatness.

So drafting Brady, Gronk, Mahomes, Kelce, Jones, and Hill isn't great drafting?

Brady was literally the last pick of the draft. They had no clue what they had there, which is kind of the point here that drafting is hard theres a lot of luck involved.

[alw80]

NFL coaches have a much bigger impact on games/seasons than MLB managers do.

+ 1 million
But, even with revenue sharing, the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Houston Texans have never even been to a Super Bowl. The Cardinals, Chargers, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Bengals, Bills, and Vikings have also never won a Super Bowl.

And lets face it, the NFL product is just not very good. Parity isn't good if you like watching the best of the best.

Completely disagree about this. NFL product is excellent.

Exactly. The salary cap keeps teams like the Cowboys from stacking unbeatable rosters. The NFL does not have a Dodgers situation. Sure, teams like KC (and New England before them), have created dynasties. But that was through smart drafting, great coaching, and really good core players. Those rosters were not bought.

Jerry Jones is just as cheap as MLB owners, he would never be the Dodgers. KC and NE have/had all time great QBs but haven't been any better than anyone else at drafting. Don't fear greatness.

As a lifelong Cowboys fan, Jones can be called a lot of things, but cheap isn’t one of them. Without a cap he would load up on talent.

The last thing JJ wants to do at this point is spend a dime more than he absolutely has to. Look at how long hes hung onto bad HCs as one example. His greatest feat is making people believe hes some kind of big spender. Hes just not.

[An Old Friend]

How many NLF coaches have been canned and the season just finished?

6.

Weren’t there 6 MLB managers canned in 2025?

[JuanAgosto]

NFL coaches have a much bigger impact on games/seasons than MLB managers do.

+ 1 million
But, even with revenue sharing, the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Houston Texans have never even been to a Super Bowl. The Cardinals, Chargers, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Bengals, Bills, and Vikings have also never won a Super Bowl.

And lets face it, the NFL product is just not very good. Parity isn't good if you like watching the best of the best.

Completely disagree about this. NFL product is excellent.

Exactly. The salary cap keeps teams like the Cowboys from stacking unbeatable rosters. The NFL does not have a Dodgers situation. Sure, teams like KC (and New England before them), have created dynasties. But that was through smart drafting, great coaching, and really good core players. Those rosters were not bought.

Jerry Jones is just as cheap as MLB owners, he would never be the Dodgers. KC and NE have/had all time great QBs but haven't been any better than anyone else at drafting. Don't fear greatness.

So drafting Brady, Gronk, Mahomes, Kelce, Jones, and Hill isn't great drafting?

Brady was literally the last pick of the draft. They had no clue what they had there, which is kind of the point here that drafting is hard theres a lot of luck involved.

New England had a franchise QB and weren't looking for a starter. Otherwise, they may have taken Brady earlier. But, they were the ones who selected him. So explain Mahomes, Kelce, Gronk, Jones, and Hill? Those all just lucky picks? Gee, that KC and New England group must've had some special 4 leaf clover!

[alw80]

NFL coaches have a much bigger impact on games/seasons than MLB managers do.

+ 1 million
But, even with revenue sharing, the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Houston Texans have never even been to a Super Bowl. The Cardinals, Chargers, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Bengals, Bills, and Vikings have also never won a Super Bowl.

And lets face it, the NFL product is just not very good. Parity isn't good if you like watching the best of the best.

Completely disagree about this. NFL product is excellent.

Exactly. The salary cap keeps teams like the Cowboys from stacking unbeatable rosters. The NFL does not have a Dodgers situation. Sure, teams like KC (and New England before them), have created dynasties. But that was through smart drafting, great coaching, and really good core players. Those rosters were not bought.

Jerry Jones is just as cheap as MLB owners, he would never be the Dodgers. KC and NE have/had all time great QBs but haven't been any better than anyone else at drafting. Don't fear greatness.

So drafting Brady, Gronk, Mahomes, Kelce, Jones, and Hill isn't great drafting?

Brady was literally the last pick of the draft. They had no clue what they had there, which is kind of the point here that drafting is hard theres a lot of luck involved.

New England had a franchise QB and weren't looking for a starter. Otherwise, they may have taken Brady earlier. But, they were the ones who selected him. So explain Mahomes, Kelce, Gronk, Jones, and Hill? Those all just lucky picks? Gee, that KC and New England group must've had some special 4 leaf clover!

Using Brady as evidence of good drafting is completely ridiculous. Mahomes was a good pick now explain why they haven't drafted a single good offensive player to put around him since Tyreek and Kelce? Belichick was fortunate to draft Gronk because he couldn't draft a WR to save his life.

[Stlcardsblues]

NFL coaches have a much bigger impact on games/seasons than MLB managers do.

+ 1 million
But, even with revenue sharing, the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Houston Texans have never even been to a Super Bowl. The Cardinals, Chargers, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Bengals, Bills, and Vikings have also never won a Super Bowl.

And lets face it, the NFL product is just not very good. Parity isn't good if you like watching the best of the best.

Completely disagree about this. NFL product is excellent.

Exactly. The salary cap keeps teams like the Cowboys from stacking unbeatable rosters. The NFL does not have a Dodgers situation. Sure, teams like KC (and New England before them), have created dynasties. But that was through smart drafting, great coaching, and really good core players. Those rosters were not bought.

Jerry Jones is just as cheap as MLB owners, he would never be the Dodgers. KC and NE have/had all time great QBs but haven't been any better than anyone else at drafting. Don't fear greatness.

As a lifelong Cowboys fan, Jones can be called a lot of things, but cheap isn’t one of them. Without a cap he would load up on talent.

The last thing JJ wants to do at this point is spend a dime more than he absolutely has to. Look at how long hes hung onto bad HCs as one example. His greatest feat is making people believe hes some kind of big spender. Hes just not.

It has more to do with not wanting to admit a mistake over not wanting to pay multiple coaches. They will soon be on their forth DC in four years.

[alw80]

NFL coaches have a much bigger impact on games/seasons than MLB managers do.

+ 1 million
But, even with revenue sharing, the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Houston Texans have never even been to a Super Bowl. The Cardinals, Chargers, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Bengals, Bills, and Vikings have also never won a Super Bowl.

And lets face it, the NFL product is just not very good. Parity isn't good if you like watching the best of the best.

Completely disagree about this. NFL product is excellent.

Exactly. The salary cap keeps teams like the Cowboys from stacking unbeatable rosters. The NFL does not have a Dodgers situation. Sure, teams like KC (and New England before them), have created dynasties. But that was through smart drafting, great coaching, and really good core players. Those rosters were not bought.

Jerry Jones is just as cheap as MLB owners, he would never be the Dodgers. KC and NE have/had all time great QBs but haven't been any better than anyone else at drafting. Don't fear greatness.

As a lifelong Cowboys fan, Jones can be called a lot of things, but cheap isn’t one of them. Without a cap he would load up on talent.

The last thing JJ wants to do at this point is spend a dime more than he absolutely has to. Look at how long hes hung onto bad HCs as one example. His greatest feat is making people believe hes some kind of big spender. Hes just not.

It has more to do with not wanting to admit a mistake over not wanting to pay multiple coaches. They will soon be on their forth DC in four years.

Jerry doesn't want to pay multiple HCs at the same time and doesn't want to pony up for what it would cost to get a good head coach either. Hes a cheapass and is fine with just keeping the Cowboys as an everyday topic on the sh*tty sports debate shows.

[zuck698]

This year is already a beaut Clark! Here on CT, we have the NFL and the Arby's OP's leading the way. We need a popcorn emoji added to the list.

[ScotchMIrish]

NFL coaches have a much bigger impact on games/seasons than MLB managers do.

I agree to an extent but the quarterback in football is equivalent to the pitcher in baseball. The difference is the quarterback plays the entire game every game. Tom Brady past him prime by several years left New England and won a super bowl. That wasn't the coach. In 50 years of NFL football in St Louis they had a total of 0 playoff wins without Mike Martz on the staff. They were lousy. Hired Martz and went to 2 super bowls. Fired Martz and never had another winning season.

The lack of a payroll cap today is the elephant in the room. Dallas stopped being a power in the NFL when they enacted a payroll cap. The same thing would happen to the Dodgers if MLB had a payroll cap and then the manager would have a much bigger impact. See Whitey Herzog in an era prior to the big disparity in revenue.

Martz was the worst head coach in football - pretty good OC though

LOL - He only got the Rams to the super bowl.

and Matheny got the Cards to a WS - did you have a point you were trying to make?

Yes. And it is accurate.

[hugeCardfan]

On top of everything, I don't give a whit who wins the Super Bowl.

[fullswing]

This year is already a beaut Clark! Here on CT, we have the NFL and the Arby's OP's leading the way. We need a popcorn emoji added to the list.

HAHAHA!!

[JuanAgosto]

NFL coaches have a much bigger impact on games/seasons than MLB managers do.

+ 1 million
But, even with revenue sharing, the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Houston Texans have never even been to a Super Bowl. The Cardinals, Chargers, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Bengals, Bills, and Vikings have also never won a Super Bowl.

And lets face it, the NFL product is just not very good. Parity isn't good if you like watching the best of the best.

Completely disagree about this. NFL product is excellent.

Exactly. The salary cap keeps teams like the Cowboys from stacking unbeatable rosters. The NFL does not have a Dodgers situation. Sure, teams like KC (and New England before them), have created dynasties. But that was through smart drafting, great coaching, and really good core players. Those rosters were not bought.

Jerry Jones is just as cheap as MLB owners, he would never be the Dodgers. KC and NE have/had all time great QBs but haven't been any better than anyone else at drafting. Don't fear greatness.

So drafting Brady, Gronk, Mahomes, Kelce, Jones, and Hill isn't great drafting?

Brady was literally the last pick of the draft. They had no clue what they had there, which is kind of the point here that drafting is hard theres a lot of luck involved.

New England had a franchise QB and weren't looking for a starter. Otherwise, they may have taken Brady earlier. But, they were the ones who selected him. So explain Mahomes, Kelce, Gronk, Jones, and Hill? Those all just lucky picks? Gee, that KC and New England group must've had some special 4 leaf clover!

Using Brady as evidence of good drafting is completely ridiculous. Mahomes was a good pick now explain why they haven't drafted a single good offensive player to put around him since Tyreek and Kelce? Belichick was fortunate to draft Gronk because he couldn't draft a WR to save his life.

Not ridiculous. As I said, they already had Bledsoe. They weren't looking for a franchise qb. As for Gronk, you cant ignore them drafting him because they didn't draft wr. That a ridiculous argument. Pretty sure they did well with Welker and Edelman.

KC has drafted well around their big 3. Unfortunately, injuries and legal issues have hampered those picks.