Faulk name heating up?

[seattleblue]

Vegas is missing Pietrangelo so very badly.

Could you imagine Faulk being traded for a second time, only to be asked to replace Pietrangelo again... At least this time there's no awkward overlap between the two.

Yeah kinda funny actually. They didn’t need a Marner. They need to replace Pietrangelo…which is not possible.

Pietrangelo is such a glue guy. Marner is not

Really? The glue guy?

Yes a glue guy. That’s why Armstrong named him Captain … and Team Canada named him with McDavid and Crosby (first ever for any Blue) … and why Vegas put a letter on his chest on day 1 (which almost never happens)….and why Armstrong puts him up with hockey legends.

Blues fans not knowing this hilarious

I completely get why it's hilarious. It is. You wait and wait and wait and wait and wait until your eyeballs pop out, then a player arrives who literally proves it on the ice and anchors a franchise for a decade to the most conference wins and a Cup, and afterwards the people who waited don't even understand what happened. You and I each see how shameful this is.

I never knew he still has the most points for any Team Canada defender in a tournament. Dude just did it his entire life….on the biggest stages.

Looking back at it I take him 1st overall over Stamkos and Doughty and don’t think twice.

It breaks some of their little brains that I agree with you overall about Petro. Would I take him #1 over those two? I'll remain noncommittal on that. Those are the two I would be considering. Both Stamkos and Doughty are picks you can't go wrong with. I easily take Petro over Josi and Carlson and Karlsson. I never liked Karlsson's player profile, I strongly prefer the balance Petro had and the warm feeling defensively. Petro's defense and Karlsson's defense – if you swapped the two players the Blues would have been up and down those years instead of consistently excellent. He provided a floor and a stability. There are players you need who are necessary but not sufficient to win a Cup, and IMO a true #1 D gets you closer than a true #1C. 12 positions versus 6 positions. Ice time overall, all the situations.

[skilles]

Petro is like a little social experiment on here that proves just how much bias can control peoples minds.

[Jeff Goldblum]

Vegas is missing Pietrangelo so very badly.

Could you imagine Faulk being traded for a second time, only to be asked to replace Pietrangelo again... At least this time there's no awkward overlap between the two.

Yeah kinda funny actually. They didn’t need a Marner. They need to replace Pietrangelo…which is not possible.

Pietrangelo is such a glue guy. Marner is not

Really? The glue guy?

Yes a glue guy. That’s why Armstrong named him Captain … and Team Canada named him with McDavid and Crosby (first ever for any Blue) … and why Vegas put a letter on his chest on day 1 (which almost never happens)….and why Armstrong puts him up with hockey legends.

Blues fans not knowing this hilarious

I completely get why it's hilarious. It is. You wait and wait and wait and wait and wait until your eyeballs pop out, then a player arrives who literally proves it on the ice and anchors a franchise for a decade to the most conference wins and a Cup, and afterwards the people who waited don't even understand what happened. You and I each see how shameful this is.

You both see it because you are the same eyes...

I already understand you're a terrible poster, but really now I'm Theo, again, because you don't like my opinion? That is exceptionally pitiful Jeff. It proves why I should be on his side, against you. 100% he owns the moral high ground on you, and you're dreck

Because you both post the same stupid [shirt].

[93]

back to the original topic of things
if you are going to deal out faulk now is the time with the season he is having

[Army's Mom]

Vegas is missing Pietrangelo so very badly.

Could you imagine Faulk being traded for a second time, only to be asked to replace Pietrangelo again... At least this time there's no awkward overlap between the two.

Yeah kinda funny actually. They didn’t need a Marner. They need to replace Pietrangelo…which is not possible.

Pietrangelo is such a glue guy. Marner is not

Really? The glue guy?

Yes a glue guy. That’s why Armstrong named him Captain … and Team Canada named him with McDavid and Crosby (first ever for any Blue) … and why Vegas put a letter on his chest on day 1 (which almost never happens)….and why Armstrong puts him up with hockey legends.

Blues fans not knowing this hilarious

I completely get why it's hilarious. It is. You wait and wait and wait and wait and wait until your eyeballs pop out, then a player arrives who literally proves it on the ice and anchors a franchise for a decade to the most conference wins and a Cup, and afterwards the people who waited don't even understand what happened. You and I each see how shameful this is.

I never knew he still has the most points for any Team Canada defender in a tournament. Dude just did it his entire life….on the biggest stages.

Looking back at it I take him 1st overall over Stamkos and Doughty and don’t think twice.

It breaks some of their little brains that I agree with you overall about Petro. Would I take him #1 over those two? I'll remain noncommittal on that. Those are the two I would be considering. Both Stamkos and Doughty are picks you can't go wrong with. I easily take Petro over Josi and Carlson and Karlsson. I never liked Karlsson's player profile, I strongly prefer the balance Petro had and the warm feeling defensively. Petro's defense and Karlsson's defense – if you swapped the two players the Blues would have been up and down those years instead of consistently excellent. He provided a floor and a stability. There are players you need who are necessary but not sufficient to win a Cup, and IMO a true #1 D gets you closer than a true #1C. 12 positions versus 6 positions. Ice time overall, all the situations.

Doughty arguably was as impactful in winning Cups as Petro was (though Doughty had Kopitar as elite support, Petro didn't have nearly as good support).

Stamkos was a nice piece to some Cup winners, but IMO wasn't as instrumental.

I disagree with a lot of people about the circumstances of Petro's departure or where to place blame, but his departure absolutely sealed the window shut here, and could well seal the window in Vegas. The more time passes, the more I appreciate how special he really was.

[theograce]

The more time passes, the more I appreciate how special he really was.

There will be a statue we can touch and kneel before. Some people will take a knee…some will take 2.

[somni]

Vegas is missing Pietrangelo so very badly.

Could you imagine Faulk being traded for a second time, only to be asked to replace Pietrangelo again... At least this time there's no awkward overlap between the two.

Yeah kinda funny actually. They didn’t need a Marner. They need to replace Pietrangelo…which is not possible.

Pietrangelo is such a glue guy. Marner is not

Really? The glue guy?

Yes a glue guy. That’s why Armstrong named him Captain … and Team Canada named him with McDavid and Crosby (first ever for any Blue) … and why Vegas put a letter on his chest on day 1 (which almost never happens)….and why Armstrong puts him up with hockey legends.

Blues fans not knowing this hilarious

I completely get why it's hilarious. It is. You wait and wait and wait and wait and wait until your eyeballs pop out, then a player arrives who literally proves it on the ice and anchors a franchise for a decade to the most conference wins and a Cup, and afterwards the people who waited don't even understand what happened. You and I each see how shameful this is.

I never knew he still has the most points for any Team Canada defender in a tournament. Dude just did it his entire life….on the biggest stages.

Looking back at it I take him 1st overall over Stamkos and Doughty and don’t think twice.

It breaks some of their little brains that I agree with you overall about Petro. Would I take him #1 over those two? I'll remain noncommittal on that. Those are the two I would be considering. Both Stamkos and Doughty are picks you can't go wrong with. I easily take Petro over Josi and Carlson and Karlsson. I never liked Karlsson's player profile, I strongly prefer the balance Petro had and the warm feeling defensively. Petro's defense and Karlsson's defense – if you swapped the two players the Blues would have been up and down those years instead of consistently excellent. He provided a floor and a stability. There are players you need who are necessary but not sufficient to win a Cup, and IMO a true #1 D gets you closer than a true #1C. 12 positions versus 6 positions. Ice time overall, all the situations.

Doughty arguably was as impactful in winning Cups as Petro was (though Doughty had Kopitar as elite support, Petro didn't have nearly as good support).

Stamkos was a nice piece to some Cup winners, but IMO wasn't as instrumental.

I disagree with a lot of people about the circumstances of Petro's departure or where to place blame, but his departure absolutely sealed the window shut here, and could well seal the window in Vegas. The more time passes, the more I appreciate how special he really was.

Disagree on the window being absolutely shut. Blues did ok in 20/21 during part-covid. But they lost Gunner that year.

But the 21/22 team was very good and finished with 109 points. They split the first 2 games with COL and we all know what happened in game 3 right after they scored the first goal.

That was the last push by that core without Petro.

[theograce]

Everyone is still sad around the league

[BudOnTap]

The more time passes, the more I appreciate how special he really was.

There will be a statue we can touch and kneel before. Some people will take a knee…some will take 2.

We all know you’re going down on both for him.

[TheJackBurton]

I’m late to this party but looking through this thread, I just don’t see how you wouldn’t look at what the market is for Faulk. No one is saying to just give him away but he will be 34 in March. He will not be a contributing player when this team is challenging again. If the market says we can get a first and a good prospect for him or possibly a couple of good prospects for him, why wouldn’t you consider doing that. The same with Schenn. If a good market is there for them, Armstrong has to consider doing that.

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned that we don’t have a replacement for Faulk AND any replacement was 3-5 years away. That’s just not true. Jiricek was arguably the best Dman at the world juniors. He will be in Springfield next year and the Blues will get their first look sometime later in the 26-27 season.

The Blues will get their first look at Lindstein sometime next year. Fischer will be getting his first look probably in the 27-28 season. Ralph and Burns right behind that. There are several Dmen just 2-3 years away, some we will be seeing I believe as early as sometime next year.

If you can move a couple of aging veterans for some assets we can use when we are a viable team again, why wouldn’t Armstrong/Steen take a look at that.

There is no guarantee of that. Jiricek could light the world on fire or he could be next years Logan Mailloux. He has no NHL games under his belt and although improving will still spend at least most of next year in the AHL, if not the entire season.

Even with that, he won't be ready for top 4 duty for at least 2-3 seasons most likely. My point was just getting a 1st round pick and a mid level prospect for him is a waste of time and doesn't do the team any good. If he is being traded it has to be for an upgrade in a position, not for something that might produce something of worth in 3-5 years.

Doesn’t do what team any good? The 25-26 Blues who are not playoff eligible now? Look, you have your way of looking at this and that’s fine but I believe just letting a 34 year old Dman just ride out his contract and not look at his market if there is one is just plain wrong, that’s my view. The Blues obtaining future assets does help. Maybe not the 25-26 version but certainly future versions.

As far as who is on the horizon, you nor I can tell the future but the comment was no one was on the horizon for 3-5 years. I’m saying that’s just not true. We will see Jiricek and probably Lindstein sometime next year. If Jiricek continues to develop at the rate he has this year, next year sometime is very likely. Lindstein is probably sometime next year also. Guarantees, of course not, but highly likely.

no read it again because I was the one who made the comment. I said the draft pick we would get wouldn't help us for about 3-5 years since it would be a low first rounder. He isn't going to ride out his contract. He'll either be extended or likely traded in the off season if they feel they can get a top 4 right dman, or have one. I never said not to listen, but it doesn't do the team any good to trade him this trade deadline for essentially what the package would be next trade deadline. You can get a first rounder and a mid prospect if he's having this type of season next year without much of a problem.

You don’t know what we could get next year. If you can get a maximum value now you should get it while you can because you don’t know what next year brings. If you can guarantee the same return, which you can’t, then wait but take the maximum value when it’s available. We have seen this story before. Hang on to an asset thinking I can do better…..then you can’t. Again, I think the same with Schenn. Explore the market and if the value is there, move him too. Just my opinion.

Yes we do. A top 4 RHD is going to get that as a minimum and that is if there are multiples on the market. If he's the only one? Then it gets better. The league is starved for top 4 RHD and a first a prospect is just about the default return for anyone who would be considered a top trade chip, which barring a massive injury, he would be even if his offensive numbers aren't as good.

That's simply reality. It's no different than acquiring a below average 2nd line center. It's almost a guarantee you are getting a 1st rounder because there aren't many out there.

[Whatashame]

I’m late to this party but looking through this thread, I just don’t see how you wouldn’t look at what the market is for Faulk. No one is saying to just give him away but he will be 34 in March. He will not be a contributing player when this team is challenging again. If the market says we can get a first and a good prospect for him or possibly a couple of good prospects for him, why wouldn’t you consider doing that. The same with Schenn. If a good market is there for them, Armstrong has to consider doing that.

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned that we don’t have a replacement for Faulk AND any replacement was 3-5 years away. That’s just not true. Jiricek was arguably the best Dman at the world juniors. He will be in Springfield next year and the Blues will get their first look sometime later in the 26-27 season.

The Blues will get their first look at Lindstein sometime next year. Fischer will be getting his first look probably in the 27-28 season. Ralph and Burns right behind that. There are several Dmen just 2-3 years away, some we will be seeing I believe as early as sometime next year.

If you can move a couple of aging veterans for some assets we can use when we are a viable team again, why wouldn’t Armstrong/Steen take a look at that.

There is no guarantee of that. Jiricek could light the world on fire or he could be next years Logan Mailloux. He has no NHL games under his belt and although improving will still spend at least most of next year in the AHL, if not the entire season.

Even with that, he won't be ready for top 4 duty for at least 2-3 seasons most likely. My point was just getting a 1st round pick and a mid level prospect for him is a waste of time and doesn't do the team any good. If he is being traded it has to be for an upgrade in a position, not for something that might produce something of worth in 3-5 years.

Doesn’t do what team any good? The 25-26 Blues who are not playoff eligible now? Look, you have your way of looking at this and that’s fine but I believe just letting a 34 year old Dman just ride out his contract and not look at his market if there is one is just plain wrong, that’s my view. The Blues obtaining future assets does help. Maybe not the 25-26 version but certainly future versions.

As far as who is on the horizon, you nor I can tell the future but the comment was no one was on the horizon for 3-5 years. I’m saying that’s just not true. We will see Jiricek and probably Lindstein sometime next year. If Jiricek continues to develop at the rate he has this year, next year sometime is very likely. Lindstein is probably sometime next year also. Guarantees, of course not, but highly likely.

no read it again because I was the one who made the comment. I said the draft pick we would get wouldn't help us for about 3-5 years since it would be a low first rounder. He isn't going to ride out his contract. He'll either be extended or likely traded in the off season if they feel they can get a top 4 right dman, or have one. I never said not to listen, but it doesn't do the team any good to trade him this trade deadline for essentially what the package would be next trade deadline. You can get a first rounder and a mid prospect if he's having this type of season next year without much of a problem.

You don’t know what we could get next year. If you can get a maximum value now you should get it while you can because you don’t know what next year brings. If you can guarantee the same return, which you can’t, then wait but take the maximum value when it’s available. We have seen this story before. Hang on to an asset thinking I can do better…..then you can’t. Again, I think the same with Schenn. Explore the market and if the value is there, move him too. Just my opinion.

Yes we do. A top 4 RHD is going to get that as a minimum and that is if there are multiples on the market. If he's the only one? Then it gets better. The league is starved for top 4 RHD and a first a prospect is just about the default return for anyone who would be considered a top trade chip, which barring a massive injury, he would be even if his offensive numbers aren't as good.

That's simply reality. It's no different than acquiring a below average 2nd line center. It's almost a guarantee you are getting a 1st rounder because there aren't many out there.

No you don’t know that. Faulk is playing at a level that he may just get that return right now. You don’t know what his play will be next year. You don’t know about any injuries that may come his way. If his play dictates that kind of return now for a guy who will soon be 34 then jump on it and the heck with thinking that same return will be there next year when he’s approaching 35. That’s the reality. We have all seen that wait “one more year” scenario play out before. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it just doesn’t. Why take any chances if the return is there now. Like any trade made, you show me the return and I’ll tell you if I like it.

[Blues Dave]

Seems like any Blues player having a good run is an almost instant "name heating up". No offense to the OP. I appriciate Faulks game. He's one of our better players. A lot of folks were down on him. Now he's playing better, so let's move him? Our Blues as a team are having problems that need to be fixed. Not just a couple of players. It's musical chairs right now on this team until they gel as a team.

We can't just keep trying to get better by trading off one of our better guys to try to find someone who might play better. By that method, the new guy who plays better should be traded for some other player who might play better. I'm not saying absolutely don't do anything, because sometimes that's what you should do. I just don't want to get rid of someone and then have to try to find another goalie who's as good. Just slow down for a bit with this team.

The team needs a rebuild which has been the case for 3 or 4 years. Either you get it or you’re in denial with most of the board.

Nope. I'm frustrated too. Have been many times during the Blues existence. But I'm not interested in losing to get a better draft pick either. I'm not saying you are either. I've been around this bemd many times and opinions about solutions can be widespread. Count me as one of them.

[Zizzle1297]

Nate Danielson, 1st rounder (will probably fall in the 20th pick range), and Hamonic

for

Faulk

[SameOldBlues]

Nate Danielson, 1st rounder (will probably fall in the 20th pick range), and Hamonic

for

Faulk

Do it in a heartbeat, unfortunately Detroit wouldn’t.

[Zizzle1297]

Nate Danielson, 1st rounder (will probably fall in the 20th pick range), and Hamonic

for

Faulk

Do it in a heartbeat, unfortunately Detroit wouldn’t.

I think Detroit is would be a great fit for Faulk. They have several other pieces if they dont want to trade Danielson.

[zamadoo]

Trading Faulk now/soon rather than waiting until next TDL is smart for two reasons:

1. more value on a longer contract
2. the future is unpredictable

Months ago people were saying Faulk had no trade value and we'd have to ADD to move him (to which I never agreed). Some of us thought his return might only be a 2nd. Now, listening to other teams' broadcasts, you hear them talk about him having a heck of a season and being a lone bright spot on this bad team.

So the consensus has changed amongst fans here (valueless, to 1st+) and abroad. He's having a career year at 33/34 after some down years. We have some defensive prospects on the way (even traded for one that IS the eventual Faulk replacement).

Last year he scored at a .41 PPG clip, this year he is currently at .47 with more goals than assists. With only 1 point in his last 5 games, I wonder how long he will maintain this status.

That said, it is almost certain that if we trade him today, we tank, or maybe somehow squeak into the playoffs and likely get destroyed in the first round. To me, that's the only deliberation. Are we willing to sacrifice for the future? Probably not yet.

We should be looking at why Faber is on Team America over Faulk, and how to move Faulk for a young player like that. A team in the window may be willing to move a defenseman in their early 20s for two playoffs of Faulk.

If we don't move Faulk, I really hope it's because we're winning and looking good doing it.