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[OldRed]

I have over 30 years working in investment banking and mergers...and had extensive experience with the DeTwits...they are only concerned with profit and care nothing about the fans.

I believe you are correct. I wonder how Cranny involved with is high school friend in this.

Of course, we know he can't read these posts.

Not one person on this forum cares whether I can read your posts or not. But the fact is, on a long chain of posts
the ignore factor doesn't kick in. But of course you already know that. So don't play dumb.

Of course you read my posts. Just admit it.

[riff raff]

I have over 30 years working in investment banking and mergers...and had extensive experience with the DeTwits...they are only concerned with profit and care nothing about the fans.

I believe you are correct. I wonder how Cranny involved with is high school friend in this.

Of course, we know he can't read these posts.

Not one person on this forum cares whether I can read your posts or not. But the fact is, on a long chain of posts
the ignore factor doesn't kick in. But of course you already know that. So don't play dumb.

Of course you read my posts. Just admit it.

Who gives a fck? All three of you are idiots.
Like a bunch of bickering old women.

[WLTFE]

I have over 30 years working in investment banking and mergers...and had extensive experience with the DeTwits...they are only concerned with profit and care nothing about the fans.

I believe you are correct. I wonder how Cranny involved with is high school friend in this.

Of course, we know he can't read these posts.

Not one person on this forum cares whether I can read your posts or not. But the fact is, on a long chain of posts
the ignore factor doesn't kick in. But of course you already know that. So don't play dumb.

Of course you read my posts. Just admit it.

Who gives a fck? All three of you are idiots.
Like a bunch of bickering old women.

dump[fork] alert!

[CCard]

Your're right, it doesn't change the facts. The Forbes numbers show the following for each team's average "operating income" (as close a number to "profits" as we're going to have) over 2015-2024:

No, "Operating Income" is not as close to "Profits" as you can get. That's moronic. Tell me, if teams are that close to the bone then why would any team sign a $30 million dollar player, let alone multiple and yet they do. How do you explain that?

How Forbes calculates "operating income" is as close a measure as we have for "profits."

Again, your own Forbes link - which stated that the 30 MLB teams made $8 billion in "profits" over the decade from 2010-2019 works out to an average of $27 million per team per year, which is completely in line with the numbers above.

Then how does the Forbes article say they made $350 million in profits? Again, there's a difference in operating expenses and profits.

It's not "operating expenses." No one, anywhere, has said "operating expenses."

Forbes term is "operating income." That is what is as close as we're going to get to "profits."

I don't know where you read "$350 million." It was either, maybe, the total "profits" they made over a decade (so $35 million a year), not annual. Or else you read annual "revenue" (which for the Cardinals has been right around $350 million) as "profits."

Your premise is so silly it makes me gasp for breath. If that were the scenario then no team would sign a player for 30 million dollars or they'd be instantly losing money. Does that make any sense to you? Operating cost is expenses, Not Profit! Think about it.

Can you not read - the Forbes quantity is "operating INCOME."

Read the headline from your own **** article, which was written in May 2020:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenh ... ince-2010/

MLB Owners Cry Hardship. Our Numbers Show They’ve Made $8 Billion In Profit Since 2010.

$8 billion in "profit" for 30 teams over ten years (2010-2019) is an average of $27 million per team per year. It's simple math.

And, yes, apparently if a number of teams just went out and net added a $30 million player on top of what they have already budgeted for their MLB payroll, they would go from a slight profit to a slight loss (if revenue remained unchanged).

In 2024, the average revenue for Major League Baseball teams was approximately $378 million, with the New York Yankees generating the highest revenue at $679 million. The Los Angeles Dodgers followed closely, earning $549 million in the same year.


How Much Revenue Did MLB Generate in 2024?

Figures reflect official reporting, financial disclosures, and industry estimates to provide the most accurate picture of MLB’s total economic output.

The MLB generated $12.1 billion in total revenue during 2024, setting a new all-time record for the league.
The average MLB team earned about $386 million in 2023, though the gap between large and small markets remains wide.
MLB’s $12 billion economy now exceeds the GDP of more than 50 countries, underscoring how global the business of baseball has become.
League revenue has grown 264 percent since 2000, fueled by media deals, licensing, and stadium investments.
The MLB welcomed 70.75 million fans in 2023, the first time attendance topped 70 million since 2018.
From 2020 to 2024, total revenue jumped 70 percent, highlighting baseball’s rebound from the pandemic.
About 85 percent of MLB revenue is local—from ticket sales, concessions, and regional TV—while only 15 percent comes from national sources.
The league’s overall growth rate since 1970 averages around 11 percent per year.

https://www.docsports.com/2025/mlb-fina ... stics.html


Do you see how silly you are now? Please read and learn.

"Revenue" is not deducting for expenses. You are confusing gross revenue with profit.

As I said before, the Cardinals "revenue" is about $350 million per year, but their total operating expenses are apparently about $325 million per year, so they have an annual "operating income" or "profit" of about $25 million per year.

So you're trying to say that all those years when the Cards payroll was $160-180 million that they lost money. That's utter bull and you know it. Expenses didn't magically go up in 5 years. They made around $350 in revenue. Deduct even $180 million from that. That leaves a $170 million for expenses. Get real.

Major League Baseball teams primarily cover the salaries of players and coaches in their minor league affiliates, along with some travel expenses and per-diem meals. However, the operational costs, such as marketing and game-day expenses, are largely the responsibility of the minor league teams themselves.

The cost of building a spring training facility can vary significantly, but it typically involves millions of dollars. For example, the construction of George M. Steinbrenner Field in Tampa, Florida, cost approximately $30 million, financed entirely with public funds.

The upkeep costs for a Major League Baseball park can vary significantly, but it is generally a substantial financial commitment. Maintenance and operational expenses can run into millions of dollars annually, depending on the size and age of the stadium, as well as the specific needs for repairs and renovations.

That all is probably no small amount, but it sure as hell isn't $170 million dollars either. Now you add in some odds and ends like scouting and maybe the occasional international signing and ....wait...That still is a lot less.
See how silly your argument is?

The Cardinals have between 870-890 full time employees. Some don't realize how big the organization is.

If you are not part owner, how do you obtain this information? But I know you can't see my posts . . . . LOL

Google. Search for a while and you get numbers. Is it exact? I doubt it, but it's not far off. The more "partners" there are the more likely the information will come out. After all is said and done, the premise they can't afford to spend $50 or more million dollars is as silly as you are. Just save it.

[CCard]

Doesn't change the facts. Anyway you slice it. I posted the Forbes link. Read it.

Your're right, it doesn't change the facts. The Forbes numbers show the following for each team's average "operating income" (as close a number to "profits" as we're going to have) over 2015-2024:

The average if you include the Mets is +$17.5 million. The average if you exclude the Mets is +$20.8 million.

Boston - +$63 million
Cubs - +$59
San Francisco - +$48
Pittsburgh - +$44
Houston - +$42
Atlanta - +$38
Milwaukee - +$33
Seattle - +$33
Baltimore - +$32
Cleveland - +$31
Tampa Bay - +$29
Philadelphia - +$28
Angels - +$27
St. Louis - +$27
Texas - +$21
______________________Median & Avg. w/o Mets of $20.8 million
Washington - +$20
______________________Avg. with Mets of $17.5 million
Arizona - +$16
Kansas City - +$15
Cincinnati - +$13
Dodgers - +$10
Minnesota - +$9
White Sox - +$6
Athletics - +$6
Colorado - $0
Detroit - -$1
Miami - -$4
San Diego - -$6
Yankee - -$14
Toronto - -$22
Mets - -$79

No, "Operating Income" is not as close to "Profits" as you can get. That's moronic. Tell me, if teams are that close to the bone then why would any team sign a $30 million dollar player, let alone multiple and yet they do. How do you explain that?

How Forbes calculates "operating income" is as close a measure as we have for "profits."

Again, your own Forbes link - which stated that the 30 MLB teams made $8 billion in "profits" over the decade from 2010-2019 works out to an average of $27 million per team per year, which is completely in line with the numbers above.

Then how does the Forbes article say they made $350 million in profits? Again, there's a difference in operating expenses and profits.

It's not "operating expenses." No one, anywhere, has said "operating expenses."

Forbes term is "operating income." That is what is as close as we're going to get to "profits."

I don't know where you read "$350 million." It was either, maybe, the total "profits" they made over a decade (so $35 million a year), not annual. Or else you read annual "revenue" (which for the Cardinals has been right around $350 million) as "profits."

Your premise is so silly it makes me gasp for breath. If that were the scenario then no team would sign a player for 30 million dollars or they'd be instantly losing money. Does that make any sense to you? Operating cost is expenses, Not Profit! Think about it.

Can you not read - the Forbes quantity is "operating INCOME."

Read the headline from your own **** article, which was written in May 2020:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenh ... ince-2010/

MLB Owners Cry Hardship. Our Numbers Show They’ve Made $8 Billion In Profit Since 2010.

$8 billion in "profit" for 30 teams over ten years (2010-2019) is an average of $27 million per team per year. It's simple math.

And, yes, apparently if a number of teams just went out and net added a $30 million player on top of what they have already budgeted for their MLB payroll, they would go from a slight profit to a slight loss (if revenue remained unchanged).

In 2024, the average revenue for Major League Baseball teams was approximately $378 million, with the New York Yankees generating the highest revenue at $679 million. The Los Angeles Dodgers followed closely, earning $549 million in the same year.


How Much Revenue Did MLB Generate in 2024?

Figures reflect official reporting, financial disclosures, and industry estimates to provide the most accurate picture of MLB’s total economic output.

The MLB generated $12.1 billion in total revenue during 2024, setting a new all-time record for the league.
The average MLB team earned about $386 million in 2023, though the gap between large and small markets remains wide.
MLB’s $12 billion economy now exceeds the GDP of more than 50 countries, underscoring how global the business of baseball has become.
League revenue has grown 264 percent since 2000, fueled by media deals, licensing, and stadium investments.
The MLB welcomed 70.75 million fans in 2023, the first time attendance topped 70 million since 2018.
From 2020 to 2024, total revenue jumped 70 percent, highlighting baseball’s rebound from the pandemic.
About 85 percent of MLB revenue is local—from ticket sales, concessions, and regional TV—while only 15 percent comes from national sources.
The league’s overall growth rate since 1970 averages around 11 percent per year.

https://www.docsports.com/2025/mlb-fina ... stics.html


Do you see how silly you are now? Please read and learn.

"Revenue" is not deducting for expenses. You are confusing gross revenue with profit.

As I said before, the Cardinals "revenue" is about $350 million per year, but their total operating expenses are apparently about $325 million per year, so they have an annual "operating income" or "profit" of about $25 million per year.

So you're trying to say that all those years when the Cards payroll was $160-180 million that they lost money. That's utter bull and you know it. Expenses didn't magically go up in 5 years. They made around $350 in revenue. Deduct even $180 million from that. That leaves a $170 million for expenses. Get real.

Major League Baseball teams primarily cover the salaries of players and coaches in their minor league affiliates, along with some travel expenses and per-diem meals. However, the operational costs, such as marketing and game-day expenses, are largely the responsibility of the minor league teams themselves.

The cost of building a spring training facility can vary significantly, but it typically involves millions of dollars. For example, the construction of George M. Steinbrenner Field in Tampa, Florida, cost approximately $30 million, financed entirely with public funds.

The upkeep costs for a Major League Baseball park can vary significantly, but it is generally a substantial financial commitment. Maintenance and operational expenses can run into millions of dollars annually, depending on the size and age of the stadium, as well as the specific needs for repairs and renovations.

That all is probably no small amount, but it sure as hell isn't $170 million dollars either. Now you add in some odds and ends like scouting and maybe the occasional international signing and ....wait...That still is a lot less.
See how silly your argument is?

The Cardinals have between 870-890 full time employees. Some don't realize how big the organization is.

Would that not be covered under "expenses"?

[Cranny]

Your're right, it doesn't change the facts. The Forbes numbers show the following for each team's average "operating income" (as close a number to "profits" as we're going to have) over 2015-2024:

No, "Operating Income" is not as close to "Profits" as you can get. That's moronic. Tell me, if teams are that close to the bone then why would any team sign a $30 million dollar player, let alone multiple and yet they do. How do you explain that?

How Forbes calculates "operating income" is as close a measure as we have for "profits."

Again, your own Forbes link - which stated that the 30 MLB teams made $8 billion in "profits" over the decade from 2010-2019 works out to an average of $27 million per team per year, which is completely in line with the numbers above.

Then how does the Forbes article say they made $350 million in profits? Again, there's a difference in operating expenses and profits.

It's not "operating expenses." No one, anywhere, has said "operating expenses."

Forbes term is "operating income." That is what is as close as we're going to get to "profits."

I don't know where you read "$350 million." It was either, maybe, the total "profits" they made over a decade (so $35 million a year), not annual. Or else you read annual "revenue" (which for the Cardinals has been right around $350 million) as "profits."

Your premise is so silly it makes me gasp for breath. If that were the scenario then no team would sign a player for 30 million dollars or they'd be instantly losing money. Does that make any sense to you? Operating cost is expenses, Not Profit! Think about it.

Can you not read - the Forbes quantity is "operating INCOME."

Read the headline from your own **** article, which was written in May 2020:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenh ... ince-2010/

MLB Owners Cry Hardship. Our Numbers Show They’ve Made $8 Billion In Profit Since 2010.

$8 billion in "profit" for 30 teams over ten years (2010-2019) is an average of $27 million per team per year. It's simple math.

And, yes, apparently if a number of teams just went out and net added a $30 million player on top of what they have already budgeted for their MLB payroll, they would go from a slight profit to a slight loss (if revenue remained unchanged).

In 2024, the average revenue for Major League Baseball teams was approximately $378 million, with the New York Yankees generating the highest revenue at $679 million. The Los Angeles Dodgers followed closely, earning $549 million in the same year.


How Much Revenue Did MLB Generate in 2024?

Figures reflect official reporting, financial disclosures, and industry estimates to provide the most accurate picture of MLB’s total economic output.

The MLB generated $12.1 billion in total revenue during 2024, setting a new all-time record for the league.
The average MLB team earned about $386 million in 2023, though the gap between large and small markets remains wide.
MLB’s $12 billion economy now exceeds the GDP of more than 50 countries, underscoring how global the business of baseball has become.
League revenue has grown 264 percent since 2000, fueled by media deals, licensing, and stadium investments.
The MLB welcomed 70.75 million fans in 2023, the first time attendance topped 70 million since 2018.
From 2020 to 2024, total revenue jumped 70 percent, highlighting baseball’s rebound from the pandemic.
About 85 percent of MLB revenue is local—from ticket sales, concessions, and regional TV—while only 15 percent comes from national sources.
The league’s overall growth rate since 1970 averages around 11 percent per year.

https://www.docsports.com/2025/mlb-fina ... stics.html


Do you see how silly you are now? Please read and learn.

"Revenue" is not deducting for expenses. You are confusing gross revenue with profit.

As I said before, the Cardinals "revenue" is about $350 million per year, but their total operating expenses are apparently about $325 million per year, so they have an annual "operating income" or "profit" of about $25 million per year.

So you're trying to say that all those years when the Cards payroll was $160-180 million that they lost money. That's utter bull and you know it. Expenses didn't magically go up in 5 years. They made around $350 in revenue. Deduct even $180 million from that. That leaves a $170 million for expenses. Get real.

Major League Baseball teams primarily cover the salaries of players and coaches in their minor league affiliates, along with some travel expenses and per-diem meals. However, the operational costs, such as marketing and game-day expenses, are largely the responsibility of the minor league teams themselves.

The cost of building a spring training facility can vary significantly, but it typically involves millions of dollars. For example, the construction of George M. Steinbrenner Field in Tampa, Florida, cost approximately $30 million, financed entirely with public funds.

The upkeep costs for a Major League Baseball park can vary significantly, but it is generally a substantial financial commitment. Maintenance and operational expenses can run into millions of dollars annually, depending on the size and age of the stadium, as well as the specific needs for repairs and renovations.

That all is probably no small amount, but it sure as hell isn't $170 million dollars either. Now you add in some odds and ends like scouting and maybe the occasional international signing and ....wait...That still is a lot less.
See how silly your argument is?

The Cardinals have between 870-890 full time employees. Some don't realize how big the organization is.

Would that not be covered under "expenses"?

Yes, fully loaded compensation is expensed.

[imetsatchelpaige]

Just take a moment and look at this thread.
A bunch of total mental masturbation from a bunch of people talking to themselves. There should absolutely be a limit on this kind of repetitive cra#.
Unbelievable…

[Goldfan]

Just take a moment and look at this thread.
A bunch of total mental masturbation from a bunch of people talking to themselves. There should absolutely be a limit on this kind of repetitive cra#.
Unbelievable…

Just like every other thread on CT……you do realize that mostly old men log in here to have long in depth conversations about a BASEBALL TEAM they watch during the summer??

[Cranny]

I have over 30 years working in investment banking and mergers...and had extensive experience with the DeTwits...they are only concerned with profit and care nothing about the fans.

I believe you are correct. I wonder how Cranny involved with is high school friend in this.

Of course, we know he can't read these posts.

Not one person on this forum cares whether I can read your posts or not. But the fact is, on a long chain of posts
the ignore factor doesn't kick in. But of course you already know that. So don't play dumb.

Of course you read my posts. Just admit it.

Who gives a fck? All three of you are idiots.
Like a bunch of bickering old women.

riff raff - you might want to check out who the stalkers are and who the stalkee is. Big difference.

[Cranny]

Just take a moment and look at this thread.
A bunch of total mental masturbation from a bunch of people talking to themselves. There should absolutely be a limit on this kind of repetitive cra#.
Unbelievable…

Just like every other thread on CT……you do realize that mostly old men log in here to have long in depth conversations about a BASEBALL TEAM they watch during the summer??

Actually, Goldfan, this thread turned into an interesting one. A cash flow analysis on how much money the Cardinals might have available to increase ML player payroll, with existing revenues. And how other teams are handling negative "operating income".

[Goldfan]

Just take a moment and look at this thread.
A bunch of total mental masturbation from a bunch of people talking to themselves. There should absolutely be a limit on this kind of repetitive cra#.
Unbelievable…

Just like every other thread on CT……you do realize that mostly old men log in here to have long in depth conversations about a BASEBALL TEAM they watch during the summer??

Actually, Goldfan, this thread turned into an interesting one. A cash flow analysis on how much money the Cardinals might have available to increase ML player payroll, with existing revenues. And how other teams are handling negative "operating income".

I think you miss the real point. That these large market teams you always poo poo about DON’T worry about running their business for a profit as you often argue BDW needs to. They have twice the Rev which would correlate to twice the Operating profit of the Cards but as seen they barely have a positive number and much less than St. Louis Cardinals LLC.

[riff raff]

I have over 30 years working in investment banking and mergers...and had extensive experience with the DeTwits...they are only concerned with profit and care nothing about the fans.

I believe you are correct. I wonder how Cranny involved with is high school friend in this.

Of course, we know he can't read these posts.

Not one person on this forum cares whether I can read your posts or not. But the fact is, on a long chain of posts
the ignore factor doesn't kick in. But of course you already know that. So don't play dumb.

Of course you read my posts. Just admit it.

Who gives a fck? All three of you are idiots.
Like a bunch of bickering old women.

riff raff - you might want to check out who the stalkers are and who the stalkee is. Big difference.

I'm pretty sure I know who's who.
Golden girls

[Cranny]

I have over 30 years working in investment banking and mergers...and had extensive experience with the DeTwits...they are only concerned with profit and care nothing about the fans.

I believe you are correct. I wonder how Cranny involved with is high school friend in this.

Of course, we know he can't read these posts.

Not one person on this forum cares whether I can read your posts or not. But the fact is, on a long chain of posts
the ignore factor doesn't kick in. But of course you already know that. So don't play dumb.

Of course you read my posts. Just admit it.

Who gives a fck? All three of you are idiots.
Like a bunch of bickering old women.

riff raff - you might want to check out who the stalkers are and who the stalkee is. Big difference.

I'm pretty sure I know who's who.
Golden girls

It's like a kid walks up to another kid on the playground and smacks him repeatedly. The kid finally retaliates and smacks him back. The playground teacher turns, sees it, and thinks both kids are guilty of fighting.

[WLTFE]

I have over 30 years working in investment banking and mergers...and had extensive experience with the DeTwits...they are only concerned with profit and care nothing about the fans.

I believe you are correct. I wonder how Cranny involved with is high school friend in this.

Of course, we know he can't read these posts.

Not one person on this forum cares whether I can read your posts or not. But the fact is, on a long chain of posts
the ignore factor doesn't kick in. But of course you already know that. So don't play dumb.

Of course you read my posts. Just admit it.

Who gives a fck? All three of you are idiots.
Like a bunch of bickering old women.

riff raff - you might want to check out who the stalkers are and who the stalkee is. Big difference.

I'm pretty sure I know who's who.
Golden girls

..now you're have to watch the forums biggest drama queen continue to whine!... it's an anonymous internet forum...but some posters have to cry and point fingers.

[Cranny]

Amazing that this jag won't shut up. Even after being warned by the mods.

[WLTFE]

I can't read your posts...I have you on ignore as directed by the mods.