NHL Draft Contribution to Blues Team Roster

[aslord]

useless information. You have too much time on your hands. I hope you aren't doing this bull[shirt] at work. I would fire your dumb (donkey)

[Kilokaai]

Super dumb thread again, lets look at drafts quickly during the Doug Armstrong era

2010 #16 Tarasenko 4th in his draft class in Pts and Goals
2010 #14 Schwartz 11th in Pts, 10th in Goals

2012 #33 Parayko 13th in Pts, 12th in GP

2014 #33 Barbashev 16th in Pts, 15th in Goals

2016 #26 Thompson 9th in Pts, 6th in Goals
2016 #35 Kyrou 10th in Pts, 9th Goals

2017 #20 Thomas 5th in Pts, 8th in Goals

2020 #26 Neighbours 8th in Goals

2021 #17 Zack Bolduc 10th in Goals

2022 #23 Snuggerud 14th in Pts

2023 #25 Stenberg 4th in +/-, 14th in Pts
2023 #10 Dvorsky 10th in Goal

So... once again as you can see the Blues have done a tremendous job drafting and developing their kids in this era. They wont need necessarily a "top 5" pick when the organization is this good at picking talent

My two cents is this is a much better way to look over the draft outcomes than the OP. If the rank is > the draft position then it means others missed and you out performed.

[LGB73]

I would guess the lion's share of those games goals and points come from TOP5 picks. It takes time for these players to develop when you're not drafting in the premium spots. Armstrong has repeatedly shown that his picks tend to perform better than their draft positions as Harry laid out. Give it some time to develop. It was never going to be a quick turnaround.

[a smell of green grass]

Never let it be said that ASOGG is not willing to spend the extra time to educate the weakest. It's just what dedicated and knowledgeable hockey fans do.

Please take a gander at the details provided in this link and ask yourself what you see.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft/nh ... draft/2023

What I see...
Almost every team's fans are seeing more goal/assist benefit from the 2023 draft than the Blues, and this is despite the fact that...

1. The Blues had 3 Round 1 picks
2. The Blues had a #10 pick
3. The Blues have roster spots open and available for youth, and have had for years already. There is no veteran holding them back from more ice time.
4. Celebrini's success does not explain away the problem.
5. Some of the teams are so strong that they are likely having a problem getting their prospects on NHL ice.

So the next time that Armstrong tells you that the prospects need more time, just realize that it is BLUES PROSPECTS that need more time, not ALL PROSPECTS.

Class dismissed.

[Bubble4427]

Never let it be said that ASOGG is not willing to spend the extra time to educate the weakest. It's just what dedicated and knowledgeable hockey fans do.

Please take a gander at the details provided in this link and ask yourself what you see.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft/nh ... draft/2023

What I see...
Almost every team's fans are seeing more goal/assist benefit from the 2023 draft than the Blues, and this is despite the fact that...

1. The Blues had 3 Round 1 picks
2. The Blues had a #10 pick
3. The Blues have roster spots open and available for youth, and have had for years already. There is no veteran holding them back from more ice time.
4. Celebrini's success does not explain away the problem.
5. Some of the teams are so strong that they are likely having a problem getting their prospects on NHL ice.

So the next time that Armstrong tells you that the prospects need more time, just realize that it is BLUES PROSPECTS that need more time, not ALL PROSPECTS.

Class dismissed.

Anyone can cherry pick stats to fit their agenda....
Here is an article from 18 months ago. The Blues are rated 4th overall in draft success.
Again, you HAVE NO CLUE and are a liar.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/wh ... the-draft/

[The Average Gatsby]

He keeps starting these nonesense threads because no one engages him when he starts a non-troll thread. But no one engages with his non-troll threads because everyone hates him due to his trolling. It’s a real chicken or the egg situation.

[BluesDom]

It is a tough spot that we are a middling team. We are typically in the playoffs and drafting mid 1st round or late first round.

RE 2024 Draft Class--Not many players impacting NHL.
See for yourself:
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2024e.html
Only 14 players played in NHL.


2023 Draft Class
35 players played in NHL. Blues are fine.
Out of the Blues class: Dvorsky and Stenberg are in NHL and seem like real winners. Not Superstars but good second line players for a decade or more imo.

Out of the rest of the drafted guys: Stancl, Lindstein, Pekarcik, Susuev, Burns--We shall see. Still optimistic we have depth to fill in.


Out of the 2022 class--Snuggerud is here. Kaskimaki--was here and im not Not sure if hes an NHL'er. May provide depth.

We havent hit a home run in the draft--however
Snuggerud, Broberg, Holloway, Neighbours, Dvorsky, Stenberg, Hofer, Possibly Mailloux --All are going to be very important good players.

We certainly lack the star players. IMO, It has been shown that you can win with 4 lines and a superstar isnt needed.

Although it would be real nice if one of our recently drafted players becomes a better player than Thomas or Kyrou.
IMO--the biggest problem has been production of Thomas, Kyrou, Buchnevich. Not looking like top liners. (outside of Thomas most of the time.)
Maybe Jiricek and Carbonneau can bring up the overall quality.

This team will have to win as a collective with quality up and down the 3 lines and a nasty 4th line with solid d (lots of prospects in the pipeline) and goaltending. (added Love as a future NHL goalie. and Hofer is young. Binner can win the big games.)


Im hopeful and optimistic.
We dont have Bedard, MacKinnin, Crosby, McDavid, Draisaitl, or Celebrini. But we do have lots of 1st rounders who can play 2 way hockey up and down the lineup. That is something.

[DawgDad]

I would guess the lion's share of those games goals and points come from TOP5 picks. It takes time for these players to develop when you're not drafting in the premium spots. Armstrong has repeatedly shown that his picks tend to perform better than their draft positions as Harry laid out. Give it some time to develop. It was never going to be a quick turnaround.

Bingo! The HUGE logic hole in Assogg's argument. Huge hole. Does he intentionally distort reason? He may at this point be so completely absorbed in his troll narrative he has become devoid of common sense.

[Harry S Deals]

I would guess the lion's share of those games goals and points come from TOP5 picks. It takes time for these players to develop when you're not drafting in the premium spots. Armstrong has repeatedly shown that his picks tend to perform better than their draft positions as Harry laid out. Give it some time to develop. It was never going to be a quick turnaround.

Bingo! The HUGE logic hole in Assogg's argument. Huge hole. Does he intentionally distort reason? He may at this point be so completely absorbed in his troll narrative he has become devoid of common sense.

We would all have loved Dvorsky to be a PPG center this year, Dvorksy is not Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith or Bedard he wasnt drafted in this position nor was he projected to go that high. He has played in fact better than i thought he would but the overall Blues offense as a team is weak so in turn DDs #s are fairly low. The Blues have done very well with the prospects they have chosen they will be parts of the next contender the Blues are now building whether these guys can be top line talent or do the Blues go acquire that guy remains to be seen.

[a smell of green grass]

It is a tough spot that we are a middling team. We are typically in the playoffs and drafting mid 1st round or late first round.

We dont have Bedard, MacKinnin, Crosby, McDavid, Draisaitl, or Celebrini. But we do have lots of 1st rounders who can play 2 way hockey up and down the lineup. That is something.

And herein lies the problem.

The Blues are QUITE HAPPY to be stuck in half bad/half good forever. They have been living there since Petro left after 2019. He was their star.

What does the future look like exactly?

The Blues are going to try to win a CUP like no other team does it. I can't think of a team that has won a Cup without some elite talent. And, best case, we MAY WIN AGAIN in 30 years are so. And DURING THAT 30 YEARS while we wait, all of the elite talent is on every team EXCEPT THE BLUES.

Is that what you want for St Louis Hockey? Is "having 4 lines of hard-working 2-way players" the only thing you want or need from our team?!

That does not work for me. I'm dropping out as a fan if that is the only return for my ticket price. I'm not paying the same price as Pittsburg fans, and they get Crosby, Malkin, Lemioux EVERY NIGHT, and we get Kyrou on the 3rd line.

[a smell of green grass]

Although it would be real nice if one of our recently drafted players becomes a better player than Thomas or Kyrou.
IMO--the biggest problem has been production of Thomas, Kyrou, Buchnevich. Not looking like top liners. (outside of Thomas most of the time.)
Maybe Jiricek and Carbonneau can bring up the overall quality.

Let me be the first to tell you. Thomas, Kyrou and Buchnevich play like their draft position foretells that they will. They are not elite. They are not solutions to win a CUP.

Dvorsky, Stenberg and the rest are nothing but younger Kyrous and Thomass. Not good enough to win a Cup.

So as we watch Armstrong try to win the Olympics with NOTHING BUT elite talent, we get to see him staffing our team to win a CUP with EVERYTHING BUT ELITE TALENT.

Somebody needs to ask Doug why he doesn't staff the Olympic team like he staffs his St Louis roster. I don't see an Olympics roster with 4 lines of 2-way average players.

[Jeff Goldblum]

Although it would be real nice if one of our recently drafted players becomes a better player than Thomas or Kyrou.
IMO--the biggest problem has been production of Thomas, Kyrou, Buchnevich. Not looking like top liners. (outside of Thomas most of the time.)
Maybe Jiricek and Carbonneau can bring up the overall quality.

Let me be the first to tell you. Thomas, Kyrou and Buchnevich play like their draft position foretells that they will. They are not elite. They are not solutions to win a CUP.

Dvorsky, Stenberg and the rest are nothing but younger Kyrous and Thomass. Not good enough to win a Cup.

So as we watch Armstrong try to win the Olympics with NOTHING BUT elite talent, we get to see him staffing our team to win a CUP with EVERYTHING BUT ELITE TALENT.

Somebody needs to ask Doug why he doesn't staff the Olympic team like he staffs his St Louis roster. I don't see an Olympics roster with 4 lines of 2-way average players.

Are you not aware of the vastly different parameters between rostering and national team vs an NHL team?

Furthermore, didn't you say just yesterday say that you were going to stop spamming the board??

[a smell of green grass]

Although it would be real nice if one of our recently drafted players becomes a better player than Thomas or Kyrou.
IMO--the biggest problem has been production of Thomas, Kyrou, Buchnevich. Not looking like top liners. (outside of Thomas most of the time.)
Maybe Jiricek and Carbonneau can bring up the overall quality.

Let me be the first to tell you. Thomas, Kyrou and Buchnevich play like their draft position foretells that they will. They are not elite. They are not solutions to win a CUP.

Dvorsky, Stenberg and the rest are nothing but younger Kyrous and Thomass. Not good enough to win a Cup.

So as we watch Armstrong try to win the Olympics with NOTHING BUT elite talent, we get to see him staffing our team to win a CUP with EVERYTHING BUT ELITE TALENT.

Somebody needs to ask Doug why he doesn't staff the Olympic team like he staffs his St Louis roster. I don't see an Olympics roster with 4 lines of 2-way average players.

Are you not aware of the vastly different parameters between rostering and national team vs an NHL team?

Furthermore, didn't you say just yesterday say that you were going to stop spamming the board??

I'm totally aware of the different constraints between rostering an Olympic team and an NHL team.

Here is the difference..

For an Olympics, you can and do staff the roster with elite talent at every position. Elite talent is what draws eyeballs to the game. Elite talent is how you win GOLD.

For the Stanley Cup, it is not possible to staff the roster with elite talent at every position. HOWEVER, you do try to staff the team with an many ELITE PLAYERS AS IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!! Colorado, Edmonton, and Florida each of 2 TOP5 picks that they selected.

So then the question for Army is....
Why are you not concerned with getting ELITE TALENT on the St Louis Team? NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you settle for that situation for 5+ years and counting?!

[Jeff Goldblum]

Although it would be real nice if one of our recently drafted players becomes a better player than Thomas or Kyrou.
IMO--the biggest problem has been production of Thomas, Kyrou, Buchnevich. Not looking like top liners. (outside of Thomas most of the time.)
Maybe Jiricek and Carbonneau can bring up the overall quality.

Let me be the first to tell you. Thomas, Kyrou and Buchnevich play like their draft position foretells that they will. They are not elite. They are not solutions to win a CUP.

Dvorsky, Stenberg and the rest are nothing but younger Kyrous and Thomass. Not good enough to win a Cup.

So as we watch Armstrong try to win the Olympics with NOTHING BUT elite talent, we get to see him staffing our team to win a CUP with EVERYTHING BUT ELITE TALENT.

Somebody needs to ask Doug why he doesn't staff the Olympic team like he staffs his St Louis roster. I don't see an Olympics roster with 4 lines of 2-way average players.

Are you not aware of the vastly different parameters between rostering and national team vs an NHL team?

Furthermore, didn't you say just yesterday say that you were going to stop spamming the board??

I'm totally aware of the different constraints between rostering an Olympic team and an NHL team.

Here is the difference..

For an Olympics, you can and do staff the roster with elite talent at every position. Elite talent is what draws eyeballs to the game. Elite talent is how you win GOLD.

For the Stanley Cup, it is not possible to staff the roster with elite talent at every position. HOWEVER, you do try to staff the team with an many ELITE PLAYERS AS IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!! Colorado, Edmonton, and Florida each of 2 TOP5 picks that they selected.

So then the question for Army is....
Why are you not concerned with getting ELITE TALENT on the St Louis Team? NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you settle for that situation for 5+ years and counting?!

Honestly, I dont really care that much. And people like you are making me care less and less.

[a smell of green grass]

Although it would be real nice if one of our recently drafted players becomes a better player than Thomas or Kyrou.
IMO--the biggest problem has been production of Thomas, Kyrou, Buchnevich. Not looking like top liners. (outside of Thomas most of the time.)
Maybe Jiricek and Carbonneau can bring up the overall quality.

Let me be the first to tell you. Thomas, Kyrou and Buchnevich play like their draft position foretells that they will. They are not elite. They are not solutions to win a CUP.

Dvorsky, Stenberg and the rest are nothing but younger Kyrous and Thomass. Not good enough to win a Cup.

So as we watch Armstrong try to win the Olympics with NOTHING BUT elite talent, we get to see him staffing our team to win a CUP with EVERYTHING BUT ELITE TALENT.

Somebody needs to ask Doug why he doesn't staff the Olympic team like he staffs his St Louis roster. I don't see an Olympics roster with 4 lines of 2-way average players.

Are you not aware of the vastly different parameters between rostering and national team vs an NHL team?

Furthermore, didn't you say just yesterday say that you were going to stop spamming the board??

I'm totally aware of the different constraints between rostering an Olympic team and an NHL team.

Here is the difference..

For an Olympics, you can and do staff the roster with elite talent at every position. Elite talent is what draws eyeballs to the game. Elite talent is how you win GOLD.

For the Stanley Cup, it is not possible to staff the roster with elite talent at every position. HOWEVER, you do try to staff the team with an many ELITE PLAYERS AS IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!! Colorado, Edmonton, and Florida each of 2 TOP5 picks that they selected.

So then the question for Army is....
Why are you not concerned with getting ELITE TALENT on the St Louis Team? NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you settle for that situation for 5+ years and counting?!

Honestly, I dont really care that much. And people like you are making me care less and less.

Fine. You and I have different expectations and requirements for the team.

However, I'm guessing that 95% of the fans in hockey agree with me. Every NHL city -- except St Louis -- wants elite players. I know that I am not asking for too much or being unreasonable.

[Jeff Goldblum]

Although it would be real nice if one of our recently drafted players becomes a better player than Thomas or Kyrou.
IMO--the biggest problem has been production of Thomas, Kyrou, Buchnevich. Not looking like top liners. (outside of Thomas most of the time.)
Maybe Jiricek and Carbonneau can bring up the overall quality.

Let me be the first to tell you. Thomas, Kyrou and Buchnevich play like their draft position foretells that they will. They are not elite. They are not solutions to win a CUP.

Dvorsky, Stenberg and the rest are nothing but younger Kyrous and Thomass. Not good enough to win a Cup.

So as we watch Armstrong try to win the Olympics with NOTHING BUT elite talent, we get to see him staffing our team to win a CUP with EVERYTHING BUT ELITE TALENT.

Somebody needs to ask Doug why he doesn't staff the Olympic team like he staffs his St Louis roster. I don't see an Olympics roster with 4 lines of 2-way average players.

Are you not aware of the vastly different parameters between rostering and national team vs an NHL team?

Furthermore, didn't you say just yesterday say that you were going to stop spamming the board??

I'm totally aware of the different constraints between rostering an Olympic team and an NHL team.

Here is the difference..

For an Olympics, you can and do staff the roster with elite talent at every position. Elite talent is what draws eyeballs to the game. Elite talent is how you win GOLD.

For the Stanley Cup, it is not possible to staff the roster with elite talent at every position. HOWEVER, you do try to staff the team with an many ELITE PLAYERS AS IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!! Colorado, Edmonton, and Florida each of 2 TOP5 picks that they selected.

So then the question for Army is....
Why are you not concerned with getting ELITE TALENT on the St Louis Team? NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you settle for that situation for 5+ years and counting?!

Honestly, I dont really care that much. And people like you are making me care less and less.

Fine. You and I have different expectations and requirements for the team.

However, I'm guessing that 95% of the fans in hockey agree with me. Every NHL city -- except St Louis -- wants elite players. I know that I am not asking for too much or being unreasonable.

No, you're just being an annoying jack[wagon].