NHL Draft Contribution to Blues Team Roster

[a smell of green grass]

As we sit and wait/wait/wait for Blues Prospects to mature and contribute, let's investigate what value other NHL teams are getting from the NHL Draft, and compare it to our team.

BluesTalkers claim that Army is a stellar NHL Draft GM, so let's see if the season results reflect that.
Army often touts that the best outcomes happen when you draft #15 or lower in Round 1. Let's see how much value he derives from using that approach DURING THE GREAT RE-WHATEVER.

Here are the facts regarding what values other teams and cities are getting from their NHL Prospects in comparison to the Blues:

All Teams 2023 Draft Picks
Games Played: 1,359
Goals: 312
Assists: 462
Points: 774

Blues 2023 Draft Picks (Dvorsky, Stenberg, Lindstein)
Games Played: 44
Goals: 6
Assists: 8
Points: 14

All Teams 2024 Draft Picks
Games Played: 389
Goals: 83
Assists: 172
Points: 255

Blues 2024 Draft Picks (Jiricek)
Games Played: 0
Goals: 0
Assists: 0
Points:0

Conclusion:
During the brief time span of Army's GREAT RE-WHATEVER, Blues fans have seen almost no results to cheer for. They have seen very little production from their rookies in the NHL. Blues fans have seen 14 NHL points from their prospects, while other cities have seen 1029 NHL points from their 2023/2024 prospects.

This is despite the fact of having 4 Round 1 picks (in Army's SWEET SPOT). This is despite the fact that the Blues have roster spots desperately awaiting youth--FOR YEARS. This is despite the fact that the Blues claim that the re-whatever is over. This despite the fact that OTHER TEAMS are NOT REBUILDING in this same time period. And the results are not just HITTING WITH A THUD in the NHL. The Blues AHL results are even more damning.

It's time to ask Doug Armstrong why. Before the mistakes of the 2023/2024/2025 are repeated in 2026, it's time to demand answers and changes in NHL draft strategy. When Army says that he wants to select #15 or lower, just realize that history will likely repeat, and you will SEE VERY LIMITED YOUTH SUCCESS in the lineup for many more years to come.

[ManitobaBlues]

Good Stuff

[skilles]

Good Stuff

Not really, the average 2023 draft pick currently has about 3 NHL points. The average 2024 draft pick has about 1 NHL point.

[a smell of green grass]

Good Stuff

Not really, the average 2023 draft pick currently has about 3 NHL points. The average 2024 draft pick has about 1 NHL point.

Talking about averages is only muddying the water. It hides the truth.

In the NHL, there are many teams that fall into one of 3 groups:

1. Great teams challenging for the CUP who have no roster spots open for prospects (Florida, Edmonton, Carolina, etc)
2. Very young teams that have been rebuilding for potentially years and have a large number prospects in the pipeline and on the NHL roster
3. Mediocre teams with solid Line 1 contributors.

These 3 profiles do not provide opportunities for the very youngest prospects. These 3 profiles do not fit the Blues.

In contrast...
The Blues are IN DESPERATE NEED FOR YOUTH for years--in all positions but especially in key positions.
The Blues best players are not equal to best players on other teams. Good prospects could easily find spots on Line 1 and 2.
The Blues are just leaving re-whatever mode.

Given the shape and age of the Blues Roster, the draft advantage that they had in 2023, their 2023/2024 NHL draft results have been ABSOLUTELY HORRID compared to all other teams.

It serves no purpose to dispute the facts. Instead, time should be spent on examining WHY THIS HAPPENED!

[Bubble4427]

As we sit and wait/wait/wait for Blues Prospects to mature and contribute, let's investigate what value other NHL teams are getting from the NHL Draft, and compare it to our team.

BluesTalkers claim that Army is a stellar NHL Draft GM, so let's see if the season results reflect that.
Army often touts that the best outcomes happen when you draft #15 or lower in Round 1. Let's see how much value he derives from using that approach DURING THE GREAT RE-WHATEVER.

Here are the facts regarding what values other teams and cities are getting from their NHL Prospects in comparison to the Blues:

All Teams 2023 Draft Picks
Games Played: 1,359
Goals: 312
Assists: 462
Points: 774

Blues 2023 Draft Picks (Dvorsky, Stenberg, Lindstein)
Games Played: 44
Goals: 6
Assists: 8
Points: 14

All Teams 2024 Draft Picks
Games Played: 389
Goals: 83
Assists: 172
Points: 255

Blues 2024 Draft Picks (Jiricek)
Games Played: 0
Goals: 0
Assists: 0
Points:0

Conclusion:
During the brief time span of Army's GREAT RE-WHATEVER, Blues fans have seen almost no results to cheer for. They have seen very little production from their rookies in the NHL. Blues fans have seen 14 NHL points from their prospects, while other cities have seen 1029 NHL points from their 2023/2024 prospects.

This is despite the fact of having 4 Round 1 picks (in Army's SWEET SPOT). This is despite the fact that the Blues have roster spots desperately awaiting youth--FOR YEARS. This is despite the fact that the Blues claim that the re-whatever is over. This despite the fact that OTHER TEAMS are NOT REBUILDING in this same time period. And the results are not just HITTING WITH A THUD in the NHL. The Blues AHL results are even more damning.

It's time to ask Doug Armstrong why. Before the mistakes of the 2023/2024/2025 are repeated in 2026, it's time to demand answers and changes in NHL draft strategy. When Army says that he wants to select #15 or lower, just realize that history will likely repeat, and you will SEE VERY LIMITED YOUTH SUCCESS in the lineup for many more years to come.

Didn't you promise 2 days ago to quit littering the board with the same type of threads that complain about the same thing?
Do you have dementia or are you just a compulsive liar?
Less than 48 hours.....

Another dumb thread.

[sdaltons]

This is apparently OP in "back off a bit" mode

[a smell of green grass]

As we sit and wait/wait/wait for Blues Prospects to mature and contribute, let's investigate what value other NHL teams are getting from the NHL Draft, and compare it to our team.

BluesTalkers claim that Army is a stellar NHL Draft GM, so let's see if the season results reflect that.
Army often touts that the best outcomes happen when you draft #15 or lower in Round 1. Let's see how much value he derives from using that approach DURING THE GREAT RE-WHATEVER.

Here are the facts regarding what values other teams and cities are getting from their NHL Prospects in comparison to the Blues:

All Teams 2023 Draft Picks
Games Played: 1,359
Goals: 312
Assists: 462
Points: 774

Blues 2023 Draft Picks (Dvorsky, Stenberg, Lindstein)
Games Played: 44
Goals: 6
Assists: 8
Points: 14

All Teams 2024 Draft Picks
Games Played: 389
Goals: 83
Assists: 172
Points: 255

Blues 2024 Draft Picks (Jiricek)
Games Played: 0
Goals: 0
Assists: 0
Points:0

Conclusion:
During the brief time span of Army's GREAT RE-WHATEVER, Blues fans have seen almost no results to cheer for. They have seen very little production from their rookies in the NHL. Blues fans have seen 14 NHL points from their prospects, while other cities have seen 1029 NHL points from their 2023/2024 prospects.

This is despite the fact of having 4 Round 1 picks (in Army's SWEET SPOT). This is despite the fact that the Blues have roster spots desperately awaiting youth--FOR YEARS. This is despite the fact that the Blues claim that the re-whatever is over. This despite the fact that OTHER TEAMS are NOT REBUILDING in this same time period. And the results are not just HITTING WITH A THUD in the NHL. The Blues AHL results are even more damning.

It's time to ask Doug Armstrong why. Before the mistakes of the 2023/2024/2025 are repeated in 2026, it's time to demand answers and changes in NHL draft strategy. When Army says that he wants to select #15 or lower, just realize that history will likely repeat, and you will SEE VERY LIMITED YOUTH SUCCESS in the lineup for many more years to come.

Didn't you promise 2 days ago to quit littering the board with the same type of threads that complain about the same thing?
Do you have dementia or are you just a compulsive liar?
Less than 48 hours.....

Another dumb thread.

Nowhere else on BluesTalk or the internet are you going to get a comparison of the production of our draft choices with other teams. I can't hide that from St Louis fans.

Instead of critiquing ASOGG, I suggest that you aim at somebody that is of way more interest to BluesTalkers. Any idea why Army is failing at introducing youthful impact into the lineup? I haven't seen a topic on that in BluesTalk. Maybe beat me to that punch tomorrow?!

[Jeff Goldblum]

As we sit and wait/wait/wait for Blues Prospects to mature and contribute, let's investigate what value other NHL teams are getting from the NHL Draft, and compare it to our team.

BluesTalkers claim that Army is a stellar NHL Draft GM, so let's see if the season results reflect that.
Army often touts that the best outcomes happen when you draft #15 or lower in Round 1. Let's see how much value he derives from using that approach DURING THE GREAT RE-WHATEVER.

Here are the facts regarding what values other teams and cities are getting from their NHL Prospects in comparison to the Blues:

All Teams 2023 Draft Picks
Games Played: 1,359
Goals: 312
Assists: 462
Points: 774

Blues 2023 Draft Picks (Dvorsky, Stenberg, Lindstein)
Games Played: 44
Goals: 6
Assists: 8
Points: 14

All Teams 2024 Draft Picks
Games Played: 389
Goals: 83
Assists: 172
Points: 255

Blues 2024 Draft Picks (Jiricek)
Games Played: 0
Goals: 0
Assists: 0
Points:0

Conclusion:
During the brief time span of Army's GREAT RE-WHATEVER, Blues fans have seen almost no results to cheer for. They have seen very little production from their rookies in the NHL. Blues fans have seen 14 NHL points from their prospects, while other cities have seen 1029 NHL points from their 2023/2024 prospects.

This is despite the fact of having 4 Round 1 picks (in Army's SWEET SPOT). This is despite the fact that the Blues have roster spots desperately awaiting youth--FOR YEARS. This is despite the fact that the Blues claim that the re-whatever is over. This despite the fact that OTHER TEAMS are NOT REBUILDING in this same time period. And the results are not just HITTING WITH A THUD in the NHL. The Blues AHL results are even more damning.

It's time to ask Doug Armstrong why. Before the mistakes of the 2023/2024/2025 are repeated in 2026, it's time to demand answers and changes in NHL draft strategy. When Army says that he wants to select #15 or lower, just realize that history will likely repeat, and you will SEE VERY LIMITED YOUTH SUCCESS in the lineup for many more years to come.

Didn't you promise 2 days ago to quit littering the board with the same type of threads that complain about the same thing?
Do you have dementia or are you just a compulsive liar?
Less than 48 hours.....

Another dumb thread.

+1

Exactly what I was thinking.

[fish]

Smelly is right!!!! I crunched the numbers, and every single year the Blues draft pick numbers paled in comparison to total number of points, games, and goals of the rest of the league combined. Not only that, but upon further research I found that EVERY single season the Blues have scored way less goals and won way fewer games than the rest of the league combined. Freaking Army just gets passes left and right from theater of Blues talk

[ManitobaBlues]

Good Stuff

Not really, the average 2023 draft pick currently has about 3 NHL points. The average 2024 draft pick has about 1 NHL point.

I was just saying thanks for sharing

[PWD8730]

If the OP is trying to tell everyone that Macklind Celebrini is a generational talent I agree. All the other stuff is trash. If his figures are right on the 2024 draft, the top three (Celebrini, Levshunov, and Sennecke) make up 210 games played, 64 goals, 121 assists, 185 points - the vast majority being Celebrini. So 64 of the 83 goals and 121 of the 172 assists. If you throw in Demidov (5th pick overall) 11/27/38 the numbers of the rest of the 251 draftees is about 0. None of these players were ever in reach for the Blues. Which is the way it works, young players still playing juniors or minors don't contribute right away. So only four organizations have benefited from the 2024 draft so far.

[BleedingBleu]

Smelly is right!!!! I crunched the numbers, and every single year the Blues draft pick numbers paled in comparison to total number of points, games, and goals of the rest of the league combined. Not only that, but upon further research I found that EVERY single season the Blues have scored way less goals and won way fewer games than the rest of the league combined. Freaking Army just gets passes left and right from theater of Blues talk

[somni]

If the OP is trying to tell everyone that Macklind Celebrini is a generational talent I agree. All the other stuff is trash. If his figures are right on the 2024 draft, the top three (Celebrini, Levshunov, and Sennecke) make up 210 games played, 64 goals, 121 assists, 185 points - the vast majority being Celebrini. So 64 of the 83 goals and 121 of the 172 assists. If you throw in Demidov (5th pick overall) 11/27/38 the numbers of the rest of the 251 draftees is about 0. None of these players were ever in reach for the Blues. Which is the way it works, young players still playing juniors or minors don't contribute right away. So only four organizations have benefited from the 2024 draft so far.

Yep. Context and details matter.

Look at Berkly Catton for the Kraken. He's the 2024 #8 pick. He finally scored his first goal in his 28th game. Good talent, it will just take him awhile to get there. Just like most kids.

And don't get me started on Shane Wright (2022, #4) and Matty Bernier (2021, #2).

[DawgDad]

As we sit and wait/wait/wait for Blues Prospects to mature and contribute, let's investigate what value other NHL teams are getting from the NHL Draft, and compare it to our team.

BluesTalkers claim that Army is a stellar NHL Draft GM, so let's see if the season results reflect that.
Army often touts that the best outcomes happen when you draft #15 or lower in Round 1. Let's see how much value he derives from using that approach DURING THE GREAT RE-WHATEVER.

Here are the facts regarding what values other teams and cities are getting from their NHL Prospects in comparison to the Blues:

All Teams 2023 Draft Picks
Games Played: 1,359
Goals: 312
Assists: 462
Points: 774

Blues 2023 Draft Picks (Dvorsky, Stenberg, Lindstein)
Games Played: 44
Goals: 6
Assists: 8
Points: 14

All Teams 2024 Draft Picks
Games Played: 389
Goals: 83
Assists: 172
Points: 255

Blues 2024 Draft Picks (Jiricek)
Games Played: 0
Goals: 0
Assists: 0
Points:0

Conclusion:
During the brief time span of Army's GREAT RE-WHATEVER, Blues fans have seen almost no results to cheer for. They have seen very little production from their rookies in the NHL. Blues fans have seen 14 NHL points from their prospects, while other cities have seen 1029 NHL points from their 2023/2024 prospects.

This is despite the fact of having 4 Round 1 picks (in Army's SWEET SPOT). This is despite the fact that the Blues have roster spots desperately awaiting youth--FOR YEARS. This is despite the fact that the Blues claim that the re-whatever is over. This despite the fact that OTHER TEAMS are NOT REBUILDING in this same time period. And the results are not just HITTING WITH A THUD in the NHL. The Blues AHL results are even more damning.

It's time to ask Doug Armstrong why. Before the mistakes of the 2023/2024/2025 are repeated in 2026, it's time to demand answers and changes in NHL draft strategy. When Army says that he wants to select #15 or lower, just realize that history will likely repeat, and you will SEE VERY LIMITED YOUTH SUCCESS in the lineup for many more years to come.

Incredibly stupid. On steroids.

Let's see, Assogg, if you're just a troll or if you truly lack intelligence. Tell me, what is the HUGE fundamental logic flaw in your argument, your statistical support? It is GLARINGLY apparent.

[Bubble4427]

As we sit and wait/wait/wait for Blues Prospects to mature and contribute, let's investigate what value other NHL teams are getting from the NHL Draft, and compare it to our team.

BluesTalkers claim that Army is a stellar NHL Draft GM, so let's see if the season results reflect that.
Army often touts that the best outcomes happen when you draft #15 or lower in Round 1. Let's see how much value he derives from using that approach DURING THE GREAT RE-WHATEVER.

Here are the facts regarding what values other teams and cities are getting from their NHL Prospects in comparison to the Blues:

All Teams 2023 Draft Picks
Games Played: 1,359
Goals: 312
Assists: 462
Points: 774

Blues 2023 Draft Picks (Dvorsky, Stenberg, Lindstein)
Games Played: 44
Goals: 6
Assists: 8
Points: 14

All Teams 2024 Draft Picks
Games Played: 389
Goals: 83
Assists: 172
Points: 255

Blues 2024 Draft Picks (Jiricek)
Games Played: 0
Goals: 0
Assists: 0
Points:0

Conclusion:
During the brief time span of Army's GREAT RE-WHATEVER, Blues fans have seen almost no results to cheer for. They have seen very little production from their rookies in the NHL. Blues fans have seen 14 NHL points from their prospects, while other cities have seen 1029 NHL points from their 2023/2024 prospects.

This is despite the fact of having 4 Round 1 picks (in Army's SWEET SPOT). This is despite the fact that the Blues have roster spots desperately awaiting youth--FOR YEARS. This is despite the fact that the Blues claim that the re-whatever is over. This despite the fact that OTHER TEAMS are NOT REBUILDING in this same time period. And the results are not just HITTING WITH A THUD in the NHL. The Blues AHL results are even more damning.

It's time to ask Doug Armstrong why. Before the mistakes of the 2023/2024/2025 are repeated in 2026, it's time to demand answers and changes in NHL draft strategy. When Army says that he wants to select #15 or lower, just realize that history will likely repeat, and you will SEE VERY LIMITED YOUTH SUCCESS in the lineup for many more years to come.

Didn't you promise 2 days ago to quit littering the board with the same type of threads that complain about the same thing?
Do you have dementia or are you just a compulsive liar?
Less than 48 hours.....

Another dumb thread.

Nowhere else on BluesTalk or the internet are you going to get a comparison of the production of our draft choices with other teams. I can't hide that from St Louis fans.

Instead of critiquing ASOGG, I suggest that you aim at somebody that is of way more interest to BluesTalkers. Any idea why Army is failing at introducing youthful impact into the lineup? I haven't seen a topic on that in BluesTalk. Maybe beat me to that punch tomorrow?!

You lied.
Its another trash Army thread and nothing more.
You're a one trick pony...or should a say one sick pony.
Army owns you 24/7

[Harry S Deals]

Super dumb thread again, lets look at drafts quickly during the Doug Armstrong era

2010 #16 Tarasenko 4th in his draft class in Pts and Goals
2010 #14 Schwartz 11th in Pts, 10th in Goals

2012 #33 Parayko 13th in Pts, 12th in GP

2014 #33 Barbashev 16th in Pts, 15th in Goals

2016 #26 Thompson 9th in Pts, 6th in Goals
2016 #35 Kyrou 10th in Pts, 9th Goals

2017 #20 Thomas 5th in Pts, 8th in Goals

2020 #26 Neighbours 8th in Goals

2021 #17 Zack Bolduc 10th in Goals

2022 #23 Snuggerud 14th in Pts

2023 #25 Stenberg 4th in +/-, 14th in Pts
2023 #10 Dvorsky 10th in Goal

So... once again as you can see the Blues have done a tremendous job drafting and developing their kids in this era. They wont need necessarily a "top 5" pick when the organization is this good at picking talent