Is there a team better than us with more than 4 rookies on it?

[Pierre McGuire]

I just don't know that I'm ready to sell on Faulk, I'm ready to turn it over to youth but man we gotta have something on d that gives these kids a chance to develop and succeed and we just don't have anything close on d.

Not only is it time to turn the page on Faulk, but its time to turn the page on Parayko as well. I’d rather hold onto Faulk for another year and get something of value for Parayko while we still can. Several guys need to go though.

I completely disagree, its time to move on from forwards but moving those d pieces just puts us in a giant hole that could take a decade to dig out of IMO.

Eventually Parayko will hold no value and the Blues will still be in the same boat. Why on earth would you want that? The biggest mistake a GM can make is holding on to depreciating asset too long which is what Parayko is at this point. You can set your future up so much better by moving him.
We are 7 years past our Cup run. We don’t need him anymore, he’s much more valuable to a team that’s close to a cup and willing to overpay for him.

Yup. Blues are going nowhere any time soon

You see no sense in waiting until someone is ready to replace him? I normally view your posts as level-headed and hockey-knowledgeable but this fails to sell me on the rationale. Right now a team should have to overwhelm the Blues with young top talent to poach Parayko and his very favorable contract.

His value is only going down and he ain’t gonna play forever and yes, you move him to a team that’s close to a cup and willing to overpay for him.

[TheHighHat]

I agree 100%

I equate Parayko to Seth Jones in the sense that neither guy is capable of being your top d-man.
CP55 has proven that here and Jones was considered a disaster in Chicago as their #1.

However, if you surround them with at least 2 other very good d-men like Petro & J-Bo or Forsling & Ekblad, then all of the sudden they shine because they are slotted correctly and don't have to do it all.

That's why Parayko looked so good for Canada at 4N. He was surrounded by very good to excellent d-men.
Let's hope he duplicates that again next month. Army can then sell high.
By the time we have 2 or 3 other really good d-men again, Parayko will be on the 18th hole.
BTW: Jones is actually a better all around d-man than Parayko. Jones plays in all situations.

CP55 would be a great add for any of these teams to be their #2 or #3 and make their top 4 dynamite:
Dallas has Heiskanen, Harley, and Lindell (all lefties)
Carolina has Slavin, Nikishin, and Miller (all lefties)
Ottawa has Sanderson, Chabot, and Zub (Chabot needs a better partner)
Vegas has Theodore & Hanifin (would be ironic if he took Petro's spot)

Carolina and Ottawa have the assets and are in the wide open East.
The Sens are also sitting on 2 good RHD prospects. They could also use Kyrou.

Army also must cash in his ticket on Faulk as many have stated.
Don't get recency bias and hold on to him.
I think we can get a 1st rounder for him.
Same with Schenn. I love the guy, but the time has come to move on from him.
Army blew it in June with Kyrou.

This will be 3 of the last 4 years that we miss the playoffs with these guys.
Acquire younger talent and picks to supplement our soon to be new younger core.
Yes, our right side will be weak for a couple of years, but you have to think macro.

I was pushing for the Blues to trade Saad 2-3 years ago and most disagreed. How did that play out?
He would have fetched at least a 2nd rounder. Not much you say? Better than nothing especially for a non playoff team.
Same with Buchnevich. A handful of us wanted him gone 3 years ago at his market top.
Now he is a rusty anchor that can't be retracted.

It's simple asset management.
You have to move on from most guys that currently have good trade value but aren't going to be here when we are ready to compete for a Cup again.

[Pierre McGuire]

I know I’ve said this before but thinking that the Blues as an organization can’t move on from Colton Parayko is mind boggling.

[TAFKAP]

I know I’ve said this before but thinking that the Blues as an organization can’t move on from Colton Parayko is mind boggling.

What type of return do you pull the trigger on? The MINIMUM you'd take to move him.

[DawgDad]

I just don't know that I'm ready to sell on Faulk, I'm ready to turn it over to youth but man we gotta have something on d that gives these kids a chance to develop and succeed and we just don't have anything close on d.

Not only is it time to turn the page on Faulk, but its time to turn the page on Parayko as well. I’d rather hold onto Faulk for another year and get something of value for Parayko while we still can. Several guys need to go though.

I completely disagree, its time to move on from forwards but moving those d pieces just puts us in a giant hole that could take a decade to dig out of IMO.

Eventually Parayko will hold no value and the Blues will still be in the same boat. Why on earth would you want that? The biggest mistake a GM can make is holding on to depreciating asset too long which is what Parayko is at this point. You can set your future up so much better by moving him.
We are 7 years past our Cup run. We don’t need him anymore, he’s much more valuable to a team that’s close to a cup and willing to overpay for him.

Yup. Blues are going nowhere any time soon

You see no sense in waiting until someone is ready to replace him? I normally view your posts as level-headed and hockey-knowledgeable but this fails to sell me on the rationale. Right now a team should have to overwhelm the Blues with young top talent to poach Parayko and his very favorable contract.

His value is only going down and he ain’t gonna play forever and yes, you move him to a team that’s close to a cup and willing to overpay for him.

It seems where we differ is in the urgency of trading him (Parayko). I don't view him as necessarily beig on a significant downside slope, and each season his contract becomes a better value as long as his play holds up.

Clearly there is a difference in Parayko this season vs last. On the flip side there is a similar difference in Faulk's play, and Parayko has dipped (back problem) and rebounded before. He is big, long stick, and he still skates extremely well for his size. He will, in my view, still be desirable next season and beyond.

Repeating myself, if a Cup contender wants Parayko this season they need to pay dearly. Very dearly. A lock under-25 top-6 center perhaps with a backfill RD and a #1?

[Pierre McGuire]

I know I’ve said this before but thinking that the Blues as an organization can’t move on from Colton Parayko is mind boggling.

What type of return do you pull the trigger on? The MINIMUM you'd take to move him.

A 1st round pick, organizations best prospect, plus 2nd round pick. Something along those lines. Would prefer a dman as the prospect but I want the best prospect possible.
Of course this depends on the organization we would deal with as well…noting that some organizations best prospect might be like a #3 prospect for another team.

[theograce]

I just don't know that I'm ready to sell on Faulk, I'm ready to turn it over to youth but man we gotta have something on d that gives these kids a chance to develop and succeed and we just don't have anything close on d.

Not only is it time to turn the page on Faulk, but its time to turn the page on Parayko as well. I’d rather hold onto Faulk for another year and get something of value for Parayko while we still can. Several guys need to go though.

I completely disagree, its time to move on from forwards but moving those d pieces just puts us in a giant hole that could take a decade to dig out of IMO.

Eventually Parayko will hold no value and the Blues will still be in the same boat. Why on earth would you want that? The biggest mistake a GM can make is holding on to depreciating asset too long which is what Parayko is at this point. You can set your future up so much better by moving him.
We are 7 years past our Cup run. We don’t need him anymore, he’s much more valuable to a team that’s close to a cup and willing to overpay for him.

Yup. Blues are going nowhere any time soon

You see no sense in waiting until someone is ready to replace him? I normally view your posts as level-headed and hockey-knowledgeable but this fails to sell me on the rationale. Right now a team should have to overwhelm the Blues with young top talent to poach Parayko and his very favorable contract.

It depends. Tell me what the offers are. I’m open for business like Armstrong is. You think he’s turning down calls on anyone?

And you use words like “overwhelm” … it’s dramatic. Nobody is giving you the world…it’s about positioning yourself moving forward, acknowledging your depreciating assets, projections … and what the market is.

[blues2112]

I have no answer to the OP's question, but it's a great way to look at the team. Montgomery's post-game comments frequently mention building a team based on what it means to be a "Blues player on and off the ice." That seemingly implies culture building long term is perhaps more important than necessarily than winning this year.

Great points here about 55, especially, and when to move him. I have no clue what the return would be — presuming he would waive NTC, which goes through 2027-28 season. His cap hit is tied for 42nd among D and tied for 135th overall. Those places will drop significantly by the end of his contract, regardless of where he is playing.

IMO, his contract value is fine, but does he fit in long term. If he does, how so?

[TAFKAP]

I know I’ve said this before but thinking that the Blues as an organization can’t move on from Colton Parayko is mind boggling.

What type of return do you pull the trigger on? The MINIMUM you'd take to move him.

A 1st round pick, organizations best prospect, plus 2nd round pick. Something along those lines. Would prefer a dman as the prospect but I want the best prospect possible.
Of course this depends on the organization we would deal with as well…noting that some organizations best prospect might be like a #3 prospect for another team.

Ok, at that point I 100% agree. If that's the LEAST we get. I honestly don't believe a 30 something point 32 year old Dman brings that. That's why I say i'm against trading hm. CP55 is worth more than a late first and a JAG. Others talk like this is the offer we pull the trigger on. Nope. Let him retire a Blue if it's not a gross overpayment.

[AtillaTheBlue1]

lol

[BalotelliMassive]

Guys coming into the season with less than 25 games played.

Snuggerud
Dvorsky
Stenberg
Mailloux

That's a lot of raw talent to gel into an NHL lineup that hopes to make the playoffs.

I hope the Olympic break is good to us, because the compacted schedule is a complete [fustercluck].

San Jose

[BalotelliMassive]

According to this a lot of teams have four rookies:

https://www.poolexpert.com/en/gstat.asp ... lid=1&sp=2

[IsDurbanodoingtime]

I just don't know that I'm ready to sell on Faulk, I'm ready to turn it over to youth but man we gotta have something on d that gives these kids a chance to develop and succeed and we just don't have anything close on d.

Not only is it time to turn the page on Faulk, but its time to turn the page on Parayko as well. I’d rather hold onto Faulk for another year and get something of value for Parayko while we still can. Several guys need to go though.

There is no rush to trade either parayko and/or Faulk. See where we are at the deadline and the offers. They can easily be traded in the offseason as well when more flexibility exists to take on a contract.

[blackinkbiz]

I know I’ve said this before but thinking that the Blues as an organization can’t move on from Colton Parayko is mind boggling.

What type of return do you pull the trigger on? The MINIMUM you'd take to move him.

A 1st round pick, organizations best prospect, plus 2nd round pick. Something along those lines. Would prefer a dman as the prospect but I want the best prospect possible.
Of course this depends on the organization we would deal with as well…noting that some organizations best prospect might be like a #3 prospect for another team.

Only way Blues get that return is 55 starts showing he WAS injured first half of this season and he refinds the near-Norris-level play he showed last season.

Either way, though, likely a moot point, as he has full NTC through 28 and Army's stated several times Colton's the type of Dman that as soon as you trade him, you start looking for someone just like him to replace the void. Ie... Army views him as untradable--for the most part.

[theograce]

I know I’ve said this before but thinking that the Blues as an organization can’t move on from Colton Parayko is mind boggling.

What type of return do you pull the trigger on? The MINIMUM you'd take to move him.

A 1st round pick, organizations best prospect, plus 2nd round pick. Something along those lines. Would prefer a dman as the prospect but I want the best prospect possible.
Of course this depends on the organization we would deal with as well…noting that some organizations best prospect might be like a #3 prospect for another team.

Ok, at that point I 100% agree. If that's the LEAST we get. I honestly don't believe a 30 something point 32 year old Dman brings that. That's why I say i'm against trading hm. CP55 is worth more than a late first and a JAG. Others talk like this is the offer we pull the trigger on. Nope. Let him retire a Blue if it's not a gross overpayment.

People know who Parayko is. He’s a large, good skating, shutdown defender who can PK, close out games and eat 22+ minutes. He is durable and has playoff/big game experience.

Lots of value in that.

[DawgDad]

I know I’ve said this before but thinking that the Blues as an organization can’t move on from Colton Parayko is mind boggling.

What type of return do you pull the trigger on? The MINIMUM you'd take to move him.

A 1st round pick, organizations best prospect, plus 2nd round pick. Something along those lines. Would prefer a dman as the prospect but I want the best prospect possible.
Of course this depends on the organization we would deal with as well…noting that some organizations best prospect might be like a #3 prospect for another team.

See? We aren't that far apart, though at this stage good young top prospects are far more valuable to the Blues than a contenders late first round pick. Yes, depends on the specific players. No need to sell Parayko, either, if a good deal can't be struck. No coming back empty-handed on a Knies or better.