2026 is Donny still Fire Hot

[Goldfan]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

[Hoosier59]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Well, let’s see, Roby, Rom, and, Robberse have been injured. King was pretty good until last season when he too had injury issues. Prieto hasn’t been given a chance. Svenson was outstanding! Saggese was finally given regular playing time and showed improvement. He’s still quite young.
The biggest issue with those trades has been the health of the pitching acquired, and that’s why I am not as enthusiastic about the pitching acquired so far this off-season. Many of these players have a history of health issues as well. If they all stay healthy, they could be decent pitchers, however, we could say the same thing about Roby, Rom, King,and Robberse!

[renostl]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Close to 3/4 of minor leaguers don't make it. I’m sure that you are aware of that as well as I. Is it the over hype in each individual case or is it the process or both?
Those trades brought back more valuable pieces than those let go. They were on expiring terms. They also did little in to change the payroll.
The payroll is about fully reset. How they choose to reassert it I am as unsure as anybody. I do feel that thus for nobody has been moved that created better Cardinals future. IF between all the players dealt up to now bring back 25% productive players and in addition bring freedom in roster construction that better than going down with the ship with WC and SG.
All methods will be needed to be used in order to improve the Cardinals including FA. imo.

[OldRed]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Close to 3/4 of minor leaguers don't make it. I’m sure that you are aware of that as well as I. Is it the over hype in each individual case or is it the process or both?
Those trades brought back more valuable pieces than those let go. They were on expiring terms. They also did little in to change the payroll.
The payroll is about fully reset. How they choose to reassert it I am as unsure as anybody. I do feel that thus for nobody has been moved that created better Cardinals future. IF between all the players dealt up to now bring back 25% productive players and in addition bring freedom in roster construction that better than going down with the ship with WC and SG.
All methods will be needed to be used in order to improve the Cardinals including FA. imo.

Actually, it's only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors.

[Goldfan]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Close to 3/4 of minor leaguers don't make it. I’m sure that you are aware of that as well as I. Is it the over hype in each individual case or is it the process or both?
Those trades brought back more valuable pieces than those let go. They were on expiring terms. They also did little in to change the payroll.
The payroll is about fully reset. How they choose to reassert it I am as unsure as anybody. I do feel that thus for nobody has been moved that created better Cardinals future. IF between all the players dealt up to now bring back 25% productive players and in addition bring freedom in roster construction that better than going down with the ship with WC and SG.
All methods will be needed to be used in order to improve the Cardinals including FA. imo.

Actually, it's only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors.

So again…..this narrative that returning mid level prospects are somehow going to forge the core that will emerge in ‘27 is laughable. The ONLY way that top MLB talent will be on the Busch field is to buy it and then fill in around with farm hands. Just like has taken place for decades.

[renostl]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Close to 3/4 of minor leaguers don't make it. I’m sure that you are aware of that as well as I. Is it the over hype in each individual case or is it the process or both?
Those trades brought back more valuable pieces than those let go. They were on expiring terms. They also did little in to change the payroll.
The payroll is about fully reset. How they choose to reassert it I am as unsure as anybody. I do feel that thus for nobody has been moved that created better Cardinals future. IF between all the players dealt up to now bring back 25% productive players and in addition bring freedom in roster construction that better than going down with the ship with WC and SG.
All methods will be needed to be used in order to improve the Cardinals including FA. imo.

Actually, it's only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors.

I was using the top 3 round pick guys but yeah it
why you need some depth.
It's also supports why some don't embrace trades for prospects.

[renostl]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Close to 3/4 of minor leaguers don't make it. I’m sure that you are aware of that as well as I. Is it the over hype in each individual case or is it the process or both?
Those trades brought back more valuable pieces than those let go. They were on expiring terms. They also did little in to change the payroll.
The payroll is about fully reset. How they choose to reassert it I am as unsure as anybody. I do feel that thus for nobody has been moved that created better Cardinals future. IF between all the players dealt up to now bring back 25% productive players and in addition bring freedom in roster construction that better than going down with the ship with WC and SG.
All methods will be needed to be used in order to improve the Cardinals including FA. imo.

Actually, it's only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors.

So again…..this narrative that returning mid level prospects are somehow going to forge the core that will emerge in ‘27 is laughable. The ONLY way that top MLB talent will be on the Busch field is to buy it and then fill in around with farm hands. Just like has taken place for decades.

There are only a very few who actually think that enough prospects will develop all at the same time.

The thing is that the Cards don't have many at all on roster. They won't buy an entire roster. Buying part of a roster without having depth is a .500.

That's the most recent decade of Cards baseball. Also not the '27 Yankees, also laughable or sad

All things need to be successful and most importantly the Cardinals will not buy an entire roster. What they can or can not do is irrelevant.

[rockondlouie]

Yes he is.

Any team that's had discussions is still hot to trot for Donny.

C. Bloom is just playing it smart, not lowering his price just to satisfy some fans antsy for a deal.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Close to 3/4 of minor leaguers don't make it. I’m sure that you are aware of that as well as I. Is it the over hype in each individual case or is it the process or both?
Those trades brought back more valuable pieces than those let go. They were on expiring terms. They also did little in to change the payroll.
The payroll is about fully reset. How they choose to reassert it I am as unsure as anybody. I do feel that thus for nobody has been moved that created better Cardinals future. IF between all the players dealt up to now bring back 25% productive players and in addition bring freedom in roster construction that better than going down with the ship with WC and SG.
All methods will be needed to be used in order to improve the Cardinals including FA. imo.

Actually, it's only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors.

So again…..this narrative that returning mid level prospects are somehow going to forge the core that will emerge in ‘27 is laughable. The ONLY way that top MLB talent will be on the Busch field is to buy it and then fill in around with farm hands. Just like has taken place for decades.

There are only a very few who actually think that enough prospects will develop all at the same time.

The thing is that the Cards don't have many at all on roster. They won't buy an entire roster. Buying part of a roster without having depth is a .500.

That's the most recent decade of Cards baseball. Also not the '27 Yankees, also laughable or sad

All things need to be successful and most importantly the Cardinals will not buy an entire roster. What they can or can not do is irrelevant.

If 3/4 shake out and don’t make it, you have to paths- develop very few and one is a star maybe, or saturate, bettering the odds one will develop.

[Cusecards]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Close to 3/4 of minor leaguers don't make it. I’m sure that you are aware of that as well as I. Is it the over hype in each individual case or is it the process or both?
Those trades brought back more valuable pieces than those let go. They were on expiring terms. They also did little in to change the payroll.
The payroll is about fully reset. How they choose to reassert it I am as unsure as anybody. I do feel that thus for nobody has been moved that created better Cardinals future. IF between all the players dealt up to now bring back 25% productive players and in addition bring freedom in roster construction that better than going down with the ship with WC and SG.
All methods will be needed to be used in order to improve the Cardinals including FA. imo.

Actually, it's only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors.

So again…..this narrative that returning mid level prospects are somehow going to forge the core that will emerge in ‘27 is laughable. The ONLY way that top MLB talent will be on the Busch field is to buy it and then fill in around with farm hands. Just like has taken place for decades.

There are only a very few who actually think that enough prospects will develop all at the same time.

The thing is that the Cards don't have many at all on roster. They won't buy an entire roster. Buying part of a roster without having depth is a .500.

That's the most recent decade of Cards baseball. Also not the '27 Yankees, also laughable or sad

All things need to be successful and most importantly the Cardinals will not buy an entire roster. What they can or can not do is irrelevant.

I commend you for your attempt at education considering you KNOW exactly who you are dealing with!

[ecleme22]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Close to 3/4 of minor leaguers don't make it. I’m sure that you are aware of that as well as I. Is it the over hype in each individual case or is it the process or both?
Those trades brought back more valuable pieces than those let go. They were on expiring terms. They also did little in to change the payroll.
The payroll is about fully reset. How they choose to reassert it I am as unsure as anybody. I do feel that thus for nobody has been moved that created better Cardinals future. IF between all the players dealt up to now bring back 25% productive players and in addition bring freedom in roster construction that better than going down with the ship with WC and SG.
All methods will be needed to be used in order to improve the Cardinals including FA. imo.

Actually, it's only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors.

I bet it’s significantly higher for minor leaguers involved in trades.

[OldRed]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Close to 3/4 of minor leaguers don't make it. I’m sure that you are aware of that as well as I. Is it the over hype in each individual case or is it the process or both?
Those trades brought back more valuable pieces than those let go. They were on expiring terms. They also did little in to change the payroll.
The payroll is about fully reset. How they choose to reassert it I am as unsure as anybody. I do feel that thus for nobody has been moved that created better Cardinals future. IF between all the players dealt up to now bring back 25% productive players and in addition bring freedom in roster construction that better than going down with the ship with WC and SG.
All methods will be needed to be used in order to improve the Cardinals including FA. imo.

Actually, it's only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors.

I bet it’s significantly higher for minor leaguers involved in trades.

Couldn't be much if only about 10% of the more than 7,000 minor league baseball players make it to the majors.

[ecleme22]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Close to 3/4 of minor leaguers don't make it. I’m sure that you are aware of that as well as I. Is it the over hype in each individual case or is it the process or both?
Those trades brought back more valuable pieces than those let go. They were on expiring terms. They also did little in to change the payroll.
The payroll is about fully reset. How they choose to reassert it I am as unsure as anybody. I do feel that thus for nobody has been moved that created better Cardinals future. IF between all the players dealt up to now bring back 25% productive players and in addition bring freedom in roster construction that better than going down with the ship with WC and SG.
All methods will be needed to be used in order to improve the Cardinals including FA. imo.

Actually, it's only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors.

So again…..this narrative that returning mid level prospects are somehow going to forge the core that will emerge in ‘27 is laughable. The ONLY way that top MLB talent will be on the Busch field is to buy it and then fill in around with farm hands. Just like has taken place for decades.

You said earlier: Donny is a good player but not a game changer.

Would Bloom love to build a core internally and have a bunch of game changers? Sure. But the roster simply needs more good players.

By 2027, will be good. In 2026, you might be surprised.

[renostl]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Close to 3/4 of minor leaguers don't make it. I’m sure that you are aware of that as well as I. Is it the over hype in each individual case or is it the process or both?
Those trades brought back more valuable pieces than those let go. They were on expiring terms. They also did little in to change the payroll.
The payroll is about fully reset. How they choose to reassert it I am as unsure as anybody. I do feel that thus for nobody has been moved that created better Cardinals future. IF between all the players dealt up to now bring back 25% productive players and in addition bring freedom in roster construction that better than going down with the ship with WC and SG.
All methods will be needed to be used in order to improve the Cardinals including FA. imo.

Actually, it's only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors.

I bet it’s significantly higher for minor leaguers involved in trades.

I think so.
There's more track. More like dealing with high rounders versus the statistics of all
rounds.

[renostl]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Close to 3/4 of minor leaguers don't make it. I’m sure that you are aware of that as well as I. Is it the over hype in each individual case or is it the process or both?
Those trades brought back more valuable pieces than those let go. They were on expiring terms. They also did little in to change the payroll.
The payroll is about fully reset. How they choose to reassert it I am as unsure as anybody. I do feel that thus for nobody has been moved that created better Cardinals future. IF between all the players dealt up to now bring back 25% productive players and in addition bring freedom in roster construction that better than going down with the ship with WC and SG.
All methods will be needed to be used in order to improve the Cardinals including FA. imo.

Actually, it's only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors.

So again…..this narrative that returning mid level prospects are somehow going to forge the core that will emerge in ‘27 is laughable. The ONLY way that top MLB talent will be on the Busch field is to buy it and then fill in around with farm hands. Just like has taken place for decades.

There are only a very few who actually think that enough prospects will develop all at the same time.

The thing is that the Cards don't have many at all on roster. They won't buy an entire roster. Buying part of a roster without having depth is a .500.

That's the most recent decade of Cards baseball. Also not the '27 Yankees, also laughable or sad

All things need to be successful and most importantly the Cardinals will not buy an entire roster. What they can or can not do is irrelevant.

I commend you for your attempt at education considering you KNOW exactly who you are dealing with!

I've done nothing to earn any praise.
I attempt to only challenge opinions.

Gold has made some good points in the past and has
influenced opinions in the past. Hopefully he may do that
again. To date, on this topic, no change yet.

[Goldfan]

Bloom should make a trade regardless of whether or not he receives what he wants in return so Goldfan can spend the next couple of months complaining that the Cards didn't get enough for Donovan.

+1 lol when Sonny and Contreras were signed he whined and complained about it said it was a waste of money then would post constantly about how much they suck and were a waste of money then bloom trades them and he immediately started whining and complaining saying they didn’t get anything for the players he said sucked. He for years said how much O’Neil sucks and how stupid mo was for keeping him mo traded him he hit 30 home runs elsewhere and the whole season he was saying how stupid mo was for trading him. He’s saying no one wants Donovan and he’s not much of a player but once he’s traded he will immediately be whining and complaining about how bloom traded him and how he didn’t get anything back for him.

Oz, you’re better than that. With WC and Gray I said they were old, not as productive and impactful as portrayed, and wasn’t sad to see them go. I pointed out that the prospect return wasn’t much and their salary slots were(dumped) gone. TO was/is a walking injury who isn’t a very good hitter and an over rated fielder and I NEVER complained about losing him. Tighten up your storylines. Donny is a good player but not a game changer and probably won’t return the foundational prospects I’ve been hearing about since the WS ended. But I guess we’ll see…. The point of this thread is determining whether he’s still HOT now that ‘26 is here

Absolutely 100% true what I said. You started entire threads slamming Contreras over and over talked about how much underperforming he was as a first baseman said how stupid it was to sign him slammed gray over and over then when they are traded were you happy about it? Nope started whining and complaining about it and have been since. Same with O’Neil you absolutely when he was hitting his 30 home runs were complaining mo traded him. And you absurdly think that if a player hasn’t been traded or signed that means no one wants them or they aren’t a hot commodity and even start an entire absurd thread about it

I’m not sure about your comprehension…..yes I said often that WC and Gray were not good or appropriate signings…..and it proved out. I’m glad they’re gone…are you with me so far??? MY ISSUE IS That their salary slots have been evaporated. You celebrate that because you think Cards are restocking farm system…..I disagree that they are adding quality, and if they’re not who cares if they’re adding bodies. And I have never said I missed TO. Ole TO has managed to play over 100games twice in his illustrious career……he’ll be 31 this season

The verdict will be out for a while as to how much quality was added.
There's a chance that between the pitches that have and may be added that
the Cards get more quality starts in 2026 than Gray will give in 2026, which is a step
forward.

The odds of them adding any significant players with Gray, Contreras, Donovan,
and Arenado on the roster with their stated goals is probably near zero. What occurs
with a clean slate, we get to watch in real time.

To the point of your thread. We both understand the market. The lower the price
the hotter the market. As the price goes up many drop out. That's a little dynamic
if other options are added or subtracted in the market. Is that your definition of a cooling
market? Donovan has a ceiling in his return. I've maintained that POV,
but don't all? I expect a player considered good. It's possible that's already
been offered, all we really know is that Blooms favorite return has yet to
be offered.

In 2 separate seasons they traded half of their pitching staff…..the immediate reaction was they were returning much needed prospects that could break through soon….then it degraded to “not much was expected back because Cards were trading FA……what have we seen-Sagesse?? The same euphoria happened this offseason…..with expectations scaling back with a general reaction to everything being “it’s a rebuild”. Well if nothing or very little talent is ultimately returned…..when exactly is this rebuild going to start? Most of the marketable trade pieces will be gone, so whats the plan then? Tank so top draft talent can eventually populate the ML roster. That’s a multi multi year process.

Close to 3/4 of minor leaguers don't make it. I’m sure that you are aware of that as well as I. Is it the over hype in each individual case or is it the process or both?
Those trades brought back more valuable pieces than those let go. They were on expiring terms. They also did little in to change the payroll.
The payroll is about fully reset. How they choose to reassert it I am as unsure as anybody. I do feel that thus for nobody has been moved that created better Cardinals future. IF between all the players dealt up to now bring back 25% productive players and in addition bring freedom in roster construction that better than going down with the ship with WC and SG.
All methods will be needed to be used in order to improve the Cardinals including FA. imo.

Actually, it's only about 10 to 15 percent of players who reach the minor leagues actually make it to the majors.

So again…..this narrative that returning mid level prospects are somehow going to forge the core that will emerge in ‘27 is laughable. The ONLY way that top MLB talent will be on the Busch field is to buy it and then fill in around with farm hands. Just like has taken place for decades.

You said earlier: Donny is a good player but not a game changer.

Would Bloom love to build a core internally and have a bunch of game changers? Sure. But the roster simply needs more good players.

By 2027, will be good. In 2026, you might be surprised.

Donny is a good player and the return for Donny will most likely be an on par Donny skill level. Yes a younger cheaper version and through out all my posts through Many threads this has been the point. Where is the upgrade? The ascension that needs to happen…..most likely that will need to come from established MLB talent. Either NOW supplementing the Good young talent already in the lineup OR at some later date when some of that talent might be gone…..replaced hopefully by a drafted or traded prospect….but this notion that almost a complete competitive ML team is going to emerge from these Bloom trades and a couple drafts is laughable.