Trade Donovan and Gorman to Seattle

[ICCFIM2]

Take Gorman and Pallante out and add JoJo and I’d do it. Everything I’ve read is that Seattle won’t trade any of Colt Emerson, Kade Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and Michael Arroyo though and they’re rumored to have offered one of Montes/Cijntje plus a couple of fringe prospects which I wouldn’t do if I was Bloom.

Well, if the Mariners won't part with any of Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, Arroyo, and none of the 7 pitchers who started for them last year, then Bloom should just tell them to pound sand.

I agree but I don’t really blame them. I’d rather use those chips to get Marte rather than Donny but it seems like the D-Backs are going to keep Marte.

They won't spend them for Marte either. Arizona wants major league ready pitching. Seattle isn't about to do that.

I kind of don’t blame either side. Seattle’s window to make the World Series is now and trading from their major league rotation would make that harder to do.

I agree with that. They have a window where they are legit World Series contenders. Their young, quality, cost-controlled rotation is the backbone of that contention. They should keep it. Their window will be adversely affected as these pitchers are now reaching arbitration and becoming more expensive. Some are developing health concerns, some will leave in 2-4 years via free agency. They should use at least some of their prospects to augment their window, unless they think they have enough prospects to seamlessly slide into a new window. The lower acquisition cost makes Donovan a better fit for them than Marte.

I agree with this. They are in their window to win. Donovan may not put them over the top, but, he makes the team better. To me an Arroyo Cijntje trade makes sense. I have read in various places the Mariners don't want to trade Arroyo. The trade value for both those players is 34.5 compared to Donovan's 31.5. The Mariners keep their #1 prospect, Colt Emerson, who probably is not quite ready. But an IF of Emerson 3B, Crawford SS, Donovan 2B and Naylor 1B is pretty good. If their former #1 prospect, Cole Young figures it out, Donovan can move to LF.

In return, the Cards get Arroyo, who we hope can become Donovan in 2 years. Cijntje, who might be good or might be the next Tink Hence. Cole Young is also the reason the Cards need 2 55 prospects for Donovan. Young was a 55 and his first ML season went poorly. Even this deal could end up where the Cards literally end up with nothing for Donovan. For the Mariners, it seems like a no brainer deal. But apparently based on various reports, the Mariners will not offer that.

[Shady]

How about 22 year old outfielder, Dickerson, coming from Seattle in a Donovan trade? I've read he has enormous potential.https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 6_43270606

[craviduce]

How about 22 year old outfielder, Dickerson, coming from Seattle in a Donovan trade? I've read he has enormous potential.https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 6_43270606

I watched Taylor and Dickerson a few times last year with IU. They're good. Both should've been drafted higher, but each had scouts questioning certain things. Dickerson's was his lack of facing good fastballs in the Big 10. Would the power come? He'll likely hit for average, but there's a serious question mark to his power tool...including doubles. Seattle has a good R&D department, they'll likely get the best out of him...as to what that will be? Again, it's a question mark.

That being said...I like the kid. But I don't think he'll fast track...maybe a 2 year project, maybe 3... sometime 2028, late 2027 if he takes off.

[jackclark57]

I'm thinking the Cardinals are insisting on Anderson or Sloan in the Donovan deal and aren't as high on Cijntje.

I think Bloom will not trade Donovan unless he gets at least one pitcher he likes a lot -- someone with upside and a little more certainty than Clarke.

The second player back will probably be a position player.

I don't think Bloom wants to make a trade without a top pitcher return.

If Mariners continue to balk, not sure the Giants fit the bill. RedSox maybe.

[renostl]

I'm thinking the Cardinals are insisting on Anderson or Sloan in the Donovan deal and aren't as high on Cijntje.

I think Bloom will not trade Donovan unless he gets at least one pitcher he likes a lot -- someone with upside and a little more certainty than Clarke.

The second player back will probably be a position player.

I don't think Bloom wants to make a trade without a top pitcher return.

If Mariners continue to balk, not sure the Giants fit the bill. RedSox maybe.

It is an interesting situation and we really don't know the full
offer if any.

Pitching is golden, Donovan has a ceiling.
Getting over value for Donovan more likely in position
players than pitchers with that probably wrong rationale.
Bloom would need to add to Donnie if true.

Each organization has pitchers they aren't likely to trade. In Seattle's
I have doubt that any pitcher ranked higher than Cijntje is going to be
obtainable for BD alone. So Bloom wanting a higher pitcher
can be understood but it is also a kill shot and further dialogue seems unlikely
and a waste of time. IMO, if they are still talking this part of the deal isn't the
hang up.

[cardinalsfan27]

Take Gorman and Pallante out and add JoJo and I’d do it. Everything I’ve read is that Seattle won’t trade any of Colt Emerson, Kade Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and Michael Arroyo though and they’re rumored to have offered one of Montes/Cijntje plus a couple of fringe prospects which I wouldn’t do if I was Bloom.

Well, if the Mariners won't part with any of Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, Arroyo, and none of the 7 pitchers who started for them last year, then Bloom should just tell them to pound sand.

I agree but I don’t really blame them. I’d rather use those chips to get Marte rather than Donny but it seems like the D-Backs are going to keep Marte.

Forget about Marte:

GM Mike Hazen made waves yesterday in that corner of the market, however, when he noted that he plans to put an end to conversations regarding a Marte trade in the near future. Hazen’s suggestion was that the club simply pulling Marte off the table for negotiations was a more likely outcome than a trade coming together at this point.

Yep, I read that earlier. I don’t blame them for wanting to keep him or for saying that to try and get someone to overpay for him.

Two things may have truth at the same time.
AZ can't remain paralyzed for long in putting together a 2026 roster.

So might be attempting one last call to teams he's talked to make a move.
They may also still like to deal him, he after all was a public plan A.

Yep, Cards are in the same position with Donovan. If they don’t get what they want they can keep him.

They do not.
But,,is BD destined to be a FA? BD knows, maybe Bloom does too.

There is a definite ceiling on this player. IMO
he has much more value in Seattle than St. Louis. Seattle could grab BD and then either
re-sign Suarez or go after Okamoto. A solid 2 more seasons of run at division titles with
known costs.

If St. Louis doesn't deal him they will not be in as much of an advantageous
position in attempting to move a different player.

Oh I agree but you’d still have two trade deadlines and an offseason to trade him. He could have just as much value at this trade deadline as he does right now if the right team feels like they can make a run.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Im the first guy to point out that we over value Donovan. But unless Seattle changes their tune on who they will part with, I'm looking for a different deal. If they really want Donovan, they will blink. He's the best offensive upgrade they can obtain with prospects. They don't have money for the other guys. Unless they decide to stand pat, which i doubt.

Seattle has money. Just frugal. They ponied up for Naylor and still have 3b to address

Nado?

[renostl]

Take Gorman and Pallante out and add JoJo and I’d do it. Everything I’ve read is that Seattle won’t trade any of Colt Emerson, Kade Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and Michael Arroyo though and they’re rumored to have offered one of Montes/Cijntje plus a couple of fringe prospects which I wouldn’t do if I was Bloom.

Well, if the Mariners won't part with any of Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, Arroyo, and none of the 7 pitchers who started for them last year, then Bloom should just tell them to pound sand.

I agree but I don’t really blame them. I’d rather use those chips to get Marte rather than Donny but it seems like the D-Backs are going to keep Marte.

Forget about Marte:

GM Mike Hazen made waves yesterday in that corner of the market, however, when he noted that he plans to put an end to conversations regarding a Marte trade in the near future. Hazen’s suggestion was that the club simply pulling Marte off the table for negotiations was a more likely outcome than a trade coming together at this point.

Yep, I read that earlier. I don’t blame them for wanting to keep him or for saying that to try and get someone to overpay for him.

Two things may have truth at the same time.
AZ can't remain paralyzed for long in putting together a 2026 roster.

So might be attempting one last call to teams he's talked to make a move.
They may also still like to deal him, he after all was a public plan A.

Yep, Cards are in the same position with Donovan. If they don’t get what they want they can keep him.

They do not.
But,,is BD destined to be a FA? BD knows, maybe Bloom does too.

There is a definite ceiling on this player. IMO
he has much more value in Seattle than St. Louis. Seattle could grab BD and then either
re-sign Suarez or go after Okamoto. A solid 2 more seasons of run at division titles with
known costs.

If St. Louis doesn't deal him they will not be in as much of an advantageous
position in attempting to move a different player.

Oh I agree but you’d still have two trade deadlines and an offseason to trade him. He could have just as much value at this trade deadline as he does right now if the right team feels like they can make a run.

One of his traits is his consistency.
He will likely still be tradeable even 2 deadlines from
now. Bloom will be the one who knows how wise a choice
that would be in retrospect we won't get to.

Happy New Year

[kyace]

Couple of ways to find a way to a trade. Cards add Mathews to the deal. Why? Seattle could use a near major league ready pitcher. Mathews won’t have to be a star there. A solid possible #3 lefty to create a different option to the all power right hand starters they have now. Also he is closer to the majors than Sloan or Citjne and fits their timeline better.
Cards get in Sloan a higher upside power right handed pitcher still several years away.
A deal of Donovan and Mathews for Sloan, Citjne , comp b pick and a position prospect would be a good haul.
Another option would be to add a third team. Yankees need a right hand outfield bat and Seattle now has an extra one in Robles on a one year contract with two affordable option years. Robles, Romero and comp b pick to the Yankees with Donovan going to Mariners. Cards get Lagrange and Hess from Yanks and young outfield high upside prospect Bautista from the Mariners.
Just some ways to get creative to find a deal that works for all teams.