OT: Transfer Portal

[Kenny Boy]

For those of you who love the transfer portal (and NIL).

Iowa State has lost 16 starters and at least 41 total to the transfer portal. Imagine if that happened at Mizzou...which it likely will some day. You gonna like it then?

The transfer portal and NIL has killed COLLEGE football.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cf ... e-cyclones

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Iowa State's coach left. Even under the old rules, players would be allowed to transfer. Indiana had a huge turnover when Cignetti took over 2 years ago and managed just fine. The death of college football is being greatly exaggerated. Sold out stadiums and huge TV contracts say otherwise.

Yes, the portal and NIL need to be reined in to some degree, but I'll still take this over Blue Bloods controlling college football with payments to players under the table and never getting punished while the rest had to play by the rules.

[rezero]

We are truly in an unprecedented time. Kids are transferring to maximize their college earning potential. If they are not getting playing time, they leave to find a spot they can be on field to showcase their talents and open them up for a future payday. Others are just moving from A to B for a higher paycheck. As Saban mentioned last week, we will get to a point where you rebuild rosters annually. His analogy was like the NFL only having 1 year contracts. This is what college has become. ESPN estimated that only 20% of college football players are actually picking a school based on the education. So of the 60 man roster, only 12 are there because that school is the one that offers them the education they desire. Let that sink in for a moment.

[11WSChamps]

For those of you who love the transfer portal (and NIL).

Iowa State has lost 16 starters and at least 41 total to the transfer portal. Imagine if that happened at Mizzou...which it likely will some day. You gonna like it then?

The transfer portal and NIL has killed COLLEGE football.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cf ... e-cyclones

Didn't like it then and don't like it now.

Just when you start knowing who some of the players on yiur team are they're gone.

Great for players I guess not so much for fans.

[winonsports]

For those of you who love the transfer portal (and NIL).

Iowa State has lost 16 starters and at least 41 total to the transfer portal. Imagine if that happened at Mizzou...which it likely will some day. You gonna like it then?

The transfer portal and NIL has killed COLLEGE football.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cf ... e-cyclones

A troll's exaggeration knows no bounds and shows it with his incorrect use of verb tense.

The BOC has taken the steps so it likely won't happen at Mizzou, which the OP complained about and tried to downplay its importance.

And he used the passed tense KILLED, when the sport is getting more popular and more FCS teams and their schools have chosen to be a part of it

[Kenny Boy]

Iowa State's coach left. Even under the old rules, players would be allowed to transfer. Indiana had a huge turnover when Cignetti took over 2 years ago and managed just fine. The death of college football is being greatly exaggerated. Sold out stadiums and huge TV contracts say otherwise.

Yes, the portal and NIL need to be reined in to some degree, but I'll still take this over Blue Bloods controlling college football with payments to players under the table and never getting punished while the rest had to play by the rules.

Yes, players would be allowed to transfer under the old rules. But would have to sit out a year. I don't recall any mass exit like that before.

The blue bloods are still in control and always will be. The final 8 includes Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, and Alabama. You could even consider Miami blue blood (although maybe not real recently). Indiana is the only one left that definitely benefited from the new rules.

To each his own. I don't like it. No sense watching players develop and hang around for 4 or 5 years anymore. It's supposed to be college sports. It's not. The money might run out some day.

One more thing. Weineronsports is still a [ablution].

[bgwinn01]

We are truly in an unprecedented time. Kids are transferring to maximize their college earning potential. If they are not getting playing time, they leave to find a spot they can be on field to showcase their talents and open them up for a future payday. Others are just moving from A to B for a higher paycheck. As Saban mentioned last week, we will get to a point where you rebuild rosters annually. His analogy was like the NFL only having 1 year contracts. This is what college has become. ESPN estimated that only 20% of college football players are actually picking a school based on the education. So of the 60 man roster, only 12 are there because that school is the one that offers them the education they desire. Let that sink in for a moment.

You have the situation sussed correctly. This is an unsustainable business model. NCAA must take corrective measures preferablfy sooner than later.

[Rollin' on the River]

We are truly in an unprecedented time. Kids are transferring to maximize their college earning potential. If they are not getting playing time, they leave to find a spot they can be on field to showcase their talents and open them up for a future payday. Others are just moving from A to B for a higher paycheck. As Saban mentioned last week, we will get to a point where you rebuild rosters annually. His analogy was like the NFL only having 1 year contracts. This is what college has become. ESPN estimated that only 20% of college football players are actually picking a school based on the education. So of the 60 man roster, only 12 are there because that school is the one that offers them the education they desire. Let that sink in for a moment.

You have the situation sussed correctly. This is an unsustainable business model. NCAA must take corrective measures preferablfy sooner than later.

One big measure Id love to see the NCAA take is allowing schools to offer NIL or Scholarships, but not both.

If a player accepts the scholarship he reaps all the benefits of a student athlete at that university. If they choose to accept NIL money at any point they pay for everything listed below.

However, if a guy takes NIL money he’s excluded from scholarships and pays his own tuition, room and board, meal plan, pays for travel expenses (flight, meals, hotel) and pays a training/nutrition staff, assistant, and uniform fee.

Make NIL hurt, and maybe you’ll rein it in. Because if a guy is getting $500k and has to pay a $65,000 out of state tuition and other miscellaneous expenses that normal collegians pay, maybe he’ll consider the scholarship route.


I’d also cut the number of scholarships at a school to around 50. That’s enough to fill a depth chart with players who want to be there. This frees up university money for non athlete students who need really need it.

[winonsports]

Another thread proving "a confused mind says NO"

[rezero]

We are truly in an unprecedented time. Kids are transferring to maximize their college earning potential. If they are not getting playing time, they leave to find a spot they can be on field to showcase their talents and open them up for a future payday. Others are just moving from A to B for a higher paycheck. As Saban mentioned last week, we will get to a point where you rebuild rosters annually. His analogy was like the NFL only having 1 year contracts. This is what college has become. ESPN estimated that only 20% of college football players are actually picking a school based on the education. So of the 60 man roster, only 12 are there because that school is the one that offers them the education they desire. Let that sink in for a moment.

You have the situation sussed correctly. This is an unsustainable business model. NCAA must take corrective measures preferablfy sooner than later.

One big measure Id love to see the NCAA take is allowing schools to offer NIL or Scholarships, but not both.

If a player accepts the scholarship he reaps all the benefits of a student athlete at that university. If they choose to accept NIL money at any point they pay for everything listed below.

However, if a guy takes NIL money he’s excluded from scholarships and pays his own tuition, room and board, meal plan, pays for travel expenses (flight, meals, hotel) and pays a training/nutrition staff, assistant, and uniform fee.

Make NIL hurt, and maybe you’ll rein it in. Because if a guy is getting $500k and has to pay a $65,000 out of state tuition and other miscellaneous expenses that normal collegians pay, maybe he’ll consider the scholarship route.


I’d also cut the number of scholarships at a school to around 50. That’s enough to fill a depth chart with players who want to be there. This frees up university money for non athlete students who need really need it.

There is a model that is being talked about (and some being trialed), where schools simply sell off the athletic department and there is a clean divorce between school and athletics. The Big10 have discussed it and instead wanted to just sell the rights to their athletic programs to private equity, but sill maintain some level of control. They found a lower tier PE firm willing to do it, but larger PE firms will want control. Michigan and USC blocked it because they know they are one of the few Big10 schools that have the funds needed in the short term and do not need to sell out their future to PE. Utah made the move on a temporary basis and they maintained control but again a lower tier PE (see below). We are in an era that is not sustainable and even major conferences like Big10 realize it and know they have a 1-3yr window to get help. Only 40% of college sports operated in the black in 2023 and this is before allowing them to spend $20M on players. Many schools know this is a figure they can not support long term.

[Rollin' on the River]

We are truly in an unprecedented time. Kids are transferring to maximize their college earning potential. If they are not getting playing time, they leave to find a spot they can be on field to showcase their talents and open them up for a future payday. Others are just moving from A to B for a higher paycheck. As Saban mentioned last week, we will get to a point where you rebuild rosters annually. His analogy was like the NFL only having 1 year contracts. This is what college has become. ESPN estimated that only 20% of college football players are actually picking a school based on the education. So of the 60 man roster, only 12 are there because that school is the one that offers them the education they desire. Let that sink in for a moment.

You have the situation sussed correctly. This is an unsustainable business model. NCAA must take corrective measures preferablfy sooner than later.

One big measure Id love to see the NCAA take is allowing schools to offer NIL or Scholarships, but not both.

If a player accepts the scholarship he reaps all the benefits of a student athlete at that university. If they choose to accept NIL money at any point they pay for everything listed below.

However, if a guy takes NIL money he’s excluded from scholarships and pays his own tuition, room and board, meal plan, pays for travel expenses (flight, meals, hotel) and pays a training/nutrition staff, assistant, and uniform fee.

Make NIL hurt, and maybe you’ll rein it in. Because if a guy is getting $500k and has to pay a $65,000 out of state tuition and other miscellaneous expenses that normal collegians pay, maybe he’ll consider the scholarship route.


I’d also cut the number of scholarships at a school to around 50. That’s enough to fill a depth chart with players who want to be there. This frees up university money for non athlete students who need really need it.

There is a model that is being talked about (and some being trialed), where schools simply sell off the athletic department and there is a clean divorce between school and athletics. The Big10 have discussed it and instead wanted to just sell the rights to their athletic programs to private equity, but sill maintain some level of control. They found a lower tier PE firm willing to do it, but larger PE firms will want control. Michigan and USC blocked it because they know they are one of the few Big10 schools that have the funds needed in the short term and do not need to sell out their future to PE. Utah made the move on a temporary basis and they maintained control but again a lower tier PE (see below). We are in an era that is not sustainable and even major conferences like Big10 realize it and know they have a 1-3yr window to get help. Only 40% of college sports operated in the black in 2023 and this is before allowing them to spend $20M on players. Many schools know this is a figure they can not support long term.

100%

I think the rising costs of tuition can also be blunted significantly if universities don’t have to spend millions a year on stadium maintenance and upkeep/construction.

Cutting athletics at the collegiate level would help the higher education tuition costs significantly.

[edwin drood]

CBS Sports on what 2026 transfers are expected to cost, by position. Some QBs are expected to hit the jackpot.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... kfKSwVLe1A

[dhsux]

We are truly in an unprecedented time. Kids are transferring to maximize their college earning potential. If they are not getting playing time, they leave to find a spot they can be on field to showcase their talents and open them up for a future payday. Others are just moving from A to B for a higher paycheck. As Saban mentioned last week, we will get to a point where you rebuild rosters annually. His analogy was like the NFL only having 1 year contracts. This is what college has become. ESPN estimated that only 20% of college football players are actually picking a school based on the education. So of the 60 man roster, only 12 are there because that school is the one that offers them the education they desire. Let that sink in for a moment.

While I'm still in the process of going back and forth on what I like and don't like about NIL I had plenty of like and not like before NIL anyway. Basically, college for the sake of "education" was exterminated many moons ago, NIL is just highlighting the actual extent to which it has occurred.

But to a few of your points above how bad it all is........my position is that these big sports AND the smaller ones that need the revenue to even exist off them are to a large extent filled with kids who otherwise would have no shot at college and now the NIL cash flow into their lives. I don't have a problem with that no matter the education side...it's a lifetime break for a lot of them and they are very good at what they do.

Secondly is the importance of sports and athletics. It doesn't have to compete with math or science or engineering.....it can co exist as a very important factor for many lives and entertainment of same.....as good as acting and theater anyway. I mean really....look at all of us in here in all stages of life and occupation.....enjoying, absorbing, anguishing, lusting, studying, arguing, spending......about and around a game, a sport. It's actually far more than that.

And these kids basically are acting out just like 90% of adults would if given the same chance under similar circumstances.

If a kid chooses a college for sake of money or that football program so be it, it's fine with me. Plenty of scholars choose their university's for a particular major or the biggest scholarship value. Hell plenty of students choose a college on location alone. Once you accept the value of an athlete and what they truly provide not just to themselves but to all of us it can enlighten a lot of factors that seem to make people angry or resentful.

What I do wish....I just want order to come to NIL. An understanding and a structure for all of us to follow and hopefully support.

[11WSChamps]

CBS Sports on what 2026 transfers are expected to cost, by position. Some QBs are expected to hit the jackpot.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... kfKSwVLe1A

I know there are few "shut down " corners in college or the NFL for that matter but I thought they might command a little more.

[jcgmoi]

How about two kickass corners hitting the market as a package. I can see a team paying a premium to fill out a defense.

For that matter a DT and DE could pair up, or a QB and WR.

[Power74]

Iowa State's coach left. Even under the old rules, players would be allowed to transfer. Indiana had a huge turnover when Cignetti took over 2 years ago and managed just fine. The death of college football is being greatly exaggerated. Sold out stadiums and huge TV contracts say otherwise.

Yes, the portal and NIL need to be reined in to some degree, but I'll still take this over Blue Bloods controlling college football with payments to players under the table and never getting punished while the rest had to play by the rules.

This. Between the payments and the fact that with losing a year to transfer players were pretty much locked in even if the were buried in the depth chart.

I would like to see players get one transfer with immediate eligibility and any after they have to sit out.