11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 22:19 pm
Yep parts of four games with no D1 experience hampered by having only one healthy starting receiver and his career is over.
How many bluebloods does MU have to outbid to get more than a serviceable QB as opposed to doing diligence to develop a highly regarded recruit?
Then you have to do that every season or outbid another suitor if he's eligible for another season here?
If Indiana or Louisville can go out and sign a top QB no reason Mizzou can not also. Indiana had the worse college football record over decades before they brought in a stud QB, 2 years in a row and they are in the college playoffs.
Yeah there's always exceptions just like winning the power ball.
Indiana and the rest of the non blue bloods aren't going to get a top QB out of the portal every season.
Everybody wonders why they can't be like Indiana.
I'll bet Purdue and Michigan St. are wondering why that can't be them.
At some point teams like Missouri have to be able to recruit and along with competent coaching develop a QB you can keep for two or three seasons and thrive.
Just go out and get a proven QB, not some smuck who they think could be good, like Pribula. Quit going after what they call potential and get a guy who's proven he is the real deal.
There are plenty of quarterbacks in the portal this year that could do better than the inexperienced Zollers or Pribula.
One possibility - We should go after that freshmen QB from North Texas State, Drew Mestemaker.
He could do better than Zollers. Mestemaker only threw for 34 touchdowns while Zollers was zinging the ball all over the field but never near his receivers.
Zollers has "potential" but if I am Drink, go after Mestemaker. He can't be that expensive.
Only problem is "Would Mestemaker ever consider playing on a "Drink offense".
There is a "ton" of QBs in the portal that is better than Zollers! Drink needs to act now!
11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 22:19 pm
Yep parts of four games with no D1 experience hampered by having only one healthy starting receiver and his career is over.
How many bluebloods does MU have to outbid to get more than a serviceable QB as opposed to doing diligence to develop a highly regarded recruit?
Then you have to do that every season or outbid another suitor if he's eligible for another season here?
If Indiana or Louisville can go out and sign a top QB no reason Mizzou can not also. Indiana had the worse college football record over decades before they brought in a stud QB, 2 years in a row and they are in the college playoffs.
Yeah there's always exceptions just like winning the power ball.
Indiana and the rest of the non blue bloods aren't going to get a top QB out of the portal every season.
Everybody wonders why they can't be like Indiana.
I'll bet Purdue and Michigan St. are wondering why that can't be them.
At some point teams like Missouri have to be able to recruit and along with competent coaching develop a QB you can keep for two or three seasons and thrive.
Just go out and get a proven QB, not some smuck who they think could be good, like Pribula. Quit going after what they call potential and get a guy who's proven he is the real deal.
There are plenty of quarterbacks in the portal this year that could do better than the inexperienced Zollers or Pribula.
One possibility - We should go after that freshmen QB from North Texas State, Drew Mestemaker.
He could do better than Zollers. Mestemaker only threw for 34 touchdowns while Zollers was zinging the ball all over the field but never near his receivers.
Zollers has "potential" but if I am Drink, go after Mestemaker. He can't be that expensive. Only problem is "Would Mestemaker ever consider playing on a "Drink offense".
This is the problem that Drinkwitz has to acknowledge before it can be solved. He has to hand the offense over to the OC completely and not handcuff him with his "game plans."
icon wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 18:14 pm
This is the problem that Drinkwitz has to acknowledge before it can be solved. He has to hand the offense over to the OC completely and not handcuff him with his "game plans."
Classic troll response. Put Drink on an island.
There are 60+ head coaches in the P4, and you can't name three that do that.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 22:19 pm
Yep parts of four games with no D1 experience hampered by having only one healthy starting receiver and his career is over.
How many bluebloods does MU have to outbid to get more than a serviceable QB as opposed to doing diligence to develop a highly regarded recruit?
Then you have to do that every season or outbid another suitor if he's eligible for another season here?
If Indiana or Louisville can go out and sign a top QB no reason Mizzou can not also. Indiana had the worse college football record over decades before they brought in a stud QB, 2 years in a row and they are in the college playoffs.
Yeah there's always exceptions just like winning the power ball.
Indiana and the rest of the non blue bloods aren't going to get a top QB out of the portal every season.
Everybody wonders why they can't be like Indiana.
I'll bet Purdue and Michigan St. are wondering why that can't be them.
At some point teams like Missouri have to be able to recruit and along with competent coaching develop a QB you can keep for two or three seasons and thrive.
Just go out and get a proven QB, not some smuck who they think could be good, like Pribula. Quit going after what they call potential and get a guy who's proven he is the real deal.
There are plenty of quarterbacks in the portal this year that could do better than the inexperienced Zollers or Pribula.
One possibility - We should go after that freshmen QB from North Texas State, Drew Mestemaker.
He could do better than Zollers. Mestemaker only threw for 34 touchdowns while Zollers was zinging the ball all over the field but never near his receivers.
Zollers has "potential" but if I am Drink, go after Mestemaker. He can't be that expensive.
Only problem is "Would Mestemaker ever consider playing on a "Drink offense".
There is a "ton" of QBs in the portal that is better than Zollers! Drink needs to act now!
It's no skin off my nose what they do.
The only thing Im saying is you might as well forget about being a player when it comes to recruiting high profile QBs.
Which means a mid tierish program like MU will have to buy whatever is leftover from the bluebloods after they've outbid MU for the better QBs every January.
At some point you have to break that cycle and at least Zollers and or Sidwar might be a good place to start.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 22:19 pm
Yep parts of four games with no D1 experience hampered by having only one healthy starting receiver and his career is over.
How many bluebloods does MU have to outbid to get more than a serviceable QB as opposed to doing diligence to develop a highly regarded recruit?
Then you have to do that every season or outbid another suitor if he's eligible for another season here?
If Indiana or Louisville can go out and sign a top QB no reason Mizzou can not also. Indiana had the worse college football record over decades before they brought in a stud QB, 2 years in a row and they are in the college playoffs.
Yeah there's always exceptions just like winning the power ball.
Indiana and the rest of the non blue bloods aren't going to get a top QB out of the portal every season.
Everybody wonders why they can't be like Indiana.
I'll bet Purdue and Michigan St. are wondering why that can't be them.
At some point teams like Missouri have to be able to recruit and along with competent coaching develop a QB you can keep for two or three seasons and thrive.
Just go out and get a proven QB, not some smuck who they think could be good, like Pribula. Quit going after what they call potential and get a guy who's proven he is the real deal.
There are plenty of quarterbacks in the portal this year that could do better than the inexperienced Zollers or Pribula.
One possibility - We should go after that freshmen QB from North Texas State, Drew Mestemaker.
He could do better than Zollers. Mestemaker only threw for 34 touchdowns while Zollers was zinging the ball all over the field but never near his receivers.
Zollers has "potential" but if I am Drink, go after Mestemaker. He can't be that expensive.
Only problem is "Would Mestemaker ever consider playing on a "Drink offense".
There is a "ton" of QBs in the portal that is better than Zollers! Drink needs to act now!
Mestemaker could follow his former coach to Oklahoma ST.
Indiana and Texas Tech also appear to be possible landing spots.
It'll be interesting to see who lands where and what the price tag will be.
I really think the portal has changed how teams now recruit certain positions, including QB's. Everything is based on right now in real time. there is too much money if I was a coach I would not waste my time recruiting any high school qb's any more.Every year I would sign at least one, maybe two out of the portal. By that time you will have a player who has been In some type of real system, understanding the training that goes into be a QB in a D1 school. They might have been a top five out of high school, then get to a N.D. // Ohio State/ Bama, schools like that. After their 2nd year they have a better understanding of what it will take, then you sign that guy instead of some high school that thinks he is going to step right into a SEC starting job. Teams just don't have the time to wait for these guys to develop anymore. Most of them sit, then after a year or so more on. I think that is the better player to go sign, instead of hoping lighting strikes and you got that once every 10 years guy who comes in and starts year one.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 22:19 pm
Yep parts of four games with no D1 experience hampered by having only one healthy starting receiver and his career is over.
How many bluebloods does MU have to outbid to get more than a serviceable QB as opposed to doing diligence to develop a highly regarded recruit?
Then you have to do that every season or outbid another suitor if he's eligible for another season here?
You can't seriously think we don't need a real starting QB for next year. Even with a complete OLine overhaul Zollers is not ready (I didn't think he was before the game either). We have Zollers and Sidwar for the future but that future is not next season.
Where did I say that?
I said how are the mid tier or lower P4 schools going to outbid the bluebloods every season for a top tier QB?
Indiana is the ultimate outlier.
At some point you have to develop them if you're not a big money school because there aren't enough of them to go around.
I also said you bring in a QB to compete for the job like any other position.
But this notion thatvguys like Zollers and Sidwar are going to stick around two years without playing with the portal being what it is you're just fooling yourselves.
You've been saying that Zoller is our guy next year over multiple thread over the last couple weeks. Now you're saying that you want someone to compete with Zollers. That's not what we need. We need a day one starter. If Zollers can't handle that then so be it but we can't waste a year waiting for him to eventually get it. Ty Simpson waited 4 years, others have waited multiple years. If Zollers' experience in the four games that he played significant snaps in didn't tell him that he needs a lot more development then let his delusions take him somewhere else.
You're having comprehension issues again. I can't help that.
I said a few weeks ago that Zollers should start over Pribula in the bowl game I didn't say hand him the job with no competition for 2026.
The other discussion you might be referring to although you weren't specific had to do with people saying he isn't ready. My response was well how does he get "ready" if he doesn't play and if you recruit this type of talent and beat out some of the blue bloods in recruitment don't you owe it to the recruit and your program to try and develop him and the only way you can coach him is to play him with live ammo flying around. I also said you had spring and fall and three non-con games to try and get him "ready". Perhaps you're misinterpreting that as being an absolute on my part but it wasn't and would never be because with Pribula coming this past season or Cook with Horn I've always favored a healthy competition for positions especially Quarterback.
I also said in my last response that MU isn't in a position to grab a top 5 or top tier QB every season with the bluebloods being able to outbid them and other mid-tier conference P4 programs. So in the case of Zollers and or Sidwar it may take a year of playing to develop them then hopefully you don't have to dig into the portal every year for a QB and the double whammy of maybe having to institute a whole new offense with returning skill position people.
So how do you balance recruiting high end QB's for this program with the idea of developing them if they don't get a chance to learn from their mistakes and then if they never play develop them?
No, it's straight from your posts, own it. Once Beau left you said we should be all in with Zollers.
There are no guarantees anymore, get the best you can every year and if some stay to be developed then that's a bonus. It's the world we live in now.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 22:19 pm
Yep parts of four games with no D1 experience hampered by having only one healthy starting receiver and his career is over.
How many bluebloods does MU have to outbid to get more than a serviceable QB as opposed to doing diligence to develop a highly regarded recruit?
Then you have to do that every season or outbid another suitor if he's eligible for another season here?
You can't seriously think we don't need a real starting QB for next year. Even with a complete OLine overhaul Zollers is not ready (I didn't think he was before the game either). We have Zollers and Sidwar for the future but that future is not next season.
Where did I say that?
I said how are the mid tier or lower P4 schools going to outbid the bluebloods every season for a top tier QB?
Indiana is the ultimate outlier.
At some point you have to develop them if you're not a big money school because there aren't enough of them to go around.
I also said you bring in a QB to compete for the job like any other position.
But this notion thatvguys like Zollers and Sidwar are going to stick around two years without playing with the portal being what it is you're just fooling yourselves.
You've been saying that Zoller is our guy next year over multiple thread over the last couple weeks. Now you're saying that you want someone to compete with Zollers. That's not what we need. We need a day one starter. If Zollers can't handle that then so be it but we can't waste a year waiting for him to eventually get it. Ty Simpson waited 4 years, others have waited multiple years. If Zollers' experience in the four games that he played significant snaps in didn't tell him that he needs a lot more development then let his delusions take him somewhere else.
You're having comprehension issues again. I can't help that.
I said a few weeks ago that Zollers should start over Pribula in the bowl game I didn't say hand him the job with no competition for 2026.
The other discussion you might be referring to although you weren't specific had to do with people saying he isn't ready. My response was well how does he get "ready" if he doesn't play and if you recruit this type of talent and beat out some of the blue bloods in recruitment don't you owe it to the recruit and your program to try and develop him and the only way you can coach him is to play him with live ammo flying around. I also said you had spring and fall and three non-con games to try and get him "ready". Perhaps you're misinterpreting that as being an absolute on my part but it wasn't and would never be because with Pribula coming this past season or Cook with Horn I've always favored a healthy competition for positions especially Quarterback.
I also said in my last response that MU isn't in a position to grab a top 5 or top tier QB every season with the bluebloods being able to outbid them and other mid-tier conference P4 programs. So in the case of Zollers and or Sidwar it may take a year of playing to develop them then hopefully you don't have to dig into the portal every year for a QB and the double whammy of maybe having to institute a whole new offense with returning skill position people.
So how do you balance recruiting high end QB's for this program with the idea of developing them if they don't get a chance to learn from their mistakes and then if they never play develop them?
No, it's straight from your posts, own it. Once Beau left you said we should be all in with Zollers.
There are no guarantees anymore, get the best you can every year and if some stay to be developed then that's a bonus. It's the world we live in now.
No I looked at my posts and you're wrong just like you were saying Pribula was just as good as Mateer.
I said several times you bring in a guy to compete.
stanw wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 19:47 pm
I really think the portal has changed how teams now recruit certain positions, including QB's. Everything is based on right now in real time. there is too much money if I was a coach I would not waste my time recruiting any high school qb's any more.Every year I would sign at least one, maybe two out of the portal. By that time you will have a player who has been In some type of real system, understanding the training that goes into be a QB in a D1 school. They might have been a top five out of high school, then get to a N.D. // Ohio State/ Bama, schools like that. After their 2nd year they have a better understanding of what it will take, then you sign that guy instead of some high school that thinks he is going to step right into a SEC starting job. Teams just don't have the time to wait for these guys to develop anymore. Most of them sit, then after a year or so more on. I think that is the better player to go sign, instead of hoping lighting strikes and you got that once every 10 years guy who comes in and starts year one.
I tend to agree now with your thoughts on not wasting too much time recuiting or $$$ on HS recruits unless they are like Olugobe and clearly better than what you have. This whore-like era CFB is in with NIL, unknown contract status (are they enforceable?), and unlimited free agency seems to reward the big spenders - just look at this years CFP. Heck just look at UVa and Vandy - full of tradesman players. The age of developing HS talent seems diminished and probably done for at the P4 level.
I really see Rocco Becht as the best fit of all the QB's in the portal. 1 year of eligibility left, so wouldn't disrupt the longer term Zollers plan, if that is still the plan.
Also, keep an eye on Colton Joseph from Old Dominion, if Mizzou wants to try and get a dual threat guy.
