Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Welcome to STLtoday.com's forum for fans of the St. Louis Cardinals.

Moderators: STLtoday Forum Moderators, Cards Talk Moderators

rockondlouie
Forum User
Posts: 13681
Joined: 23 May 2024 12:41 pm

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by rockondlouie »

Shady wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:48 am
rockondlouie wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:47 am Burly 2025 (using all his hit totals at 1B/DH/OF):

18 HR
69 RBI
.290 .343 .459 .802

Rank among 2025 MLB Qualified 1st Baseman:

BA - 5th
HR - 14th
RBI - 14th
OB% - 11th
SLG% - 10th
OPS - 10th

I agree w/the OP, his HR & RBI totals are mediocre for a 1st Baseman.

Unless he can muscle up and hit 20+ HR's and drive in 80-85 runs, then he's not the L-T answer at 1st base where you need a strong run producer (ditto for 3rd base and eventually our corner OF).
Burleson has been trending upward, overall. Stay tuned for his prime years. Which should be coming up.
His HR total dropped by three (3) and his RBI total by nine (9) -vs- 2024, not trending up in the categories needed to be the L-T answer at 1st base.

But I'll give you his SLG% did jump so there's a chance his power increases.
Talkin' Baseball
Forum User
Posts: 2366
Joined: 11 Feb 2018 12:39 pm

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by Talkin' Baseball »

Shady wrote: 26 Dec 2025 09:46 am Let's see how Burleson performs next season. He should be coming into his prime.
A star of his magnitude, just coming into his own should be in the bright lights of New York. Prime Time Burly.
Adam2
Forum User
Posts: 846
Joined: 26 Jun 2024 11:40 am

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by Adam2 »

He's an OK first basemen for a rebuild. He's not a cornerstone player for a contender
NYCardsFan
Forum User
Posts: 1554
Joined: 23 May 2024 13:52 pm

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by NYCardsFan »

Talkin' Baseball wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:57 am
Shady wrote: 26 Dec 2025 09:46 am Let's see how Burleson performs next season. He should be coming into his prime.
A star of his magnitude, just coming into his own should be in the bright lights of New York. Prime Time Burly.
Yes, it truly would be a shame if “the next Joey Votto” wound up being as underappreciated as the original Joey Votto.
Last edited by NYCardsFan on 26 Dec 2025 11:13 am, edited 1 time in total.
An Old Friend
Forum User
Posts: 13452
Joined: 20 Nov 2018 23:31 pm

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by An Old Friend »

rockondlouie wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:51 am
Shady wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:48 am
rockondlouie wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:47 am Burly 2025 (using all his hit totals at 1B/DH/OF):

18 HR
69 RBI
.290 .343 .459 .802

Rank among 2025 MLB Qualified 1st Baseman:

BA - 5th
HR - 14th
RBI - 14th
OB% - 11th
SLG% - 10th
OPS - 10th

I agree w/the OP, his HR & RBI totals are mediocre for a 1st Baseman.

Unless he can muscle up and hit 20+ HR's and drive in 80-85 runs, then he's not the L-T answer at 1st base where you need a strong run producer (ditto for 3rd base and eventually our corner OF).
Burleson has been trending upward, overall. Stay tuned for his prime years. Which should be coming up.
His HR total dropped by three (3) and his RBI total by nine (9) -vs- 2024, not trending up in the categories needed to be the L-T answer at 1st base.

But I'll give you his SLG% did jump so there's a chance his power increases.
Yeah, his slugging percentage went up.

He averaged an XBH once every 14.5 plate appearances in 2024
He averaged an XBH once every 11.8 plate appearances in 2025 - he had 50 less PA because they prioritized other players early in the season.

I think if he's healthy and playing most of the time (i.e. no real platoon, maybe just against the best LHP), he could safely be penciled into a 25 HR / 95 RBI season provided he gets opportunities with RISP.
greyhawk
Forum User
Posts: 766
Joined: 23 May 2024 13:34 pm

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by greyhawk »

fat-dance.gif
fat-dance.gif (107.87 KiB) Viewed 194 times
Talkin' Baseball
Forum User
Posts: 2366
Joined: 11 Feb 2018 12:39 pm

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by Talkin' Baseball »

greyhawk wrote: 26 Dec 2025 11:14 am fat-dance.gif
Hey, a guy has to do something in the offseason!
Shady
Forum User
Posts: 7266
Joined: 26 Nov 2022 15:39 pm

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by Shady »

rockondlouie wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:47 am Burly 2025 (using all his hit totals at 1B/DH/OF):

18 HR
69 RBI
.290 .343 .459 .802

Rank among 2025 MLB Qualified 1st Baseman:

BA - 5th
HR - 14th
RBI - 14th
OB% - 11th
SLG% - 10th
OPS - 10th

I agree w/the OP, his HR & RBI totals are mediocre for a 1st Baseman.

Unless he can muscle up and hit 20+ HR's and drive in 80-85 runs, then he's not the L-T answer at 1st base where you need a strong run producer (ditto for 3rd base and eventually our corner OF).
"Unless he can muscle up and hit 20+ HR's and drive in 80-85 runs". That would be nice accompanied by a .280+ BA. All achievable. With the Contreras departure. Right now, Burleson will likely be at #3 or #5 in the lineup. Herrera will likely be at cleanup.
Talkin' Baseball
Forum User
Posts: 2366
Joined: 11 Feb 2018 12:39 pm

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by Talkin' Baseball »

Shady wrote: 26 Dec 2025 11:23 am
rockondlouie wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:47 am Burly 2025 (using all his hit totals at 1B/DH/OF):

18 HR
69 RBI
.290 .343 .459 .802

Rank among 2025 MLB Qualified 1st Baseman:

BA - 5th
HR - 14th
RBI - 14th
OB% - 11th
SLG% - 10th
OPS - 10th

I agree w/the OP, his HR & RBI totals are mediocre for a 1st Baseman.

Unless he can muscle up and hit 20+ HR's and drive in 80-85 runs, then he's not the L-T answer at 1st base where you need a strong run producer (ditto for 3rd base and eventually our corner OF).
"Unless he can muscle up and hit 20+ HR's and drive in 80-85 runs". That would be nice accompanied by a .280+ BA. All achievable. With the Contreras departure. Right now, Burleson will likely be at #3 or #5 in the lineup. Herrera will likely be at cleanup.
He could absolutely hit those marks. In fact, I expect him to.
NYCardsFan
Forum User
Posts: 1554
Joined: 23 May 2024 13:52 pm

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by NYCardsFan »

Shady wrote: 26 Dec 2025 11:23 am
rockondlouie wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:47 am Burly 2025 (using all his hit totals at 1B/DH/OF):

18 HR
69 RBI
.290 .343 .459 .802

Rank among 2025 MLB Qualified 1st Baseman:

BA - 5th
HR - 14th
RBI - 14th
OB% - 11th
SLG% - 10th
OPS - 10th

I agree w/the OP, his HR & RBI totals are mediocre for a 1st Baseman.

Unless he can muscle up and hit 20+ HR's and drive in 80-85 runs, then he's not the L-T answer at 1st base where you need a strong run producer (ditto for 3rd base and eventually our corner OF).
"Unless he can muscle up and hit 20+ HR's and drive in 80-85 runs". That would be nice accompanied by a .280+ BA. All achievable.
If he’s as great of a player as you ceaselessly claim, why do you always sandbag and wimp out when it comes to committing to some numbers for next year? The most you’ve been willing to sign up for is 20 HRs and 80 RBIs. Come on, we’re talking about an “All-Star caliber” player here, “the next Joey Votto.” Why won’t you belly up to some numbers that actually befit his status as “the next Tony Gwynn” and one of the best “pure hitters” in the game?
Cusecards
Forum User
Posts: 11021
Joined: 16 Apr 2022 08:59 am

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by Cusecards »

Shady wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:03 am
Cusecards wrote: 26 Dec 2025 09:58 am
Shady wrote: 26 Dec 2025 09:52 am
Cusecards wrote: 26 Dec 2025 09:48 am Burleson is the best fit right now and “average” is not the end of the world.
I’ll take average until someone better comes along.
Trust me....Burleson at 1B is far from our biggest issue!
Another Classic Webby Thread.
BAZAR!
Donovan 3B, Winn SS Wetherholt 2B and Burleson 1B would be more than adequate for the infield. Bloom needs to upgrade at least one position in the outfield with some power. Problem is, Bloom may have to trade Donovan to get that.
Agree
The OF is the issue.
Although both Donovan and Herrera could wind up out there and IF they can handle it defensively their bats should be productive!
Is Robert too expensive and injury prone to take a chance on in the outfield? If healthy, he could really help the outfield situation.
Based on what I know I would not be interested in Robert.
Cusecards
Forum User
Posts: 11021
Joined: 16 Apr 2022 08:59 am

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by Cusecards »

WLTFE wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:51 am
Cusecards wrote: 26 Dec 2025 09:48 am Burleson is the best fit right now and “average” is not the end of the world.
I’ll take average until someone better comes along.
Trust me....Burleson at 1B is far from our biggest issue!
Another Classic Webby Thread.
BAZAR!
He does start a few 'Bazar' threads!
Look....he’s not hurting anyone and it’s just an anonymous sports forum so not life and death.
But:
He starts these snarky one sentence threads I assume to be funny and attract attention.
Well he’s not funny but he does get attention because look...we’re talking about him right now!
He’s a Troll and his posting of BAZAR will go down in CT history!
Ozziesfan41
Forum User
Posts: 7000
Joined: 23 May 2024 13:01 pm

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by Ozziesfan41 »

Cusecards wrote: 26 Dec 2025 11:48 am
Shady wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:03 am
Cusecards wrote: 26 Dec 2025 09:58 am
Shady wrote: 26 Dec 2025 09:52 am
Cusecards wrote: 26 Dec 2025 09:48 am Burleson is the best fit right now and “average” is not the end of the world.
I’ll take average until someone better comes along.
Trust me....Burleson at 1B is far from our biggest issue!
Another Classic Webby Thread.
BAZAR!
Donovan 3B, Winn SS Wetherholt 2B and Burleson 1B would be more than adequate for the infield. Bloom needs to upgrade at least one position in the outfield with some power. Problem is, Bloom may have to trade Donovan to get that.
Agree
The OF is the issue.
Although both Donovan and Herrera could wind up out there and IF they can handle it defensively their bats should be productive!
Is Robert too expensive and injury prone to take a chance on in the outfield? If healthy, he could really help the outfield situation.
Based on what I know I would not be interested in Robert.
Trading for Robert would be the dumbest thing the cardinals could possibly do. the only reason why they should want Robert is if they think noot will be lonely on the IL. For years people have been saying trade for Robert trade for Robert and every year he’s injured and sucks hard pass on a guy who makes O’Neil look like the iron man cal Ripken jr
ScotchMIrish
Forum User
Posts: 1639
Joined: 08 Sep 2024 21:25 pm

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by ScotchMIrish »

10th in OPS. 5th in batting average.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/player/_ ... S/dir/desc

My guess is he will get pitched around a lot and the challenge will be to not chase bad pitches.
Last edited by ScotchMIrish on 26 Dec 2025 12:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Shady
Forum User
Posts: 7266
Joined: 26 Nov 2022 15:39 pm

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by Shady »

According to some Burleson critics, he seems to be some sort of an underachiever. So if he's an underachiever, how would you describe, Gorman, Walker, Arenado and Nootbaar?
Shady
Forum User
Posts: 7266
Joined: 26 Nov 2022 15:39 pm

Re: Burleys numbers are very average for 1st base

Post by Shady »

ScotchMIrish wrote: 26 Dec 2025 11:56 am 10th in OPS. 5th in batting average.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/player/_ ... S/dir/desc

My guess is he will get pitcher around a lot and the challenge will be to not chase bad pitches.
If Burleson bats #3 and Herrera #4 that might not be a major issue.
Post Reply