Well...If they can move the Chiefs....Goodbye Cardinals

[CCard]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

So, the Chiefs ARE moving, and you seem to be speaking factually. When do you predict the Cards to announce it?

Who knows what's in a billionaires mind? Kroenke didn't let the dust settle too long before he moved the Rams. How long did Bidwell wait before he moved the Big Red? They might never move. But if they were going to move, these are the steps an owner would take first.

It's called a public private partnership. Most owners put in a lot of resources to get it built also. I don't like defending ultra wealthy "capitalists" but why should they pay for maintenance, upkeep, personal for public events in the stadium? Some stadiums share pro teams with amateur college teams, have state championship games, community events, even like in New Orleans provide shelter to hurricane folks that have nowhere to go.

How much in taxes do pro players pay? How much in taxes does Taylor Swift pay? What is the economics impact on a community that gets a super bowl or major event? Why would Jeff Bezos want to build a new headquarters in your city over the other guys?

Learn to get good at it and do it right so it benefits you and your community.

Studies have been done that show taxpayer funding of billionaires stadiums, businesses etc actual are a negative to the communities they infect. Look them up.

[CCard]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

So, the Chiefs ARE moving, and you seem to be speaking factually. When do you predict the Cards to announce it?

Who knows what's in a billionaires mind? Kroenke didn't let the dust settle too long before he moved the Rams. How long did Bidwell wait before he moved the Big Red? They might never move. But if they were going to move, these are the steps an owner would take first.

Bloom: “alright guys, we are going to make some trades this offseason to build up our farm system and core of young talent.”

You: “oh my lord! They’re moving the team!!!”

Your hyperbole stinks. I never said they would move but I did say that some billionaire owners deliberately do the things that Dewitt is doing in order to move. Gut teams and drive down attendance. Then they can go to MLB and cry about how they can't draw enough to compete. Did you ever see the movie Major League? Maybe you should watch it.

[WeeVikes]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

So, the Chiefs ARE moving, and you seem to be speaking factually. When do you predict the Cards to announce it?

Who knows what's in a billionaires mind? Kroenke didn't let the dust settle too long before he moved the Rams. How long did Bidwell wait before he moved the Big Red? They might never move. But if they were going to move, these are the steps an owner would take first.

Bloom: “alright guys, we are going to make some trades this offseason to build up our farm system and core of young talent.”

You: “oh my lord! They’re moving the team!!!”

Your hyperbole stinks. I never said they would move but I did say that some billionaire owners deliberately do the things that Dewitt is doing in order to move. Gut teams and drive down attendance. Then they can go to MLB and cry about how they can't draw enough to compete. Did you ever see the movie Major League? Maybe you should watch it.

Dude… you’re not seriously using “Major League” as an example, right?

[AnExParrot]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

So, the Chiefs ARE moving, and you seem to be speaking factually. When do you predict the Cards to announce it?

Who knows what's in a billionaires mind? Kroenke didn't let the dust settle too long before he moved the Rams. How long did Bidwell wait before he moved the Big Red? They might never move. But if they were going to move, these are the steps an owner would take first.

Bloom: “alright guys, we are going to make some trades this offseason to build up our farm system and core of young talent.”

You: “oh my lord! They’re moving the team!!!”

Your hyperbole stinks. I never said they would move but I did say that some billionaire owners deliberately do the things that Dewitt is doing in order to move. Gut teams and drive down attendance. Then they can go to MLB and cry about how they can't draw enough to compete. Did you ever see the movie Major League? Maybe you should watch it.

Dude… you’re not seriously using “Major League” as an example, right?

Saw somebody use Moneyball as an (bad)example recently, at least it was based in fact. This place is insane.

[BrummerStealsHome]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

So, the Chiefs ARE moving, and you seem to be speaking factually. When do you predict the Cards to announce it?

Who knows what's in a billionaires mind? Kroenke didn't let the dust settle too long before he moved the Rams. How long did Bidwell wait before he moved the Big Red? They might never move. But if they were going to move, these are the steps an owner would take first.

Bloom: “alright guys, we are going to make some trades this offseason to build up our farm system and core of young talent.”

You: “oh my lord! They’re moving the team!!!”

Your hyperbole stinks. I never said they would move but I did say that some billionaire owners deliberately do the things that Dewitt is doing in order to move. Gut teams and drive down attendance. Then they can go to MLB and cry about how they can't draw enough to compete. Did you ever see the movie Major League? Maybe you should watch it.

A study is only as good as its methodology. If the study in question does not consider secondary and tertiary economic impact, which are often greater than the primary, then the study is fatally flawed, and are probably targeted at influencing the economic illiterates in a given region.

[ecleme22]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

So, the Chiefs ARE moving, and you seem to be speaking factually. When do you predict the Cards to announce it?

Who knows what's in a billionaires mind? Kroenke didn't let the dust settle too long before he moved the Rams. How long did Bidwell wait before he moved the Big Red? They might never move. But if they were going to move, these are the steps an owner would take first.

Bloom: “alright guys, we are going to make some trades this offseason to build up our farm system and core of young talent.”

You: “oh my lord! They’re moving the team!!!”

Your hyperbole stinks. I never said they would move but I did say that some billionaire owners deliberately do the things that Dewitt is doing in order to move. Gut teams and drive down attendance. Then they can go to MLB and cry about how they can't draw enough to compete. Did you ever see the movie Major League? Maybe you should watch it.

You: “Your hyperbole stinks. Now let me write a paragraph that supports your hyperbole.”

[AnExParrot]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

So, the Chiefs ARE moving, and you seem to be speaking factually. When do you predict the Cards to announce it?

Who knows what's in a billionaires mind? Kroenke didn't let the dust settle too long before he moved the Rams. How long did Bidwell wait before he moved the Big Red? They might never move. But if they were going to move, these are the steps an owner would take first.

Bloom: “alright guys, we are going to make some trades this offseason to build up our farm system and core of young talent.”

You: “oh my lord! They’re moving the team!!!”

Your hyperbole stinks. I never said they would move but I did say that some billionaire owners deliberately do the things that Dewitt is doing in order to move. Gut teams and drive down attendance. Then they can go to MLB and cry about how they can't draw enough to compete. Did you ever see the movie Major League? Maybe you should watch it.

You actually said, in the thread title, if they can move the Chiefs, goodbye Cardinals, as if the two are even remotely related.

[OldRed]

Major sports franchises lost in the last 75 years
Missouri:

St. Louis Browns
St. Louis Football Cardinals
St. Louis Rams
St. Louis Hawks
Kansas City Kings
Kansas City Athletics
Kansas City Scouts
Kansas City Chiefs

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Your hyperbole stinks. I never said they would move but I did say that some billionaire owners deliberately do the things that Dewitt is doing in order to move. Gut teams and drive down attendance. Then they can go to MLB and cry about how they can't draw enough to compete. Did you ever see the movie Major League? Maybe you should watch it.

Historical documentary Major League!!!! That's a good one.

I would also like to offer an example. Athletes are above the law. I'm really angry that Reggie Jackson is in the Hall of Fame. He once tried to kill the Queen of England. If you haven't watched The Naked Gun I highly suggest it.

[Ike Hammett]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

So, the Chiefs ARE moving, and you seem to be speaking factually. When do you predict the Cards to announce it?

Who knows what's in a billionaires mind? Kroenke didn't let the dust settle too long before he moved the Rams. How long did Bidwell wait before he moved the Big Red? They might never move. But if they were going to move, these are the steps an owner would take first.

It's called a public private partnership. Most owners put in a lot of resources to get it built also. I don't like defending ultra wealthy "capitalists" but why should they pay for maintenance, upkeep, personal for public events in the stadium? Some stadiums share pro teams with amateur college teams, have state championship games, community events, even like in New Orleans provide shelter to hurricane folks that have nowhere to go.

How much in taxes do pro players pay? How much in taxes does Taylor Swift pay? What is the economics impact on a community that gets a super bowl or major event? Why would Jeff Bezos want to build a new headquarters in your city over the other guys?

Learn to get good at it and do it right so it benefits you and your community.

Studies have been done that show taxpayer funding of billionaires stadiums, businesses etc actual are a negative to the communities they infect. Look them up.

Yeah right, studies performed by colleges and universities that would rather have their stadiums and programs funded with tax money. You have problems with the tax payers picking up the tab for their stadiums also?

[CCard]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

So, the Chiefs ARE moving, and you seem to be speaking factually. When do you predict the Cards to announce it?

Who knows what's in a billionaires mind? Kroenke didn't let the dust settle too long before he moved the Rams. How long did Bidwell wait before he moved the Big Red? They might never move. But if they were going to move, these are the steps an owner would take first.

It's called a public private partnership. Most owners put in a lot of resources to get it built also. I don't like defending ultra wealthy "capitalists" but why should they pay for maintenance, upkeep, personal for public events in the stadium? Some stadiums share pro teams with amateur college teams, have state championship games, community events, even like in New Orleans provide shelter to hurricane folks that have nowhere to go.

How much in taxes do pro players pay? How much in taxes does Taylor Swift pay? What is the economics impact on a community that gets a super bowl or major event? Why would Jeff Bezos want to build a new headquarters in your city over the other guys?

Learn to get good at it and do it right so it benefits you and your community.

Studies have been done that show taxpayer funding of billionaires stadiums, businesses etc actual are a negative to the communities they infect. Look them up.

Yeah right, studies performed by colleges and universities that would rather have their stadiums and programs funded with tax money. You have problems with the tax payers picking up the tab for their stadiums also?

Be specific and I'll let you know.

[CCard]

Your hyperbole stinks. I never said they would move but I did say that some billionaire owners deliberately do the things that Dewitt is doing in order to move. Gut teams and drive down attendance. Then they can go to MLB and cry about how they can't draw enough to compete. Did you ever see the movie Major League? Maybe you should watch it.

Historical documentary Major League!!!! That's a good one.

I would also like to offer an example. Athletes are above the law. I'm really angry that Reggie Jackson is in the Hall of Fame. He once tried to kill the Queen of England. If you haven't watched The Naked Gun I highly suggest it.

Major League was and example of the real world shenanigans that owners perpetrate. That you can't understand that says a lot about you. The owner of the Rams that moved the team to St. Louis was partly inspiration for the Major League character.

[RamFan08NY]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

So, the Chiefs ARE moving, and you seem to be speaking factually. When do you predict the Cards to announce it?

Who knows what's in a billionaires mind? Kroenke didn't let the dust settle too long before he moved the Rams. How long did Bidwell wait before he moved the Big Red? They might never move. But if they were going to move, these are the steps an owner would take first.

Bloom: “alright guys, we are going to make some trades this offseason to build up our farm system and core of young talent.”

You: “oh my lord! They’re moving the team!!!”

Your hyperbole stinks. I never said they would move but I did say that some billionaire owners deliberately do the things that Dewitt is doing in order to move. Gut teams and drive down attendance. Then they can go to MLB and cry about how they can't draw enough to compete. Did you ever see the movie Major League? Maybe you should watch it.

No, your subject line speaks "factually ". If the Chiefs move, say goodbye to the Cardinals.

Is that not stating as a fact that they are moving?

[CCard]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

So, the Chiefs ARE moving, and you seem to be speaking factually. When do you predict the Cards to announce it?

Who knows what's in a billionaires mind? Kroenke didn't let the dust settle too long before he moved the Rams. How long did Bidwell wait before he moved the Big Red? They might never move. But if they were going to move, these are the steps an owner would take first.

Bloom: “alright guys, we are going to make some trades this offseason to build up our farm system and core of young talent.”

You: “oh my lord! They’re moving the team!!!”

Your hyperbole stinks. I never said they would move but I did say that some billionaire owners deliberately do the things that Dewitt is doing in order to move. Gut teams and drive down attendance. Then they can go to MLB and cry about how they can't draw enough to compete. Did you ever see the movie Major League? Maybe you should watch it.

You actually said, in the thread title, if they can move the Chiefs, goodbye Cardinals, as if the two are even remotely related.

Yep...If you can move the NFL royalty Chiefs without a whimper then yes, the Cards are probably on the clock. Sad that you would rather argue semantics than something intelligent.

[CCard]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

So, the Chiefs ARE moving, and you seem to be speaking factually. When do you predict the Cards to announce it?

Who knows what's in a billionaires mind? Kroenke didn't let the dust settle too long before he moved the Rams. How long did Bidwell wait before he moved the Big Red? They might never move. But if they were going to move, these are the steps an owner would take first.

Bloom: “alright guys, we are going to make some trades this offseason to build up our farm system and core of young talent.”

You: “oh my lord! They’re moving the team!!!”

Your hyperbole stinks. I never said they would move but I did say that some billionaire owners deliberately do the things that Dewitt is doing in order to move. Gut teams and drive down attendance. Then they can go to MLB and cry about how they can't draw enough to compete. Did you ever see the movie Major League? Maybe you should watch it.

A study is only as good as its methodology. If the study in question does not consider secondary and tertiary economic impact, which are often greater than the primary, then the study is fatally flawed, and are probably targeted at influencing the economic illiterates in a given region.

Yet you post saying you know better because why? What's your specific knowledge that gives you the edge?

[TheJackBurton]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

Do you even want them here? Doesn't seem like any of you "BFIB" want, like or support them. Who gave up on who?

Schools suffering from shortages, infrastructure crumbling, property taxes going up but tax funded stadiums for billionaires should take precedence? Mercenaries go to the highest bidders. This team had plenty of support when they wanted to win but losing breeds indifference....and they know that.

Haven't been to Kansas City (MO) in a few years maybe 5, but last time I was there I had a good time. Things looked good, people seemed content and as happy as anywhere else. I think your question is better suited for the people of Kanas (the state). I'm on the opposite side of this, pro sports teams bring in revenues, they attract attention, make people feel good, bring a sense of pride to folks (if done right), and greatly impact communities. When i think of Kansas City, I think of the Chiefs and Royals. When I think of Kansas, I think of trash that really has nothing.

It's been studied to death. Tax payer funded stadiums have a negative overall impact. With all that "revenue" which mostly goes to the owners, there also is added strain on infrastructure. More police presence, more services, more strain on traffic and trash collection. That's just a few of the things. There's no doubt that if brings in tourist revenue as well as an uptick in sales taxes and such, but that stadium has a life expectancy also. So in a decade or 15 years there will have to some some renovations and then the inevitable "we need a new tax payer funded stadium" cry.

The new Chiefs dome will be tax payer funded and it quite possibly is the worst tax funded agreement in history.

The state of Kansas will put up 3 billion dollars plus tax incentives to help the Chiefs build the stadium and the surrounding commercial property. For that 3 billion plus tax incentives the Chiefs get the following: The tax breaks, legal rights to all events, food service, parking, and all rents collected from the commercial properties. The Chiefs in return will pay 7 million dollars a year to the state who will then put that money in an account for any repairs and maintenance that may be required in the future.

To summarize: The Chiefs gets everything while the state of Kansas gets a maintenance contract that they don't have to completely fund.

Oh and also, the new stadium won't be up to NFL snuff to hold Super Bowls which is one of the main reasons the state of Kansas agreed to this in the first place.