When did adding three starters = not trying?

[ecleme22]

Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

Adding 3 starters means absolutely nothing if they suck. You are going to have a 5 or 6 man rotation either way, and that is completely irrelevant. We’ll have one of the worst starting staffs in MLB for ‘26, and I guarantee it.

As for your other point; you think they are trading our best hitters and bringing in BETTER ONES?! My Lord are you delusional, lol. The 2026 Cardinals will suck and are trying to suck.

The starting staff could be much better than 2025’s

And though we lose WC, we also gain JJ. And they should pick up a few short term FAs as well.

It could be. And it couldn’t be. What makes you think it could be much better? Who’s taking Gray’s place?

Though injured, dobbins did post a better ERA than gray. I also think May and Fitts will be better than Miko and Pallante. Also coupled w a full year of McGreevy and a more seasoned Libby, it’s not totally far fetched to say the 2026 staff could be better. Jmo

[ecleme22]

Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

Adding 3 starters means absolutely nothing if they suck. You are going to have a 5 or 6 man rotation either way, and that is completely irrelevant. We’ll have one of the worst starting staffs in MLB for ‘26, and I guarantee it.

As for your other point; you think they are trading our best hitters and bringing in BETTER ONES?! My Lord are you delusional, lol. The 2026 Cardinals will suck and are trying to suck.

The starting staff could be much better than 2025’s

And though we lose WC, we also gain JJ. And they should pick up a few short term FAs as well.

Why in the world would you think it might be “much better”? These guys we are receiving that will play in ‘26 have shown nothing sir. Could they be better? Maybe. But why “much better”?

JJ would replace Donovan or Arenado. Contreras has zero to do with that. And you think trading Arenado (useless) and/or Donovan gets us hitters ready to step in and be BETTER?! Even if that’s not your angle; you think the Cards sign high end offensive talent this offseason?!

First off, see my last post to Cards1964 for my thoughts on the pitching staff.

Second, let’s stop acting like we are breaking up the 2004 cardinals. I’m as big of a Contreras fan as they come, but it’s not like he had Pete Alonso numbers. Bloom grabs some FA, remove Arenado from the team, the maturation by Scott and others, and suddenly the offense could also be better than 2025.

[ShakeyWalton]

Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

Adding 3 starters means absolutely nothing if they suck. You are going to have a 5 or 6 man rotation either way, and that is completely irrelevant. We’ll have one of the worst starting staffs in MLB for ‘26, and I guarantee it.

As for your other point; you think they are trading our best hitters and bringing in BETTER ONES?! My Lord are you delusional, lol. The 2026 Cardinals will suck and are trying to suck.

The starting staff could be much better than 2025’s

And though we lose WC, we also gain JJ. And they should pick up a few short term FAs as well.

Why in the world would you think it might be “much better”? These guys we are receiving that will play in ‘26 have shown nothing sir. Could they be better? Maybe. But why “much better”?

JJ would replace Donovan or Arenado. Contreras has zero to do with that. And you think trading Arenado (useless) and/or Donovan gets us hitters ready to step in and be BETTER?! Even if that’s not your angle; you think the Cards sign high end offensive talent this offseason?!

First off, see my last post to Cards1964 for my thoughts on the pitching staff.

Second, let’s stop acting like we are breaking up the 2004 cardinals. I’m as big of a Contreras fan as they come, but it’s not like he had Pete Alonso numbers. Bloom grabs some FA, remove Arenado from the team, the maturation by Scott and others, and suddenly the offense could also be better than 2025.

I didn’t imply they’re breaking up a fantastic team. They’re breaking up a below mediocre squad for something quite a bit worse on the offensive side. Hey man, if there were Contreras’ and Donavans’ readily available to sign without sacrificing assets, it would be done. We will deal Donny and be a terrible offensive team. I’ll bet anything on it.

[Bubble4427]

Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

Adding 3 starters means absolutely nothing if they suck. You are going to have a 5 or 6 man rotation either way, and that is completely irrelevant. We’ll have one of the worst starting staffs in MLB for ‘26, and I guarantee it.

As for your other point; you think they are trading our best hitters and bringing in BETTER ONES?! My Lord are you delusional, lol. The 2026 Cardinals will suck and are trying to suck.

The starting staff could be much better than 2025’s

And though we lose WC, we also gain JJ. And they should pick up a few short term FAs as well.

It could be. And it couldn’t be. What makes you think it could be much better? Who’s taking Gray’s place?

Though injured, dobbins did post a better ERA than gray. I also think May and Fitts will be better than Miko and Pallante. Also coupled w a full year of McGreevy and a more seasoned Libby, it’s not totally far fetched to say the 2026 staff could be better. Jmo

if Opening Day was a must win game or you die….would you rather have Gray pitch or Fitts?
The Red Sox wanted Gray because they needed a better #2/3 starter than they already had. Not really hard to understand.
This team is rebuilding…..THEY ARE NOT RE-TOOLING….those are completely different things. If you think the Cardinals are going to sign any bats or pitchers for more than a year with a team option…then you need to take a drug test.

The team is slashing payroll…it’s what Bloom has done everywhere he has gone. The TV contract is a complete mess.
3 years from now, maybe One or two of these arms will work out ….. but to compare any of them to Gray next year is ridiculous. As far as Pallante and Mikolas….any clown the Cardinals sign off the scrap heap (for 1 year) would be better than those two.

The Cardinals won’t be a .500 team next year….or the year after. They won’t do ANYTHING financially until the labor agreement gets worked out and they figure out how Television is going to work and how much money that will bring in. Bloom was not brought in here to build a winner….he was brought in here to build a new cheaper way to build a team and maintain it. I like his moves so far…but those moves won’t pay dividends for at least 3 years.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

So, because it’s cheaper going this route means it’s an advancement? Are they spending those savings elsewhere to win in ‘26? Of course not, Dobbs.

Sure it is. It allows you to spend more when you need to so that you’re not signing a free agent that you love instead of missing out on them over $2 million a year because you are already spending way too much money for average to below average performance and the budget doesn’t allow for it. And why wouldn’t you want younger and cheaper is all else is equal? And don’t forget the years of control. A lot of these guys have 6 years of control left as well. You can plan your future much easier that way than you can for a 36 year old with one year left on his deal.

So, yeah, they will be spending that money. Just not for a bunch of mediocre old guys that you can hope to rely on to help barely make the last wildcard spot. And also not in 2026. This is a rebuild. Spend the money in a year or two when you’re ready to compete.

[Cardinals1964]

Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

Adding 3 starters means absolutely nothing if they suck. You are going to have a 5 or 6 man rotation either way, and that is completely irrelevant. We’ll have one of the worst starting staffs in MLB for ‘26, and I guarantee it.

As for your other point; you think they are trading our best hitters and bringing in BETTER ONES?! My Lord are you delusional, lol. The 2026 Cardinals will suck and are trying to suck.

The starting staff could be much better than 2025’s

And though we lose WC, we also gain JJ. And they should pick up a few short term FAs as well.

It could be. And it couldn’t be. What makes you think it could be much better? Who’s taking Gray’s place?

Though injured, dobbins did post a better ERA than gray. I also think May and Fitts will be better than Miko and Pallante. Also coupled w a full year of McGreevy and a more seasoned Libby, it’s not totally far fetched to say the 2026 staff could be better. Jmo

Nice explanation. I hope you’re right.

[Cardinals1964]

So, because it’s cheaper going this route means it’s an advancement? Are they spending those savings elsewhere to win in ‘26? Of course not, Dobbs.

Sure it is. It allows you to spend more when you need to so that you’re not signing a free agent that you love instead of missing out on them over $2 million a year because you are already spending way too much money for average to below average performance and the budget doesn’t allow for it. And why wouldn’t you want younger and cheaper is all else is equal? And don’t forget the years of control. A lot of these guys have 6 years of control left as well. You can plan your future much easier that way than you can for a 36 year old with one year left on his deal.

So, yeah, they will be spending that money. Just not for a bunch of mediocre old guys that you can hope to rely on to help barely make the last wildcard spot. And also not in 2026. This is a rebuild. Spend the money in a year or two when you’re ready to compete.

I believe it when I see it that they go after a big time free agent. I don’t think I’ve seen that in years.
All of the stars we’ve had of late have been traded for after they were already established. So, we would have to give up young players. The more young prospect you have the better off you are. I agree with a lot you say.

[CCard]

Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

Who are these major league starters you speak of? I haven't seen major league starters be acquired. Possible major league starters, but so were Mikolas and Pallante.

May, Fitts and Dobbins.

And there are talks of adding another arm via FA.

Quantity does not mean quality. Were these guys starters for the clubs that traded them? Are they better than Pallante, or Fedde or Mikolas? Well...Mikolas might be stretching it.

[Goldfan]

Dodgers won 93 games and Sox won 89 games last season
May went 7-11

[AnExParrot]

Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

Who are these major league starters you speak of? I haven't seen major league starters be acquired. Possible major league starters, but so were Mikolas and Pallante.

May, Fitts and Dobbins.

And there are talks of adding another arm via FA.

Quantity does not mean quality. Were these guys starters for the clubs that traded them? Are they better than Pallante, or Fedde or Mikolas? Well...Mikolas might be stretching it.

So, you know nothing about the players the team acquired, but you're here to [shirt] in the thread?

[CCard]

Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

Who are these major league starters you speak of? I haven't seen major league starters be acquired. Possible major league starters, but so were Mikolas and Pallante.

May, Fitts and Dobbins.

And there are talks of adding another arm via FA.

Quantity does not mean quality. Were these guys starters for the clubs that traded them? Are they better than Pallante, or Fedde or Mikolas? Well...Mikolas might be stretching it.

So, you know nothing about the players the team acquired, but you're here to [shirt] in the thread?

You mad bro? I know they weren't serious starters for their teams. Enlighten us all as to how great they are and how they'll lift the Cards rotation to prominence. Please go ahead since you obviously know so much.

[Cardinals1964]

Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

Who are these major league starters you speak of? I haven't seen major league starters be acquired. Possible major league starters, but so were Mikolas and Pallante.

May, Fitts and Dobbins.

And there are talks of adding another arm via FA.

Quantity does not mean quality. Were these guys starters for the clubs that traded them? Are they better than Pallante, or Fedde or Mikolas? Well...Mikolas might be stretching it.

So, you know nothing about the players the team acquired, but you're here to [shirt] in the thread?

You mad bro? I know they weren't serious starters for their teams. Enlighten us all as to how great they are and how they'll lift the Cards rotation to prominence. Please go ahead since you obviously know so much.

What’s your solution?

[AnExParrot]

Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

Who are these major league starters you speak of? I haven't seen major league starters be acquired. Possible major league starters, but so were Mikolas and Pallante.

May, Fitts and Dobbins.

And there are talks of adding another arm via FA.

Quantity does not mean quality. Were these guys starters for the clubs that traded them? Are they better than Pallante, or Fedde or Mikolas? Well...Mikolas might be stretching it.

So, you know nothing about the players the team acquired, but you're here to [shirt] in the thread?

You mad bro? I know they weren't serious starters for their teams. Enlighten us all as to how great they are and how they'll lift the Cards rotation to prominence. Please go ahead since you obviously know so much.

What’s your solution?

To (bleep) and moan that some billionaire didn't spend his money the way CCard liked. That's it, that's all he's got. Oh, and wishing Nolan Arenado gets the shot at resurgence he so richly deserves.

[AnExParrot]

Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

Who are these major league starters you speak of? I haven't seen major league starters be acquired. Possible major league starters, but so were Mikolas and Pallante.

May, Fitts and Dobbins.

And there are talks of adding another arm via FA.

Quantity does not mean quality. Were these guys starters for the clubs that traded them? Are they better than Pallante, or Fedde or Mikolas? Well...Mikolas might be stretching it.

So, you know nothing about the players the team acquired, but you're here to [shirt] in the thread?

You mad bro? I know they weren't serious starters for their teams. Enlighten us all as to how great they are and how they'll lift the Cards rotation to prominence. Please go ahead since you obviously know so much.

They weren't starters for their teams? You're just so (bleep) proud of your ignorance, aren't you?

[CCard]

Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

Who are these major league starters you speak of? I haven't seen major league starters be acquired. Possible major league starters, but so were Mikolas and Pallante.

May, Fitts and Dobbins.

And there are talks of adding another arm via FA.

Quantity does not mean quality. Were these guys starters for the clubs that traded them? Are they better than Pallante, or Fedde or Mikolas? Well...Mikolas might be stretching it.

So, you know nothing about the players the team acquired, but you're here to [shirt] in the thread?

You mad bro? I know they weren't serious starters for their teams. Enlighten us all as to how great they are and how they'll lift the Cards rotation to prominence. Please go ahead since you obviously know so much.

They weren't starters for their teams? You're just so (drat) proud of your ignorance, aren't you?

Show me or shut up.

[AnExParrot]

Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

Who are these major league starters you speak of? I haven't seen major league starters be acquired. Possible major league starters, but so were Mikolas and Pallante.

May, Fitts and Dobbins.

And there are talks of adding another arm via FA.

Quantity does not mean quality. Were these guys starters for the clubs that traded them? Are they better than Pallante, or Fedde or Mikolas? Well...Mikolas might be stretching it.

So, you know nothing about the players the team acquired, but you're here to [shirt] in the thread?

You mad bro? I know they weren't serious starters for their teams. Enlighten us all as to how great they are and how they'll lift the Cards rotation to prominence. Please go ahead since you obviously know so much.

They weren't starters for their teams? You're just so (drat) proud of your ignorance, aren't you?

Show me or shut up.

Nah, exposing and prolonging your obstinate ignorance is fun for the whole family, why would I ruin that by teaching you something you have no desire to learn?