CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm
It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
lol they’re moving like 20 miles. I don’t think Edwardsville is making a stadium play for the Cardinals.
Hey guess what, the 49ers don’t play in SF anymore either. And both NY football teams play in Jersey.
Your cool with teams abandoning their cities that they've played in for a long time. Cool for you I guess. They are moving like 20 miles....to another frigging state.
St. Louis to me means the Greater St. Louis Area, not the tiny 66 sq miles, under 300k population city boundary.
If they move out of St Louis then they aren't the "St Louis Cardinals". Not to mention the impact the move will have on the downtown economy. All those workers can't or won't relocate. You just can't speak about a great and storied franchise the same if they move.
lol if they move to another municipality within St. Louis County why would they still not be the St. Louis Cardinals?
It’s not the Santa Clara 49ers. Or Inglewood Rams. Or East Rutherford Jets/Giants. Or the Cobb County Braves.
Like chill. This is not a new thing. Plus, there’s not even any whispers of the Cardinals relocating or for sale. You’re getting worked up for nothing. They didn’t spend a decade building two phases of Ballpark Village just to pick up and leave.
I'm sure they were saying similar stuff about the Chiefs a while back. True it's not a far move for them, but it is another state. And if they had moved two states away the result would still be the same. The St Louis Browns, The Brooklyn Dodgers, The Montreal Expos. Don't tell me it can't happen. If they were planning to do this what would they do different from what they're doing right now? Nothing.
The economics of the sport are not even on the same planet today as the Browns and Brooklyn Dodgers days. The Expos left after their fans abandoned them after the strike.
Anything can happen, but there's no neighboring state for the Cards to move to. Yeah Metro STL covers Illinois, but anyone suggesting the Cards move to the Metro East is no paying attention to Illinois politics. The state is broke. They can't even agree on funding to keep the Bears - let alone luring another franchise over. The Cards aren't going to move to Iowa, Kentucky, or Arkansas... let's be serious.
There are other (bleep) franchises to move to Nashville before it would ever be the Cards. MLB more likely will expand to Nashville at this point anyway with the Rays seemingly moving towards a stadium solution with their new owner. If that falls through, Nashville will come calling.
The Chiefs are moving 20 miles across the boarder. Every current fan can and will continue to be a fan. If anything, it'll make the games MORE accessible as the west suburbs of KC is where more of the money is and more of the fans were driving north to Arrowhead anyway.
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm
It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
lol they’re moving like 20 miles. I don’t think Edwardsville is making a stadium play for the Cardinals.
Hey guess what, the 49ers don’t play in SF anymore either. And both NY football teams play in Jersey.
I'm old enough to remember the Boston Patriots.
It brings up an interesting trivia question. How many NFL teams (or MLB, etc.) play within the city limits of the city in their name?
Here's a quick list off the tip of my head.
NY Giants
Dallas
San Francisco
LA Rams
Miami
LA Chargers
*Arizona
*New England
Arizona and New England don't play in Phoenix and Boston so they belong on this list, even though they changed their name to notate the region.
Soo the Patriots just did a rebrand to New England? Foxborough is a suburb of Boston...you can't say they don't still play in Boston.
If you still fly into that city's main airport then drive less than an hour to the stadium/arena, the team still plays in that city.
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm
It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
lol they’re moving like 20 miles. I don’t think Edwardsville is making a stadium play for the Cardinals.
Hey guess what, the 49ers don’t play in SF anymore either. And both NY football teams play in Jersey.
Your cool with teams abandoning their cities that they've played in for a long time. Cool for you I guess. They are moving like 20 miles....to another frigging state.
St. Louis to me means the Greater St. Louis Area, not the tiny 66 sq miles, under 300k population city boundary.
If they move out of St Louis then they aren't the "St Louis Cardinals". Not to mention the impact the move will have on the downtown economy. All those workers can't or won't relocate. You just can't speak about a great and storied franchise the same if they move.
lol if they move to another municipality within St. Louis County why would they still not be the St. Louis Cardinals?
It’s not the Santa Clara 49ers. Or Inglewood Rams. Or East Rutherford Jets/Giants. Or the Cobb County Braves.
Like chill. This is not a new thing. Plus, there’s not even any whispers of the Cardinals relocating or for sale. You’re getting worked up for nothing. They didn’t spend a decade building two phases of Ballpark Village just to pick up and leave.
I'm sure they were saying similar stuff about the Chiefs a while back. True it's not a far move for them, but it is another state. And if they had moved two states away the result would still be the same. The St Louis Browns, The Brooklyn Dodgers, The Montreal Expos. Don't tell me it can't happen. If they were planning to do this what would they do different from what they're doing right now? Nothing.
The economics of the sport are not even on the same planet today as the Browns and Brooklyn Dodgers days. The Expos left after their fans abandoned them after the strike.
Anything can happen, but there's no neighboring state for the Cards to move to. Yeah Metro STL covers Illinois, but anyone suggesting the Cards move to the Metro East is no paying attention to Illinois politics. The state is broke. They can't even agree on funding to keep the Bears - let alone luring another franchise over. The Cards aren't going to move to Iowa, Kentucky, or Arkansas... let's be serious.
There are other (bleep) franchises to move to Nashville before it would ever be the Cards. MLB more likely will expand to Nashville at this point anyway with the Rays seemingly moving towards a stadium solution with their new owner. If that falls through, Nashville will come calling.
The Chiefs are moving 20 miles across the boarder. Every current fan can and will continue to be a fan. If anything, it'll make the games MORE accessible as the west suburbs of KC is where more of the money is and more of the fans were driving north to Arrowhead anyway.
Again....Illinois GDP dwarfs Missouri's. They are showing common sense in not being bent over by a sports team. You speak of stuff you can't possibly know. "The Chiefs moving is actually a good thing." Please, who would believe that. "Every fan can and will continue to be a fan." You can't know that either and in fact is extremely illogical. What we do know unequivocally is that you don't know what a billionaire and his buddies have plans for. You're just like so many now days. "It couldn never happen here." Look around, it's happening in real time.
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm
It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
Move to Illinois??? Thanks for the laugh this morning. Illinois is anti-business.
Illinois has a higher GDP than Missouri. In 2024, Illinois had a GDP of approximately $1.08 trillion, while Missouri's GDP was around $72.1 billion. You need to read more and get off of Fox News.
What the heck does fox news have anything to do with it?....and having the 3rd largest city in the United States helps just a bit...
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm
It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
lol they’re moving like 20 miles. I don’t think Edwardsville is making a stadium play for the Cardinals.
Hey guess what, the 49ers don’t play in SF anymore either. And both NY football teams play in Jersey.
Your cool with teams abandoning their cities that they've played in for a long time. Cool for you I guess. They are moving like 20 miles....to another frigging state.
St. Louis to me means the Greater St. Louis Area, not the tiny 66 sq miles, under 300k population city boundary.
If they move out of St Louis then they aren't the "St Louis Cardinals". Not to mention the impact the move will have on the downtown economy. All those workers can't or won't relocate. You just can't speak about a great and storied franchise the same if they move.
lol if they move to another municipality within St. Louis County why would they still not be the St. Louis Cardinals?
It’s not the Santa Clara 49ers. Or Inglewood Rams. Or East Rutherford Jets/Giants. Or the Cobb County Braves.
Like chill. This is not a new thing. Plus, there’s not even any whispers of the Cardinals relocating or for sale. You’re getting worked up for nothing. They didn’t spend a decade building two phases of Ballpark Village just to pick up and leave.
I'm sure they were saying similar stuff about the Chiefs a while back. True it's not a far move for them, but it is another state. And if they had moved two states away the result would still be the same. The St Louis Browns, The Brooklyn Dodgers, The Montreal Expos. Don't tell me it can't happen. If they were planning to do this what would they do different from what they're doing right now? Nothing.
The economics of the sport are not even on the same planet today as the Browns and Brooklyn Dodgers days. The Expos left after their fans abandoned them after the strike.
Anything can happen, but there's no neighboring state for the Cards to move to. Yeah Metro STL covers Illinois, but anyone suggesting the Cards move to the Metro East is no paying attention to Illinois politics. The state is broke. They can't even agree on funding to keep the Bears - let alone luring another franchise over. The Cards aren't going to move to Iowa, Kentucky, or Arkansas... let's be serious.
There are other (bleep) franchises to move to Nashville before it would ever be the Cards. MLB more likely will expand to Nashville at this point anyway with the Rays seemingly moving towards a stadium solution with their new owner. If that falls through, Nashville will come calling.
The Chiefs are moving 20 miles across the boarder. Every current fan can and will continue to be a fan. If anything, it'll make the games MORE accessible as the west suburbs of KC is where more of the money is and more of the fans were driving north to Arrowhead anyway.
Again....Illinois GDP dwarfs Missouri's. They are showing common sense in not being bent over by a sports team. You speak of stuff you can't possibly know. "The Chiefs moving is actually a good thing." Please, who would believe that. "Every fan can and will continue to be a fan." You can't know that either and in fact is extremely illogical. What we do know unequivocally is that you don't know what a billionaire and his buddies have plans for. You're just like so many now days. "It couldn never happen here." Look around, it's happening in real time.
So Illinois is being sensible and not giving money to sports owners for stadiums. But you're also worried they will move the Cardinals there? Which is it?
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm
It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
Do you even want them here? Doesn't seem like any of you "BFIB" want, like or support them. Who gave up on who?
Schools suffering from shortages, infrastructure crumbling, property taxes going up but tax funded stadiums for billionaires should take precedence? Mercenaries go to the highest bidders. This team had plenty of support when they wanted to win but losing breeds indifference....and they know that.
Haven't been to Kansas City (MO) in a few years maybe 5, but last time I was there I had a good time. Things looked good, people seemed content and as happy as anywhere else. I think your question is better suited for the people of Kanas (the state). I'm on the opposite side of this, pro sports teams bring in revenues, they attract attention, make people feel good, bring a sense of pride to folks (if done right), and greatly impact communities. When i think of Kansas City, I think of the Chiefs and Royals. When I think of Kansas, I think of trash that really has nothing.
It's been studied to death. Tax payer funded stadiums have a negative overall impact. With all that "revenue" which mostly goes to the owners, there also is added strain on infrastructure. More police presence, more services, more strain on traffic and trash collection. That's just a few of the things. There's no doubt that if brings in tourist revenue as well as an uptick in sales taxes and such, but that stadium has a life expectancy also. So in a decade or 15 years there will have to some some renovations and then the inevitable "we need a new tax payer funded stadium" cry.
Fair enough and I respect your point. This to me isn't necessarily about economics, it's about quality of life and I ask you to respect my point. What is economically beneficial to planting trees, creating a beautiful public park, improving roads and bridges to make them just look better when completely functional etc?
IT MAKES PEOPLE HAPPY!
Maybe it's not the most economically best thing (which is need to investigate) but people want it. Let's look at a bigger picture and include the variables. Do people want nicer things or just what is the best economically? I bet big bucks people and fans want nicer neighborhoods with fun activities far more than just what is best economically. Why would anyone buy the TV that is cool VS a piece of TV that you can watch the same game on? Why would anyone want a 1995 pick up truck VS. A 2026 model? It's kind of better because it makes them feel better.
But tax funded parks benefit everyone that pays taxes. Planting trees benefits everyone. Using tax dollars( that every pays in) to subsidize a billionaires business is just wrong. Especially in this economy when people are getting their food subsidies and healthcare subsidies whacked radically. How you don't see that is beyond me. Everyone wants nice neighborhoods but not everyone wants their tax dollars to go to a billionaires pet hobby. Especially when said billionaire could pay for it him/her self.This isn't rocket science here. We have real people in real need and they deserve for their tax dollars to be used responsibly. Just like the whole gambling thing. It's just a way to funnel money from poor and stupid people to those that don't need or deserve it. The lottery started out as a way to help schools, then once established they cut the taxes for the schools, so the schools got shafted. Now instead of the wealthy paying their share of the tax burden we have the poor and middle class paying more because gambling on the lotter is basically a poor person tax. The wealthy don't play or pay.
I very much understand and am sympathetic to your points, I really am. Ballparks and stadiums attract tax payers, without more taxpayers you have no taxes to collect.
No system is ever going to be perfect. We should definitely always be striving to make things more perfect. Ballparks and stadiums are for everyone and mostly for middle and working classes. They are just a bigger more grand version of your public park or public school gymnasium, library etc. It's for everyone to enjoy. Those ballparks and stadiums are public/ private partnerships because that is what a massive part of the people want. Why should I subsidize your kids school or Healthcare if you don't want to subsidize what is important to me?
America today, I will argue is the greatest civilization of all time, you seem to make it out like we are living in Yemen or Mali or something. My local high school here looks like a cathedral and some say this is the ghetto my downtown St. Louis library looks like a beautiful masterpiece that should be in movies. What more do you really want? because we have it better than kings and queens of the past as just middle class folks.
CCard wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 09:31 amYour trying to make this political? It's not political at all. Facts are facts. Illinois has a far larger GDP than Missouri. This is all about the dollars. Billionaires (as we've seen with Stan Kronke) have no loyalty. They want more money and that is just about that.
It's reality. These billionaires want to move somewhere where they can have regular people subsidize their new stadiums. It's not going to happen in Illinois anytime soon, as you can see from the hardball they are playing with the Bears right now.
But if you're saying that it's all about GDP and comparing the Cardinals to the Chiefs, the Chiefs just moved to a state with a far lower GDP than the one they are currently in. And the Cardinals, even though they did take public money for Busch 3, it was much less than other cities.
Doesn’t bother me. I’m not a Chiefs fan. Teams move if they can get taxpayers to pay for a new stadium. I’m over the football Cardinals and Rams leaving. Who knows, the DeWitt’s may be getting the itch for a new home.
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm
It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm
It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
The Kansas City Chiefs will still be the Kansas City Chiefs. It’s basically if the Cardinals decided to build their next stadium in Chesterfield.
So it's okay to move a franchise if the "billionaire" owners can get a tax funded stadium and a better deal huh. Wow.
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm
It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
lol they’re moving like 20 miles. I don’t think Edwardsville is making a stadium play for the Cardinals.
Hey guess what, the 49ers don’t play in SF anymore either. And both NY football teams play in Jersey.
I'm old enough to remember the Boston Patriots.
It brings up an interesting trivia question. How many NFL teams (or MLB, etc.) play within the city limits of the city in their name?
Here's a quick list off the tip of my head.
NY Giants
Dallas
San Francisco
LA Rams
Miami
LA Chargers
*Arizona
*New England
Arizona and New England don't play in Phoenix and Boston so they belong on this list, even though they changed their name to notate the region.
Soo the Patriots just did a rebrand to New England? Foxborough is a suburb of Boston...you can't say they don't still play in Boston.
If you still fly into that city's main airport then drive less than an hour to the stadium/arena, the team still plays in that city.
They play in the suburbs. That was the whole point.
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm
It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
Move to Illinois??? Thanks for the laugh this morning. Illinois is anti-business.
Illinois has a higher GDP than Missouri. In 2024, Illinois had a GDP of approximately $1.08 trillion, while Missouri's GDP was around $72.1 billion. You need to read more and get off of Fox News.
What the heck does fox news have anything to do with it?....and having the 3rd largest city in the United States helps just a bit...
Fox News tells nothing but lies ... does that help you understand?
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
I could see them moving to southern Illinois. Dewitt mentioned that as a location one time. Lots of land out there for parking etc.
Lol.
Yeah, lots of land. Get ready Cairo. Build the stadium so a RH pull hitter can occasionally hit one into the Ohio river, and a LHH can hit one into the Mississippi.
Don't forget a retractable roof.
TV that you can watch the same game on? Why would anyone want a 1995 pick up truck VS. A 2026 model? It's kind of better because it makes them feel better.