Ohtani and Judge???Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 11:53 am It's so funny that for years people complained about the Cardinals business model and how our teams were always built to hopefully sneak in the playoffs and pray for a miracle. Now all of a sudden we are like 2 players from being real contenders? Okay.
Question for those not wanting to Rebuild
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Re: Question for those not wanting to Rebuild
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Re: Question for those not wanting to Rebuild
I get what you're saying, but I don't see it as a matter of getting or not getting the concept of a rebuild. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of people who don't.To me it's more of a question of if you think we really haven't been competitive the last few years, then why would you be against trading expensive, or soon to be expensive, veteran players?AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 12:12 pmWell not everyone gets the rebuild concept. I'm in favor so long as it is no longer than 2 years and then they go back to a higher level of salary and try to add premium type free agents. This means I give them slack 2026, and 2027 (if we even have a season) and by 2028 there better be results or I will be disappointed in this strategy.
It does get tiresome how some seem to feel entitled to ownership spending lots of it's own money for some reason.
All I heard for years from some of these same people complaining about trading these players is that the Central is terrible, so who cares if we win 87 games, we'll just get bounced from the playoffs immediately. If that's the case, what would make someone think signing Eugenio Suarez and Framber Valdez are all of a sudden going to make the team real contenders? Honestly, I think that their real gripe is that they think that this team should spend like a big market team and be able to throw money at whatever problem you have and continue just to sign free agents, but that's another story.
I do agree with your timeline, though. People are starting to say that this is a top five farm system right now. It's only going to get better once we trade Donovan and (if we can trade him) Contreras. I think it's possible that we're pretty decent in 2027 and there's no reason to think that 2028 you really start to see the results. And even next offseason, if there's a pitcher or position player out there as a free agent that they really like, I think they should sign him, even if they still aren't very confident they'll be that great in 2027. If Walker or Gorman or both break out this year, then I'm definitely moving up my timeline to 2027. And I expect the Cardinals to spend accordingly whenever that time comes. We need to be back at a top ten to top third payroll team.