HOF voting update

[JohnTudor1985]

With just under 10% of the ballots made public, voting on players of note:

Beltran (4th year) 77.8%
Andru Jones (9th) 77.8%

Utley (3rd) 58.3%
Felix Hernandez (2nd) 52.8%
Abreu (7th) 41.7%

Beltran and Jones may come up a little short again; make it next year. Utley and Felix eventually.

2027 candidates: Posey gets in; Lester eventually gets in

2028: Albert and Yadi.

[ecleme22]

I doubt Lester gets in…

[Ike Hammett]

With just under 10% of the ballots made public, voting on players of note:

Beltran (4th year) 77.8%
Andru Jones (9th) 77.8%

Utley (3rd) 58.3%
Felix Hernandez (2nd) 52.8%
Abreu (7th) 41.7%

Beltran and Jones may come up a little short again; make it next year. Utley and Felix eventually.

2027 candidates: Posey gets in; Lester eventually gets in

2028: Albert and Yadi.

Looks like the writers got it about perfect 10% of the way in.

Beltran = yes but a mid teir HOF' er 4th, 5th, 6th ballot is good.

Andruw Jones = probably/ yes but a weak one, 9th or 10th ballot okay.

Chase Utley = I don't know anymore, longevity is still a big deal to me in this time, no for now but let's see how voting trends for a different generation. Seems like one of those veterans comitee vote in if the game continues to be more about peak instead of totals and big numbers.

King Felix = same as Utley to me, maybe one day but a no for now.


Bobby Abreau = no

Posey= Hall of Famer, probably a little higher than Beltran 2nd, 3rd, or 4th ballot.

Pujols= should be almost unanimous if not so, definitely 1st ballot!

Yadi= same as Andruw Jones, yes but late

Lester= no

[Swuhgen]

Felix is not an HoFer.

Utley is an interesting case. Elite defender that never won a gold glove.

[Mort Gage]

Beltran's career numbers are a clear Yes. But I can't get past the 2017 cheating scandal. Andruw Jones was possibly the best defensive CF ever, had 434 HR, and before his sharp decline had an incredible run from '97-07. His domestic violence incident was terrible but it didn't undermine the integrity of the game like Beltran and his teammates did.

[rockondlouie]

Beltran (4th year) 77.8%
Andrew Jones (9th) 77.8%

Utley (3rd) 58.3%
Felix Hernandez (2nd) 52.8%
Abreu (7th) 41.7%

None of them are Hall of Famers but the watered down Hall will put one or two of them in.

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

I doubt Lester gets in…

Agree

[sp25]

With just under 10% of the ballots made public, voting on players of note:

Beltran (4th year) 77.8%
Andru Jones (9th) 77.8%

Utley (3rd) 58.3%
Felix Hernandez (2nd) 52.8%
Abreu (7th) 41.7%

Beltran and Jones may come up a little short again; make it next year. Utley and Felix eventually.

2027 candidates: Posey gets in; Lester eventually gets in

2028: Albert and Yadi.

It will be interesting to see if the voters let Yadi ride Albert's coattails so that they may be voted in together in 2028.

Ultimately, what is the point of making someone wait to be voted in? They are either a HOFer or they are not.

[ICCFIM2]

Beltran (4th year) 77.8%
Andrew Jones (9th) 77.8%

Utley (3rd) 58.3%
Felix Hernandez (2nd) 52.8%
Abreu (7th) 41.7%

None of them are Hall of Famers but the watered down Hall will put one or two of them in.

Cheating scandal aside, why do you think Carlos Beltran is not a HOF player? His counting stats are there. He was a top 10 player in the league for a decade. Perhaps not the best player in the league or at his position, but elite for a long time.

[ScotchMIrish]

When the let the Boston roid boy in the HOF that diminished it significantly and disrespected those who went before.

[Ike Hammett]

With just under 10% of the ballots made public, voting on players of note:

Beltran (4th year) 77.8%
Andru Jones (9th) 77.8%

Utley (3rd) 58.3%
Felix Hernandez (2nd) 52.8%
Abreu (7th) 41.7%

Beltran and Jones may come up a little short again; make it next year. Utley and Felix eventually.

2027 candidates: Posey gets in; Lester eventually gets in

2028: Albert and Yadi.

It will be interesting to see if the voters let Yadi ride Albert's coattails so that they may be voted in together in 2028.

Ultimately, what is the point of making someone wait to be voted in? They are either a HOFer or they are not.

Voters only get 10 votes (i think). They might support someone who is becoming close to ineligible Vs another borderline player earlier in their years. Also some voters might support a really fringe candidate just to keep them on the ballot. I'm not a voter but personally I believe ballot number and vote percent is a reflection of the career. To me there is a huge difference between Pujols and Andruw Jones even though I think they should both be in.

[Absolut]

Felix is not an HoFer.

Utley is an interesting case. Elite defender that never won a gold glove.

Agree on Felix. Comps to wainwright. Hall of very good

[kscardsfan]

Albert is the only one on that list.

[rockondlouie]

Beltran (4th year) 77.8%
Andrew Jones (9th) 77.8%

Utley (3rd) 58.3%
Felix Hernandez (2nd) 52.8%
Abreu (7th) 41.7%

None of them are Hall of Famers but the watered down Hall will put one or two of them in.

Cheating scandal aside, why do you think Carlos Beltran is not a HOF player? His counting stats are there. He was a top 10 player in the league for a decade. Perhaps not the best player in the league or at his position, but elite for a long time.

Well aside for him already being passed over three times, his counting stats are NOT there Hall of Fame wise:

-He didn't hit 500 HR's

-He didn't have 3,000 hits

-.279 .350 .486 .837 isn't a Hall of Fame worthy slash (IMO)

-Neither is his 119 OPS+/118 wRC+

-The only major award he ever won was ROY

As you can see, his JAWS falls just short of Hall Level:
WS
Center Field (9th):
Beltran 70.0 career WAR | 44.4 7yr-peak WAR | 57.2 JAWS | 4.4 WAR/162
Average HOF CF (out of 19):
71.3 career WAR | 44.6 7yr-peak WAR | 58.0 JAWS | 5.4 WAR/162

-I also don't rule out being a PED abuser as well, especially given we know he's wide open to cheating.


-He was a nine time all-star which is Hall of Fame level

-And his 67.4 fWar is impressive

Like I said, two (other A. Jones) will likely get into the watered down Hall and he could be one but he's a Hall of Very, Very Good which is JMO.

[Ike Hammett]

Beltran (4th year) 77.8%
Andrew Jones (9th) 77.8%

Utley (3rd) 58.3%
Felix Hernandez (2nd) 52.8%
Abreu (7th) 41.7%

None of them are Hall of Famers but the watered down Hall will put one or two of them in.

Cheating scandal aside, why do you think Carlos Beltran is not a HOF player? His counting stats are there. He was a top 10 player in the league for a decade. Perhaps not the best player in the league or at his position, but elite for a long time.

Well aside for him already being passed over three times, his counting stats are NOT there Hall of Fame wise:

-He didn't hit 500 HR's

-He didn't have 3,000 hits

-.279 .350 .486 .837 isn't a Hall of Fame worthy slash (IMO)

-Neither is his 119 OPS+/118 wRC+

-The only major award he ever won was ROY

As you can see, his JAWS falls just short of Hall Level:
WS
Center Field (9th):
Beltran 70.0 career WAR | 44.4 7yr-peak WAR | 57.2 JAWS | 4.4 WAR/162
Average HOF CF (out of 19):
71.3 career WAR | 44.6 7yr-peak WAR | 58.0 JAWS | 5.4 WAR/162

-I also don't rule out being a PED abuser as well, especially given we know he's wide open to cheating.


-He was a nine time all-star which is Hall of Fame level

-And his 67.4 fWar is impressive

Like I said, two (other A. Jones) will likely get into the watered down Hall and he could be one but he's a Hall of Very, Very Good which is JMO.

You're right, it's true, the hall of fame is getting watered down and the stats of old are not really matched (500 Hrs 3000 hits etc). It's because the game is becoming more and more specialized. It's getting harder to compete at those levels due to the combination specialized talent and an importance to constantly find better players.

Beltran had both longevity and a decent peak in the modern game, has decent counting stats and was considered a star in his time. Like 300 wins, you can't really compare these players to those of a different generation.

[JohnTudor1985]

We're going to have a similar discussion on pitching in a few years. After Verlander, Scherzer, Kershaw get voted in, the pitching stats get pretty weak.

Even Kershaw is interesting; after age 27, he never pitched 180 IP's in a season.

The criteria for the HOF voting is going to evolve, especially for SP''s.