Cusecards wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
Again.....exactly WHO have we moved on from SO FAR that makes sense for the future?
Fedde??
Mikolas??
Gray???
Based on age/productivity they all made sense!
Add Arenado to that list of making sense.
Contreras is borderline to me.
Now....if they move Donovan that is a different story but I don’t think he moves unless Bloom gets his price in return.
Otherwise Donovan stays!
So, who are they adding for today and the future? Dustin May (28) on a 1-Year Deal?
You don’t think it’s convenient that a good start to the season makes him a valuable trade chip at the deadline?
Cusecards wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
Again.....exactly WHO have we moved on from SO FAR that makes sense for the future?
Fedde??
Mikolas??
Gray???
Based on age/productivity they all made sense!
Add Arenado to that list of making sense.
Contreras is borderline to me.
Now....if they move Donovan that is a different story but I don’t think he moves unless Bloom gets his price in return.
Otherwise Donovan stays!
So, who are they adding for today and the future? Dustin May (28) on a 1-Year Deal?
You don’t think it’s convenient that a good start to the season makes him a valuable trade chip at the deadline?
Seems to be two slightly different intents here/ May may do well. In fact it m going the other way. I say 30 starts-15-6.
Cusecards wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
Again.....exactly WHO have we moved on from SO FAR that makes sense for the future?
Fedde??
Mikolas??
Gray???
Based on age/productivity they all made sense!
Add Arenado to that list of making sense.
Contreras is borderline to me.
Now....if they move Donovan that is a different story but I don’t think he moves unless Bloom gets his price in return.
Otherwise Donovan stays!
So, who are they adding for today and the future? Dustin May (28) on a 1-Year Deal?
You don’t think it’s convenient that a good start to the season makes him a valuable trade chip at the deadline?
Seems to be two slightly different intents here/ May may do well. In fact it m going the other way. I say 30 starts-15-6.
Very real that he is a deadline deal.
As for the moves made- they made sense.
Made sense… for winning a World Series? Winning the Division? Qualifying for the playoffs? Selling tickets? Selling at the deadline? Selling the team to a new owner?
Cusecards wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
Again.....exactly WHO have we moved on from SO FAR that makes sense for the future?
Fedde??
Mikolas??
Gray???
Based on age/productivity they all made sense!
Add Arenado to that list of making sense.
Contreras is borderline to me.
Now....if they move Donovan that is a different story but I don’t think he moves unless Bloom gets his price in return.
Otherwise Donovan stays!
So, who are they adding for today and the future? Dustin May (28) on a 1-Year Deal?
You don’t think it’s convenient that a good start to the season makes him a valuable trade chip at the deadline?
Seems to be two slightly different intents here/ May may do well. In fact it m going the other way. I say 30 starts-15-6.
Very real that he is a deadline deal.
As for the moves made- they made sense.
Made sense… for winning a World Series? Winning the Division? Qualifying for the playoffs? Selling tickets? Selling at the deadline? Selling the team to a new owner?
Talking about Fedde Mik and Gray. They had there time here. .500. Letting them go is good.
As for your questions- winning a WS- not near. In fact getting to WS is a distant ships smoke on the horizon. It’s a ways.
ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 20:32 pm
Not tanking. Rebuilding.
Can you list what the Cards have “Rebuilt” with?
So far we received a RH SP who has an injury history and a 5.00 ERA and a LH minor league injury history SP
UNLESS Bloom acquires greater talent than he’s trading and produces greater talent out of the minors than is currently on this team this “rebuild” is a fantasy
I don’t think you quite understand quite how a rebuild works.
In a rebuild you accumulate as many high end prospects as possible because not all will hit but the more you have the more you will have that hit and when they do you then sign and trade for players who fill the holes around them. Previously every few years the cardinals would develop a starter with top of the rotation stuff wacha or Reyes or flaherty but because they sucked at accumulating talent their eggs were in one basket and when injuries derailed them the cardinals had no other high upside arms. Now bloom is taking steps to accumulate as many high upside arms as possible Doyle, Franklin Clarke he will probably pick up a couple of more and the chances are one of them will hit. Gray hasn’t helped the cardinals win anything he wasn’t going to help them win anything next season the weren’t ever going to get some super ace for him anyone who
Thinks they could have are delusional
The 2025 Cardinals were 21-11 (0.656 Win%) in Games Started by Sonny Gray.
Cusecards wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
Again.....exactly WHO have we moved on from SO FAR that makes sense for the future?
Fedde??
Mikolas??
Gray???
Based on age/productivity they all made sense!
Add Arenado to that list of making sense.
Contreras is borderline to me.
Now....if they move Donovan that is a different story but I don’t think he moves unless Bloom gets his price in return.
Otherwise Donovan stays!
So, who are they adding for today and the future? Dustin May (28) on a 1-Year Deal?
You don’t think it’s convenient that a good start to the season makes him a valuable trade chip at the deadline?
Seems to be two slightly different intents here/ May may do well. In fact it m going the other way. I say 30 starts-15-6.
Very real that he is a deadline deal.
As for the moves made- they made sense.
Made sense… for winning a World Series? Winning the Division? Qualifying for the playoffs? Selling tickets? Selling at the deadline? Selling the team to a new owner?
Talking about Fedde Mik and Gray. They had there time here. .500. Letting them go is good.
As for your questions- winning a WS- not near. In fact getting to WS is a distant ships smoke on the horizon. It’s a ways.
Division- couple years.
Playoffs a year or so.
Selling tickets- need a star.
Selling team- one day.
So, the goal in 2026 is not to win, not to sell tickets, but to just exist, then?
Thus far, the highest expectation I’ve seen anyone post is for the team to win 75 Games. That is for the current/planned construction that has them parting with Arenado, Contreras, and Donovan.
What happens if this team is hovering around .500 at the deadline? Do you think they are they “Buying” since you don’t believe they are competing in 2026?
Cusecards wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
Again.....exactly WHO have we moved on from SO FAR that makes sense for the future?
Fedde??
Mikolas??
Gray???
Based on age/productivity they all made sense!
Add Arenado to that list of making sense.
Contreras is borderline to me.
Now....if they move Donovan that is a different story but I don’t think he moves unless Bloom gets his price in return.
Otherwise Donovan stays!
So, who are they adding for today and the future? Dustin May (28) on a 1-Year Deal?
You don’t think it’s convenient that a good start to the season makes him a valuable trade chip at the deadline?
Seems to be two slightly different intents here/ May may do well. In fact it m going the other way. I say 30 starts-15-6.
Very real that he is a deadline deal.
As for the moves made- they made sense.
Made sense… for winning a World Series? Winning the Division? Qualifying for the playoffs? Selling tickets? Selling at the deadline? Selling the team to a new owner?
Talking about Fedde Mik and Gray. They had there time here. .500. Letting them go is good.
As for your questions- winning a WS- not near. In fact getting to WS is a distant ships smoke on the horizon. It’s a ways.
Division- couple years.
Playoffs a year or so.
Selling tickets- need a star.
Selling team- one day.
So, the goal in 2026 is not to win, not to sell tickets, but to just exist, then?
Thus far, the highest expectation I’ve seen anyone post is for the team to win 75 Games. That is for the current/planned construction that has them parting with Arenado, Contreras, and Donovan.
What happens if this team is hovering around .500 at the deadline? Do you think they are they “Buying” since you don’t believe they are competing in 2026?
There is a difference in wanting to compete and competing. I think the want and desire is there. I do.
We have ourselves in a hole. Walmart shopping won’t do it this time. Gotta go bigger. Stronger. Than a usual resurge.
As for actually competing. I don’t think we have the horses yet. We are accumulating. If correct, our day will come.
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 16:48 pm
Well first I don't think they are tanking. That would imply they want to lose more games. And the new lottery system doesn't guarantee the 1st pick anyway. So no point. I expect they will try to win as many games as possible unless it contradicts with the primary function of completing the rebuild. Such as keeping Donovan would contradict the effort to be a true contender in 2027 and beyond.
Looks to me as if he is doing everything he can to load the farm system with high ceiling potential aiming at creating a nucleus of talent to draw on beginning as soon as 2027. So far I'd say the team has done pretty much the right kind of stuff to accomplish that.
Still need to see Donovan dealt for prospects and Romero if they can get anything good. Whatever. History is always nice to read but the game is different and STL is a different city.
Agree
Not exactly sure where this thought of tanking comes from??
Assuming they deal Arenado(and possibly Contreras) they are basically moving on from players who are aging and past their primes.
That just makes common sense.
The key is can they draft and DEVELOP their younger talent?
Something that has dropped off in recent years.
If you're seriously trying to win next year, you probably don't trade your best pitcher, best lefty reliever, best hitter. That's just common sense. Arenado? Okay, he's replaceable the way he played. Gray wasn't great but he was the best on the team. Contreras was their most feared hitter and productive enough. Jojo was their best lefty reliever and something that's hard to replace for a contending team. So if that's not tanking then what is it? Now if the young pitchers they got for Gray step up and replace his production or better then that's me eating crow. But why replace your best hitter and best lefty reliever? Only reason is to cut salary and hope of hitting the lottery with some minor league prospects. Either way, if you're going into a season planning on not competing then you're tanking in my book.
Amen, brother!
That’s the way I see it too! Dewitt, wants to cut the payroll as much as possible until there’s a new labor agreement. No other excuse to get rid of all the players they are talking about.
Yes it’s terrible that they’re trading these guys, especially after all the winning the Cards have experienced with them on the team!
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 20:30 pm
Zero chance we are tanking for the #1 pick.
No, I think it's multiple reasons but going after that high draft pick is in the mix. With the lottery system no one is guaranteed no. 1 but you will get into the top 5 to 10 most likely, if you lose enough. There's no doubt the collective bargaining is involved. And then there's Dewitt's preference for pinching pennies. Other teams step out of their comfort zone for a chance to win, the Cards don't appear to want to do that.
Just don’t call it a SALARY DUMP exercise….. around 40mil DUMPED from Starting rotation since last year with a minor league lefty to show for it AND two 5.00ERA losing record SP……
REBUILD
Cusecards wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
Again.....exactly WHO have we moved on from SO FAR that makes sense for the future?
Fedde??
Mikolas??
Gray???
Based on age/productivity they all made sense!
Add Arenado to that list of making sense.
Contreras is borderline to me.
Now....if they move Donovan that is a different story but I don’t think he moves unless Bloom gets his price in return.
Otherwise Donovan stays!
So, who are they adding for today and the future? Dustin May (28) on a 1-Year Deal?
You don’t think it’s convenient that a good start to the season makes him a valuable trade chip at the deadline?
Seems to be two slightly different intents here/ May may do well. In fact it m going the other way. I say 30 starts-15-6.
Very real that he is a deadline deal.
As for the moves made- they made sense.
Agree
I like the May move a lot NOT because I believe he’s a given to produce but because it has low risk high reward potential.
Cusecards wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025 09:08 am
I will concede that there is a major “dump” in a certain posters pants on a daily basis.
It corresponds with the whining and crying.
40mil offloaded from starting pitching last year with two 5.00ERA replacements and a minor league lefty(Rebuilding)
But DON’t call that a SALARY DUMP exercise
And you think it’s about keeping an Old Gray and MIles. No, it’s about 40mil leaving starting rotation….with VERY little brought back to (Rebuild)
Cusecards wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025 09:08 am
I will concede that there is a major “dump” in a certain posters pants on a daily basis.
It corresponds with the whining and crying.
40mil offloaded from starting pitching last year with two 5.00ERA replacements and a minor league lefty(Rebuilding)
But DON’t call that a SALARY DUMP exercise
And you think it’s about keeping an Old Gray and MIles. No, it’s about 40mil leaving starting rotation….with VERY little brought back to (Rebuild)
YOU brought up Mikolas you whining babbler!
1) Go change your Depends.
2) Get a fresh Binky.
3) Oh....and instead of obsessing over ME why don’t you respond to the OTHER numerous posters who have called you out? Especially the one who referred to you as a “Pubescent Girl” which is exactly what you act like!
You have ZERO original knowledge of baseball.
You either:
*Whine and cry
or
*Copy articles from others that supports your whining.
I’ll now let you have the last word that will no doubt contain a bunch of childish emojis.
