Q Hughes to Wild for a HAUL

[TheJackBurton]

What kind of offer could the Blues made similar to the Wild centered around Mailloux?

Mails
Stenberg
2 Top 10 protected first round picks

Likely one that the Blues would regret.

A comparable deal for Hughes?

Something like Dvorsky (Buium), Neighbours or Holloway (Rossi), Lindstein (Ohgren), and a 1st.

For the position we're in... definitely not.

How else do we get in on elite talent like Hughes, Eichel, Tkachuk who rarely become available?

and yet they did become available. Just have to be in the right place at the right time, have the cap space and the assets. Right now we have quality assets, but it also has to be assets that team is looking for. In the case of Vancouver they had to get back a dman who could potentially at least replace 75% of what Hughes was and we don't have anything close to that currently. Buium has a long way to go, but you can easily see the talent he has.

Yeah I was big on Buium in the draft. And def want as much flexibility as possible regarding assets and cap space to be able to maximize a Cup window.

and yet they did become available

Well those 3 guys were the only (somewhat) young elite players in recent memory that I could remember being traded.

What’s important is the conditions that led to their availability.

Eichel’s health situation was unpredictable so we can’t expect that to repeat in the next 20 years.

OTOH frustrated elite players who want greener pastures, yes this will happen again. When is the question.

Overall there aren’t that many elite players and most teams want to try to lock them down for obvious reasons.

Are the Blues and Blues fans just supposed to wait until the next dumb organization is forced to trade their young superstar?

It could reasonably be 2, 3, maybe 5 years or more before we see the next one truly elite player on the move.

Why not make an alternative move now?

Sell baby, sell.

Sell what? It's not even January yet. We don't have much in the way that many would want available, and what they would want isn't available.

This isn't 2022, we don't have a Ryan O'Reilly on an expiring contract or others. Players that would garner our biggest returns are locked down for several years, or we certainly don't want to trade them we are building with them.

Unless Edmonton makes a serious push this year, McDavid is likely gone. I'm not saying we'll be in those sweepstakes but that will create a ripple effect, and we need to be in on that when it does.

Sell what you can that won’t be core piece on a Cup team in 4 years.

(bleep) these contracts are stupid:

https://puckpedia.com/team/st-louis-blues

Move Faulk for sure hopefully a late first

Who replaces him? Mailleaux isn't ready for a top 4 spot and we don't have anyone else who can and the majority who will be UFA are either going to cost 10+ million or are over the age of 32. It just doesn't make sense to trade him until we have a replacement for him.

Schenn but probably a year too soon

It's not easy to trade your captain especially one everyone loves

Buch but its hard to see another team being that dumb

Full no trade and way too many years left

Kyrou for futures or hockey trade (Brady)

Full No trade, but this is the player that garners the best return, but he decides where he goes and that makes it tough

Hate to trade Binny but Berube may pull some strings

Berube no longer works for us, goalers don't get you much in trades, and we don't have anyone in line to replace him even as a backup this season

Regarding McDavid — doubtful he comes to the confused mess in St Louis and we don’t want to spend top dollar on a 1C his age going forward. Also I don’t see a big ripple effect bc of him changing teams but time will tell. Certainly wouldn’t sit on my hands in anticipation of it.

I specifically stated I sincerely doubt we get involved in that mess because of what it would take to get him, what I meant was once he's traded other spots will open up, not even talking specifically center, that will make players available and we need to be ready to jump on it.

[Bacchk29]

What kind of offer could the Blues made similar to the Wild centered around Mailloux?

Mails
Stenberg
2 Top 10 protected first round picks

Likely one that the Blues would regret.

A comparable deal for Hughes?

Something like Dvorsky (Buium), Neighbours or Holloway (Rossi), Lindstein (Ohgren), and a 1st.

For the position we're in... definitely not.

How else do we get in on elite talent like Hughes, Eichel, Tkachuk who rarely become available?

and yet they did become available. Just have to be in the right place at the right time, have the cap space and the assets. Right now we have quality assets, but it also has to be assets that team is looking for. In the case of Vancouver they had to get back a dman who could potentially at least replace 75% of what Hughes was and we don't have anything close to that currently. Buium has a long way to go, but you can easily see the talent he has.

Yeah I was big on Buium in the draft. And def want as much flexibility as possible regarding assets and cap space to be able to maximize a Cup window.

and yet they did become available

Well those 3 guys were the only (somewhat) young elite players in recent memory that I could remember being traded.

What’s important is the conditions that led to their availability.

Eichel’s health situation was unpredictable so we can’t expect that to repeat in the next 20 years.

OTOH frustrated elite players who want greener pastures, yes this will happen again. When is the question.

Overall there aren’t that many elite players and most teams want to try to lock them down for obvious reasons.

Are the Blues and Blues fans just supposed to wait until the next dumb organization is forced to trade their young superstar?

It could reasonably be 2, 3, maybe 5 years or more before we see the next one truly elite player on the move.

Why not make an alternative move now?

Sell baby, sell.

Sell what? It's not even January yet. We don't have much in the way that many would want available, and what they would want isn't available.

This isn't 2022, we don't have a Ryan O'Reilly on an expiring contract or others. Players that would garner our biggest returns are locked down for several years, or we certainly don't want to trade them we are building with them.

Unless Edmonton makes a serious push this year, McDavid is likely gone. I'm not saying we'll be in those sweepstakes but that will create a ripple effect, and we need to be in on that when it does.

Sell what you can that won’t be core piece on a Cup team in 4 years.

(drat) these contracts are stupid:

https://puckpedia.com/team/st-louis-blues

Move Faulk for sure hopefully a late first

Who replaces him? Mailleaux isn't ready for a top 4 spot and we don't have anyone else who can and the majority who will be UFA are either going to cost 10+ million or are over the age of 32. It just doesn't make sense to trade him until we have a replacement for him.

Schenn but probably a year too soon

It's not easy to trade your captain especially one everyone loves

Buch but its hard to see another team being that dumb

Full no trade and way too many years left

Kyrou for futures or hockey trade (Brady)

Full No trade, but this is the player that garners the best return, but he decides where he goes and that makes it tough

Hate to trade Binny but Berube may pull some strings

Berube no longer works for us, goalers don't get you much in trades, and we don't have anyone in line to replace him even as a backup this season

Regarding McDavid — doubtful he comes to the confused mess in St Louis and we don’t want to spend top dollar on a 1C his age going forward. Also I don’t see a big ripple effect bc of him changing teams but time will tell. Certainly wouldn’t sit on my hands in anticipation of it.

I specifically stated I sincerely doubt we get involved in that mess because of what it would take to get him, what I meant was once he's traded other spots will open up, not even talking specifically center, that will make players available and we need to be ready to jump on it.

So Jack are you prepared to be the 10th best team in the conference for at least the next 2 years hoping that you get a game breaker out of your prospects in house. That’s fine but not me. If you’re wrong you’ve set the rebuild back another two years and THAT might be something the owners won’t sit through. Rip the band aid off now! BTW, that Binner contract is untradeable unless we retain money.

[TheJackBurton]

and yet they did become available. Just have to be in the right place at the right time, have the cap space and the assets. Right now we have quality assets, but it also has to be assets that team is looking for. In the case of Vancouver they had to get back a dman who could potentially at least replace 75% of what Hughes was and we don't have anything close to that currently. Buium has a long way to go, but you can easily see the talent he has.

Yeah I was big on Buium in the draft. And def want as much flexibility as possible regarding assets and cap space to be able to maximize a Cup window.

and yet they did become available

Well those 3 guys were the only (somewhat) young elite players in recent memory that I could remember being traded.

What’s important is the conditions that led to their availability.

Eichel’s health situation was unpredictable so we can’t expect that to repeat in the next 20 years.

OTOH frustrated elite players who want greener pastures, yes this will happen again. When is the question.

Overall there aren’t that many elite players and most teams want to try to lock them down for obvious reasons.

Are the Blues and Blues fans just supposed to wait until the next dumb organization is forced to trade their young superstar?

It could reasonably be 2, 3, maybe 5 years or more before we see the next one truly elite player on the move.

Why not make an alternative move now?

Sell baby, sell.

Sell what? It's not even January yet. We don't have much in the way that many would want available, and what they would want isn't available.

This isn't 2022, we don't have a Ryan O'Reilly on an expiring contract or others. Players that would garner our biggest returns are locked down for several years, or we certainly don't want to trade them we are building with them.

Unless Edmonton makes a serious push this year, McDavid is likely gone. I'm not saying we'll be in those sweepstakes but that will create a ripple effect, and we need to be in on that when it does.

Sell what you can that won’t be core piece on a Cup team in 4 years.

(drat) these contracts are stupid:

https://puckpedia.com/team/st-louis-blues

Move Faulk for sure hopefully a late first

Who replaces him? Mailleaux isn't ready for a top 4 spot and we don't have anyone else who can and the majority who will be UFA are either going to cost 10+ million or are over the age of 32. It just doesn't make sense to trade him until we have a replacement for him.

Schenn but probably a year too soon

It's not easy to trade your captain especially one everyone loves

Buch but its hard to see another team being that dumb

Full no trade and way too many years left

Kyrou for futures or hockey trade (Brady)

Full No trade, but this is the player that garners the best return, but he decides where he goes and that makes it tough

Hate to trade Binny but Berube may pull some strings

Berube no longer works for us, goalers don't get you much in trades, and we don't have anyone in line to replace him even as a backup this season

Regarding McDavid — doubtful he comes to the confused mess in St Louis and we don’t want to spend top dollar on a 1C his age going forward. Also I don’t see a big ripple effect bc of him changing teams but time will tell. Certainly wouldn’t sit on my hands in anticipation of it.

I specifically stated I sincerely doubt we get involved in that mess because of what it would take to get him, what I meant was once he's traded other spots will open up, not even talking specifically center, that will make players available and we need to be ready to jump on it.

So Jack are you prepared to be the 10th best team in the conference for at least the next 2 years hoping that you get a game breaker out of your prospects in house. That’s fine but not me. If you’re wrong you’ve set the rebuild back another two years and THAT might be something the owners won’t sit through. Rip the band aid off now! BTW, that Binner contract is untradeable unless we retain money.

Were we prepared to be the 10th best team in the conference for the next 3 years this off season?

No we were not. Things change season to season. I'm not saying don't make any moves, in fact it would be completely against Army to sit on his hands. He isn't gutting the team though that simply isn't happening.