Are odds good that Cardinals will add a player to Donovan deal to finalize the trade ?

[MrPostman01]

So far Donovan is the only mlb proven player and he is of all-star quality with 2 years left on the YOUNG man's contract. Nobody has offered the Cardinals a rising star already in the mlb.

So if our GM does get that improved player (not Cards wimping out and throwing yet another player without more from them!) he will also open up a slot for JJ and if all goes well the Cards may get that Prospect Promotion Incentive pick.

[C-Unit]

That may be possible but we are entirely in the dark making guesses. The way I’m looking at this is the Cardinals aren’t happy with what has been offered and are holding out for a change of heart from a team.

Maybe the possible availability of Marte is slowing some teams down. He’s a better player who could be used at the same position as Donovan. I’ve heard Seattle has interest in both players. I’ve heard Boston has interest in both. Same with the Mets. Same with the Yankees. I think when Arizona makes a decision on Marte then some teams will change their focus back to Donovan.

The one thing that has baffled me is if there was all of this interest in Donovan from all of these teams and the Cardinals according to a report from Woo have narrowed it down to players from the Mariners and the Giants, no one was going to offer more than what the Giants offered? The Giants don’t have a lot to offer but that wasn’t hard to beat. The Yankees, the Mets, the Sox could all do better if there was true interest unless they are holding back trying to offer more to acquire Marte.

The Mariners I’m not understanding unless they are also holding back hoping to land Marte. The Mariners don’t want to offer up any starters from the major league staff and want to hang onto their top pitching prospects also. I understand that to a point but if you want to make a deal then you have be a little flexible. You will give up your #3 and #7 prospects but you won’t give up your #4 prospect.

This is all speculation because we don’t really know what is going on but I think that Marte might be slowing things up a little. I think the Cardinals would do a deal with Martes and Sloan, even if they have to add another piece but maybe the Mariners can’t make that commitment with the possibility of Marte being available. If the Mariners keep their current starting rotation and the Cardinals aren’t asking for the Mariners top pitching prospect in Cade Anderson, is Sloan such a deal breaker he couldn’t be in this deal. He’s still a couple of years away and things change a lot in a couple of years.

To answer your question maybe the Cardinals do add a Romero to this deal to get a player they would rather have although BTV probably finds a Sloan and Martes deal not that much out of line. I think that once the Marte situation clears up, maybe a couple more suitors take more interest.

The answer is Donovan is a JAG. The return is not what people on here expect.

It's a step down from Marte. If you think you're going to get a premier prospect for Donovan, then you're going to be adding to the package to where you're giving Seattle a one-stop-shop to fix all the holes so they can contend right now.

So then do you want to combine pieces to try and get the highest single value prospects you can. Or deal them individually, and rely on Bloom and scouting to peck out the 45 and 45+ FV value players (and amass a quantity of them) who they believe will rise in value with us and outperform their current prospect status. I personally would be ok with the second option. One top flight prospect could easily get hurt and become a waste. Otherwise, getting 6-8 45+ types into the system could prove to have great upside for the overall roster overtime.

[ICCFIM2]

Just listened to the 101.1 segment where they interviewed the Seattle equivalent of Katie Woo. She did not add too much to what has already been discussed. Her comments.

1. Seattle wants a leadoff hitter and Donovan fills that gap.
2. Marte is the higher valued player and likely will pursue first. The issue is how high is the cost.
3. They will not trade from the major league rotation.
4. If Cardinals wanted a starter with ML experience, the Mariners would trade either Logan Evans or Emerson Hancock who were both 45 prospects that project as #5 starters.
5. She got back to the same package that has been discussed on this board ad nauseum, Montes and Cijntje or alternatively Arroyo instead of Montes.
6. She likes Montes a lot. She thinks coaching can make him a viable OF. Cijntje, it sounded like there were problems with the RH/LH thing, i.e. the player really wants to continue with it and the team thinks just going RH is the best idea.
7. Donovan would not rate obtaining either Anderson or Sloan, that would be a Marte level trade.
8. Probably exhaust discussions to obtain Marte before a Donovan deal, but the situation is fluid. Seattle thinks they are 2 pieces away from being a WS contender, leadoff hitter and another bat. Donovan is one of the pieces with Marte being the preferred piece.

That was my take away from the conversation. As I am writing this, a deal has probably been announced...

[renostl]

Just listened to the 101.1 segment where they interviewed the Seattle equivalent of Katie Woo. She did not add too much to what has already been discussed. Her comments.

1. Seattle wants a leadoff hitter and Donovan fills that gap.
2. Marte is the higher valued player and likely will pursue first. The issue is how high is the cost.
3. They will not trade from the major league rotation.
4. If Cardinals wanted a starter with ML experience, the Mariners would trade either Logan Evans or Emerson Hancock who were both 45 prospects that project as #5 starters.
5. She got back to the same package that has been discussed on this board ad nauseum, Montes and Cijntje or alternatively Arroyo instead of Montes.
6. She likes Montes a lot. She thinks coaching can make him a viable OF. Cijntje, it sounded like there were problems with the RH/LH thing, i.e. the player really wants to continue with it and the team thinks just going RH is the best idea.
7. Donovan would not rate obtaining either Anderson or Sloan, that would be a Marte level trade.
8. Probably exhaust discussions to obtain Marte before a Donovan deal, but the situation is fluid. Seattle thinks they are 2 pieces away from being a WS contender, leadoff hitter and another bat. Donovan is one of the pieces with Marte being the preferred piece.

That was my take away from the conversation. As I am writing this, a deal has probably been announced...

A positive way of phrasing Seattle's situation which isn't good right now.
Them thinking they're are 2 pieces away hurts them.
Ketel represents giving up more of things they don't like giving up. Money and highly
prized prospects. It also puts them on the hook for Marte's 35, 36, and 37 seasons at
$16.5M also against their normal. Donovan will be less for 2 seasons. Allowing them more
to get a bat at about any position they want.

I have doubts about Marte being their 1st choice.

[82birds]

Just listened to the 101.1 segment where they interviewed the Seattle equivalent of Katie Woo. She did not add too much to what has already been discussed. Her comments.

1. Seattle wants a leadoff hitter and Donovan fills that gap.
2. Marte is the higher valued player and likely will pursue first. The issue is how high is the cost.
3. They will not trade from the major league rotation.
4. If Cardinals wanted a starter with ML experience, the Mariners would trade either Logan Evans or Emerson Hancock who were both 45 prospects that project as #5 starters.
5. She got back to the same package that has been discussed on this board ad nauseum, Montes and Cijntje or alternatively Arroyo instead of Montes.
6. She likes Montes a lot. She thinks coaching can make him a viable OF. Cijntje, it sounded like there were problems with the RH/LH thing, i.e. the player really wants to continue with it and the team thinks just going RH is the best idea.
7. Donovan would not rate obtaining either Anderson or Sloan, that would be a Marte level trade.
8. Probably exhaust discussions to obtain Marte before a Donovan deal, but the situation is fluid. Seattle thinks they are 2 pieces away from being a WS contender, leadoff hitter and another bat. Donovan is one of the pieces with Marte being the preferred piece.

That was my take away from the conversation. As I am writing this, a deal has probably been announced...

thanks for that ^

[ICCFIM2]

Just listened to the 101.1 segment where they interviewed the Seattle equivalent of Katie Woo. She did not add too much to what has already been discussed. Her comments.

1. Seattle wants a leadoff hitter and Donovan fills that gap.
2. Marte is the higher valued player and likely will pursue first. The issue is how high is the cost.
3. They will not trade from the major league rotation.
4. If Cardinals wanted a starter with ML experience, the Mariners would trade either Logan Evans or Emerson Hancock who were both 45 prospects that project as #5 starters.
5. She got back to the same package that has been discussed on this board ad nauseum, Montes and Cijntje or alternatively Arroyo instead of Montes.
6. She likes Montes a lot. She thinks coaching can make him a viable OF. Cijntje, it sounded like there were problems with the RH/LH thing, i.e. the player really wants to continue with it and the team thinks just going RH is the best idea.
7. Donovan would not rate obtaining either Anderson or Sloan, that would be a Marte level trade.
8. Probably exhaust discussions to obtain Marte before a Donovan deal, but the situation is fluid. Seattle thinks they are 2 pieces away from being a WS contender, leadoff hitter and another bat. Donovan is one of the pieces with Marte being the preferred piece.

That was my take away from the conversation. As I am writing this, a deal has probably been announced...

A positive way of phrasing Seattle's situation which isn't good right now.
Them thinking they're are 2 pieces away hurts them.
Ketel represents giving up more of things they don't like giving up. Money and highly
prized prospects. It also puts them on the hook for Marte's 35, 36, and 37 seasons at
$16.5M also against their normal. Donovan will be less for 2 seasons. Allowing them more
to get a bat at about any position they want.

I have doubts about Marte being their 1st choice.

I am not certain what you mean by them thinking they are 2 pieces away hurts them. What the person stated was that one of the two pieces was either replacing Suarez or being able to bring him back on a 1-2 year deal. The second piece, Marte, is either they go outside their box with what they perceive as an overpay, try to get Donovan or try to swing a deal during the season, if required. Marte has a BTV of 69. If the Diamondbacks want their top prospect, Colt Emerson, 47.5 and one of Kade Anderson or Ryan Sloan, they may not want to do that. I assume that is what you are getting at. That probably makes Donovan much more attractive.

[renostl]

Just listened to the 101.1 segment where they interviewed the Seattle equivalent of Katie Woo. She did not add too much to what has already been discussed. Her comments.

1. Seattle wants a leadoff hitter and Donovan fills that gap.
2. Marte is the higher valued player and likely will pursue first. The issue is how high is the cost.
3. They will not trade from the major league rotation.
4. If Cardinals wanted a starter with ML experience, the Mariners would trade either Logan Evans or Emerson Hancock who were both 45 prospects that project as #5 starters.
5. She got back to the same package that has been discussed on this board ad nauseum, Montes and Cijntje or alternatively Arroyo instead of Montes.
6. She likes Montes a lot. She thinks coaching can make him a viable OF. Cijntje, it sounded like there were problems with the RH/LH thing, i.e. the player really wants to continue with it and the team thinks just going RH is the best idea.
7. Donovan would not rate obtaining either Anderson or Sloan, that would be a Marte level trade.
8. Probably exhaust discussions to obtain Marte before a Donovan deal, but the situation is fluid. Seattle thinks they are 2 pieces away from being a WS contender, leadoff hitter and another bat. Donovan is one of the pieces with Marte being the preferred piece.

That was my take away from the conversation. As I am writing this, a deal has probably been announced...

A positive way of phrasing Seattle's situation which isn't good right now.
Them thinking they're are 2 pieces away hurts them.
Ketel represents giving up more of things they don't like giving up. Money and highly
prized prospects. It also puts them on the hook for Marte's 35, 36, and 37 seasons at
$16.5M also against their normal. Donovan will be less for 2 seasons. Allowing them more
to get a bat at about any position they want.

I have doubts about Marte being their 1st choice.

I am not certain what you mean by them thinking they are 2 pieces away hurts them. What the person stated was that one of the two pieces was either replacing Suarez or being able to bring him back on a 1-2 year deal. The second piece, Marte, is either they go outside their box with what they perceive as an overpay, try to get Donovan or try to swing a deal during the season, if required. Marte has a BTV of 69. If the Diamondbacks want their top prospect, Colt Emerson, 47.5 and one of Kade Anderson or Ryan Sloan, they may not want to do that. I assume that is what you are getting at. That probably makes Donovan much more attractive.

It may hurt them if it causes them to reach, in prospects or budget. It's why IMO Donovan is their best option.
If further way than 2 they wouldn't be tempted to leave their comfort zone.
Overpaying with Emerson or Anderson is far different than Sloan at 19 with a ETA of 2028. Plenty can go sideways
with such a prospect and their own CBA pick this season can put a player with an equal eta.
Future trades can also cover that give.

Marte contract may have a couple years of downside when their rotation becomes more expensive.

[ICCFIM2]

Just listened to the 101.1 segment where they interviewed the Seattle equivalent of Katie Woo. She did not add too much to what has already been discussed. Her comments.

1. Seattle wants a leadoff hitter and Donovan fills that gap.
2. Marte is the higher valued player and likely will pursue first. The issue is how high is the cost.
3. They will not trade from the major league rotation.
4. If Cardinals wanted a starter with ML experience, the Mariners would trade either Logan Evans or Emerson Hancock who were both 45 prospects that project as #5 starters.
5. She got back to the same package that has been discussed on this board ad nauseum, Montes and Cijntje or alternatively Arroyo instead of Montes.
6. She likes Montes a lot. She thinks coaching can make him a viable OF. Cijntje, it sounded like there were problems with the RH/LH thing, i.e. the player really wants to continue with it and the team thinks just going RH is the best idea.
7. Donovan would not rate obtaining either Anderson or Sloan, that would be a Marte level trade.
8. Probably exhaust discussions to obtain Marte before a Donovan deal, but the situation is fluid. Seattle thinks they are 2 pieces away from being a WS contender, leadoff hitter and another bat. Donovan is one of the pieces with Marte being the preferred piece.

That was my take away from the conversation. As I am writing this, a deal has probably been announced...

A positive way of phrasing Seattle's situation which isn't good right now.
Them thinking they're are 2 pieces away hurts them.
Ketel represents giving up more of things they don't like giving up. Money and highly
prized prospects. It also puts them on the hook for Marte's 35, 36, and 37 seasons at
$16.5M also against their normal. Donovan will be less for 2 seasons. Allowing them more
to get a bat at about any position they want.

I have doubts about Marte being their 1st choice.

I am not certain what you mean by them thinking they are 2 pieces away hurts them. What the person stated was that one of the two pieces was either replacing Suarez or being able to bring him back on a 1-2 year deal. The second piece, Marte, is either they go outside their box with what they perceive as an overpay, try to get Donovan or try to swing a deal during the season, if required. Marte has a BTV of 69. If the Diamondbacks want their top prospect, Colt Emerson, 47.5 and one of Kade Anderson or Ryan Sloan, they may not want to do that. I assume that is what you are getting at. That probably makes Donovan much more attractive.

It may hurt them if it causes them to reach, in prospects or budget. It's why IMO Donovan is their best option.
If further way than 2 they wouldn't be tempted to leave their comfort zone.
Overpaying with Emerson or Anderson is far different than Sloan at 19 with a ETA of 2028. Plenty can go sideways
with such a prospect and their own CBA pick this season can put a player with an equal eta.
Future trades can also cover that give.

Marte contract may have a couple years of downside when their rotation becomes more expensive.

Fair enough. That is the direction I thought you were going. Looking at Seattle's salary situation on COTS, they have a ton of guys that are going to get arb raises, without a lot of money coming off their books. That could sway them towards Donovan. At the same time, they have a window until 2027/2028 after which their entire rotation becomes FA eligible. Perhaps if the aforementioned prospects, Anderson and Sloan can replace 2 of the guys, their window remains open or perhaps they are willing to up payroll $50-60M to retain at least 2 of the guys. If they view the window as closing, making an over pay to try and win now, may make sense. Given that Marte is already 32, I would not do it.