Theia AI Program

[Voldemort]

I responded in another thread about Kyle Boddy and Driveline wrt Walker working at Driveline to improve his swing. Boddy is the founder of Driveline. I've known Kyle Boddy a long time, and long before he was nationally known. He is an innovator in the game. Driveline has partnered with others to test out the Theia AI program along with PLNU x Padres Biomechanics Lab. This system is different from the wearable sensors or other gadgets used in the past, in that a normal cage can be used, and the video of a hitter is run through this AI system. It measures things such as posture, rotation, timing, bat angles, ... From there, drills can be selected to improve a hitter's swing. That drillwork can also be monitored and evaluated using Theia's AI Program. IOWs, if a hitter is doing a drill to correct some "flaw," they can measure just how well they are doing the drill to correct the flaw. This is the next step or evolution for the game.

[3dender]

I predict it will have no positive impact and potentially negative in that it might waste his training time with dumb/unproven drills it scrapes from some yahoo off the internet.

[craviduce]

I responded in another thread about Kyle Boddy and Driveline wrt Walker working at Driveline to improve his swing. Boddy is the founder of Driveline. I've known Kyle Boddy a long time, and long before he was nationally known. He is an innovator in the game. Driveline has partnered with others to test out the Theia AI program along with PLNU x Padres Biomechanics Lab. This system is different from the wearable sensors or other gadgets used in the past, in that a normal cage can be used, and the video of a hitter is run through this AI system. It measures things such as posture, rotation, timing, bat angles, ... From there, drills can be selected to improve a hitter's swing. That drillwork can also be monitored and evaluated using Theia's AI Program. IOWs, if a hitter is doing a drill to correct some "flaw," they can measure just how well they are doing the drill to correct the flaw. This is the next step or evolution for the game.

that's pretty neat. Driveline has always been a fascinating tool for me. And we've seen the successes. I hope it works for Walker.

My only issue with Walker is...Walker. And his tendency to revert back to his old set up. We've seen several diifferent stances in the batters box from Walker, and then a week or two later he's back to his old form and the long, loopy swing...which exposes him to the offspeed low and away...his albatross.

Can he be fixed? We'll see.

[renostl]

I predict it will have no positive impact and potentially negative in that it might waste his training time with dumb/unproven drills it scrapes from some yahoo off the internet.

Whether it works out for any single player is irrelevant.
That's a 0% or 100% on a player that is going there after lacking success.

What you are suggesting here is that body mechanics, improved balance along with in the moment feedback while doing that training hasn't any value. That's a large part of hitting to have no value especially considering it is a part JW needs some work.

[3dender]

I predict it will have no positive impact and potentially negative in that it might waste his training time with dumb/unproven drills it scrapes from some yahoo off the internet.

Whether it works out for any single player is irrelevant.
That's a 0% or 100% on a player that is going there after lacking success.

What you are suggesting here is that body mechanics, improved balance along with in the moment feedback while doing that training hasn't any value. That's a large part of hitting to have no value especially considering it is a part JW needs some work.

Absolutely not what I'm suggesting at all, please read better.

[scoutyjones2]

I responded in another thread about Kyle Boddy and Driveline wrt Walker working at Driveline to improve his swing. Boddy is the founder of Driveline. I've known Kyle Boddy a long time, and long before he was nationally known. He is an innovator in the game. Driveline has partnered with others to test out the Theia AI program along with PLNU x Padres Biomechanics Lab. This system is different from the wearable sensors or other gadgets used in the past, in that a normal cage can be used, and the video of a hitter is run through this AI system. It measures things such as posture, rotation, timing, bat angles, ... From there, drills can be selected to improve a hitter's swing. That drillwork can also be monitored and evaluated using Theia's AI Program. IOWs, if a hitter is doing a drill to correct some "flaw," they can measure just how well they are doing the drill to correct the flaw. This is the next step or evolution for the game.

that's pretty neat. Driveline has always been a fascinating tool for me. And we've seen the successes. I hope it works for Walker.

My only issue with Walker is...Walker. And his tendency to revert back to his old set up. We've seen several diifferent stances in the batters box from Walker, and then a week or two later he's back to his old form and the long, loopy swing...which exposes him to the offspeed low and away...his albatross.

Can he be fixed? We'll see.

What Cardinal claimed Driveline for any success? Which Cardinal showed success from Driveline?

[craviduce]

I responded in another thread about Kyle Boddy and Driveline wrt Walker working at Driveline to improve his swing. Boddy is the founder of Driveline. I've known Kyle Boddy a long time, and long before he was nationally known. He is an innovator in the game. Driveline has partnered with others to test out the Theia AI program along with PLNU x Padres Biomechanics Lab. This system is different from the wearable sensors or other gadgets used in the past, in that a normal cage can be used, and the video of a hitter is run through this AI system. It measures things such as posture, rotation, timing, bat angles, ... From there, drills can be selected to improve a hitter's swing. That drillwork can also be monitored and evaluated using Theia's AI Program. IOWs, if a hitter is doing a drill to correct some "flaw," they can measure just how well they are doing the drill to correct the flaw. This is the next step or evolution for the game.

that's pretty neat. Driveline has always been a fascinating tool for me. And we've seen the successes. I hope it works for Walker.

My only issue with Walker is...Walker. And his tendency to revert back to his old set up. We've seen several diifferent stances in the batters box from Walker, and then a week or two later he's back to his old form and the long, loopy swing...which exposes him to the offspeed low and away...his albatross.

Can he be fixed? We'll see.

What Cardinal claimed Driveline for any success? Which Cardinal showed success from Driveline?

I didn't say "A Cardinal", Scouty.

[scoutyjones2]

I responded in another thread about Kyle Boddy and Driveline wrt Walker working at Driveline to improve his swing. Boddy is the founder of Driveline. I've known Kyle Boddy a long time, and long before he was nationally known. He is an innovator in the game. Driveline has partnered with others to test out the Theia AI program along with PLNU x Padres Biomechanics Lab. This system is different from the wearable sensors or other gadgets used in the past, in that a normal cage can be used, and the video of a hitter is run through this AI system. It measures things such as posture, rotation, timing, bat angles, ... From there, drills can be selected to improve a hitter's swing. That drillwork can also be monitored and evaluated using Theia's AI Program. IOWs, if a hitter is doing a drill to correct some "flaw," they can measure just how well they are doing the drill to correct the flaw. This is the next step or evolution for the game.

that's pretty neat. Driveline has always been a fascinating tool for me. And we've seen the successes. I hope it works for Walker.

My only issue with Walker is...Walker. And his tendency to revert back to his old set up. We've seen several diifferent stances in the batters box from Walker, and then a week or two later he's back to his old form and the long, loopy swing...which exposes him to the offspeed low and away...his albatross.

Can he be fixed? We'll see.

What Cardinal claimed Driveline for any success? Which Cardinal showed success from Driveline?

I didn't say "A Cardinal", Scouty.

Then who do you claim has seen success?

[craviduce]

I responded in another thread about Kyle Boddy and Driveline wrt Walker working at Driveline to improve his swing. Boddy is the founder of Driveline. I've known Kyle Boddy a long time, and long before he was nationally known. He is an innovator in the game. Driveline has partnered with others to test out the Theia AI program along with PLNU x Padres Biomechanics Lab. This system is different from the wearable sensors or other gadgets used in the past, in that a normal cage can be used, and the video of a hitter is run through this AI system. It measures things such as posture, rotation, timing, bat angles, ... From there, drills can be selected to improve a hitter's swing. That drillwork can also be monitored and evaluated using Theia's AI Program. IOWs, if a hitter is doing a drill to correct some "flaw," they can measure just how well they are doing the drill to correct the flaw. This is the next step or evolution for the game.

that's pretty neat. Driveline has always been a fascinating tool for me. And we've seen the successes. I hope it works for Walker.

My only issue with Walker is...Walker. And his tendency to revert back to his old set up. We've seen several diifferent stances in the batters box from Walker, and then a week or two later he's back to his old form and the long, loopy swing...which exposes him to the offspeed low and away...his albatross.

Can he be fixed? We'll see.

What Cardinal claimed Driveline for any success? Which Cardinal showed success from Driveline?

I didn't say "A Cardinal", Scouty.

Then who do you claim has seen success?

Top of my head...I know Travis Bazzana did driveline in 2021 or 2022...His bat speed improved tremendously, and he took off from there, it helped propel him into #1 Draft Pick in 2024. I think Ohtani has used it or some form...It probably helped him.

THere's a ton of kids that have used it to get themselves to the next level.

Here's the point... Jordan Walker is a MESS at the plate. Agreed? I'm all for him trying something that's industry proven. We all should be happy he's at least trying. I still think, though, the problem is with him and his ego.

[renostl]

I predict it will have no positive impact and potentially negative in that it might waste his training time with dumb/unproven drills it scrapes from some yahoo off the internet.

Whether it works out for any single player is irrelevant.
That's a 0% or 100% on a player that is going there after lacking success.

What you are suggesting here is that body mechanics, improved balance along with in the moment feedback while doing that training hasn't any value. That's a large part of hitting to have no value especially considering it is a part JW needs some work.

Absolutely not what I'm suggesting at all, please read better.

no positive impact and potentially negative in that it might waste his training time with dumb/unproven drills it scrapes from some yahoo off the internet.

Waste of time negative impact

please relay your opinion better

[cardsrmyteam]

No idiot on this site understands that 90% of hitting and pitching is believing in your approach or stuff. A mediocre player can become very good to great with belief. Belief produces results, results produce belief. Let’s see where this goes.

[3dender]

I predict it will have no positive impact and potentially negative in that it might waste his training time with dumb/unproven drills it scrapes from some yahoo off the internet.

Whether it works out for any single player is irrelevant.
That's a 0% or 100% on a player that is going there after lacking success.

What you are suggesting here is that body mechanics, improved balance along with in the moment feedback while doing that training hasn't any value. That's a large part of hitting to have no value especially considering it is a part JW needs some work.

Absolutely not what I'm suggesting at all, please read better.

no positive impact and potentially negative in that it might waste his training time with dumb/unproven drills it scrapes from some yahoo off the internet.

Waste of time negative impact

please relay your opinion better

You are not adequately describing what the AI will be doing, which i consider to be a waste of time.

"In the moment feedback" of how a player is performing unproven drills, and the feedback itself is based on faulty data scraping... so basically the plan is to add flawed feedback atop flawed drills... a veritable mountain of [nonsense]

So yes, waste of time at best and actively harmful at worst, if it picks a bad drill for him to do and then tells him he's not doing it correctly (i.e. badly) enough.

AI doesn't actually know more than experts, it's just aggregating a bunch of expert opinions. And what do you think happens when those experts have different and even conflicting approaches? Garbage in, garbage out.

[Voldemort]

I predict it will have no positive impact and potentially negative in that it might waste his training time with dumb/unproven drills it scrapes from some yahoo off the internet.

Whether it works out for any single player is irrelevant.
That's a 0% or 100% on a player that is going there after lacking success.

What you are suggesting here is that body mechanics, improved balance along with in the moment feedback while doing that training hasn't any value. That's a large part of hitting to have no value especially considering it is a part JW needs some work.

Absolutely not what I'm suggesting at all, please read better.

no positive impact and potentially negative in that it might waste his training time with dumb/unproven drills it scrapes from some yahoo off the internet.

Waste of time negative impact

please relay your opinion better

You are not adequately describing what the AI will be doing, which i consider to be a waste of time.

"In the moment feedback" of how a player is performing unproven drills, and the feedback itself is based on faulty data scraping... so basically the plan is to add flawed feedback atop flawed drills... a veritable mountain of [nonsense]

So yes, waste of time at best and actively harmful at worst, if it picks a bad drill for him to do and then tells him he's not doing it correctly (i.e. badly) enough.

AI doesn't actually know more than experts, it's just aggregating a bunch of expert opinions. And what do you think happens when those experts have different and even conflicting approaches? Garbage in, garbage out.

I believe that the information fed into the AI program is a composite of the other evaluation tools Driveline has been using for years. I don't communicate with Kyle anymore, but I do have a way to contact him. I'll try that and see if he responds.

[Ozziesfan41]

They can teach him the most beautiful and well balanced swing in the world and it’s not going to help him if he doesn’t learn what to and what not to swing at. He’s always had good exit velocities when he hits it his problem is hitting it. Until he learns to swing at the pitches down the middle and lay off the pitches four feet outside his swing will be irrelevant

[renostl]

I predict it will have no positive impact and potentially negative in that it might waste his training time with dumb/unproven drills it scrapes from some yahoo off the internet.

Whether it works out for any single player is irrelevant.
That's a 0% or 100% on a player that is going there after lacking success.

What you are suggesting here is that body mechanics, improved balance along with in the moment feedback while doing that training hasn't any value. That's a large part of hitting to have no value especially considering it is a part JW needs some work.

Absolutely not what I'm suggesting at all, please read better.

no positive impact and potentially negative in that it might waste his training time with dumb/unproven drills it scrapes from some yahoo off the internet.

Waste of time negative impact

please relay your opinion better

You are not adequately describing what the AI will be doing, which i consider to be a waste of time.

"In the moment feedback" of how a player is performing unproven drills, and the feedback itself is based on faulty data scraping... so basically the plan is to add flawed feedback atop flawed drills... a veritable mountain of [nonsense]

So yes, waste of time at best and actively harmful at worst, if it picks a bad drill for him to do and then tells him he's not doing it correctly (i.e. badly) enough.

AI doesn't actually know more than experts, it's just aggregating a bunch of expert opinions. And what do you think happens when those experts have different and even conflicting approaches? Garbage in, garbage out.

I thank you for adding to your thoughts.

The same critic can be made about any single expert and their training techniques actually.
I'd prefer not to debate that endlessly. I am also do not know enough about this system to debate
it, so that would be foolish. I'll attempt to learn more.

Mr Walker needs buy in to a system regardless of where it comes from. Balance, body movement are a couple
flaws that I've expressed for a while. Short story, he's inconsistent. The things I hope to come from an
approach that they started and are doing, is for JW to commit verses reverting back when struggles occur.
To establish improved body positioning and movement. My thought is that an expert could do that.
That I agree 100%. The issue is JW having total buy in and for that, the expert might need a strong
reputation or communication ability while that can be less of a hurdle with JW's generation with AI.

AI can be extremely good at seeing and tracking movement. It has done so outside of sports. If that can
provide him feedback it might be a good start.
knowing more than experts isn't the thought. Coaching should not be taking the rest of the day off; it should
still be used.

[3dender]

I predict it will have no positive impact and potentially negative in that it might waste his training time with dumb/unproven drills it scrapes from some yahoo off the internet.

Whether it works out for any single player is irrelevant.
That's a 0% or 100% on a player that is going there after lacking success.

What you are suggesting here is that body mechanics, improved balance along with in the moment feedback while doing that training hasn't any value. That's a large part of hitting to have no value especially considering it is a part JW needs some work.

Absolutely not what I'm suggesting at all, please read better.

no positive impact and potentially negative in that it might waste his training time with dumb/unproven drills it scrapes from some yahoo off the internet.

Waste of time negative impact

please relay your opinion better

You are not adequately describing what the AI will be doing, which i consider to be a waste of time.

"In the moment feedback" of how a player is performing unproven drills, and the feedback itself is based on faulty data scraping... so basically the plan is to add flawed feedback atop flawed drills... a veritable mountain of [nonsense]

So yes, waste of time at best and actively harmful at worst, if it picks a bad drill for him to do and then tells him he's not doing it correctly (i.e. badly) enough.

AI doesn't actually know more than experts, it's just aggregating a bunch of expert opinions. And what do you think happens when those experts have different and even conflicting approaches? Garbage in, garbage out.

I believe that the information fed into the AI program is a composite of the other evaluation tools Driveline has been using for years. I don't communicate with Kyle anymore, but I do have a way to contact him. I'll try that and see if he responds.

Gonna go out on a limb and say Kyle will tell you their AI is awesome and won't have any of the drawbacks that some other AI programs have... iow what pretty much anyone would say after investing a lot of money in their AI.