Cardinals may have players no one wants.

[ilcubuffs]

Fitts, May, and Clarke - new Cardinals all are MASH unit members. Add rumor regarding extending the Marmot and not really sure there is much to be excited. Denton's rear end kissing article, Herrera Breakout in 26, on Herrera I guess is supposed to give the faithful hope.

IF Donovan, NA, and Contreras cannot bring injury free, MLB skill ready, and hungry to play talent then it would seem the new Bloom black hole has been discovered. "On Fire" is evidently synonymous with it ain't happening. This organization should NEVER have been put in this position.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Cardinals may have players no one wants.

Could be the case.

There is legitimate interest in Donovan but Bloom might have a case of Boras syndrome in expecting too much in return. Seems like a deal could’ve already been struck.

Contreras might be viewed as a head case. Burleson is overrated, at least on this forum. JoJo - what is a middle reliever really going to bring back in return anyway? Arenado? No need to explain.

So yeah, I think you’re probably spot on.

Of course trades could have been made but I for one don’t want him making trades just to hurry up and make trades to make fans happy. He can take his time if it means getting the type of players he wants to get

I get not rushing it for the fans sake, but with all the supposed interest, there’s something to be said about getting it done before teams start filling the needs elsewhere because you’re dragging your feet, or they just think you’re not serious and they lose interest and the fever for a deal.

The winter meetings sounded like a good competitive environment with motivated buyers. Hard to imagine something fair wasn’t offered. And when I say “fair” I do mean slight overpay for the convenience of getting a proven win-now type player. I highly doubt anyone is going to ridiculously overpay for two seasons of Brendan Donovan.

You have to remember with Marte in play a lot of teams are talking to both teams bloom may be waiting on that to play out so the losers of that will pivot to Donovan and pay more. It’s not like there are tons of big trades being made the trades will happen I don’t want him rushing things just to make fans happy because they want things to happen I also don’t want him to jump on the first “fair” offer he gets when if he negotiated more he could have got a better deal

I agreed he shouldn’t rush for the fans, and also acknowledged the offer should be more than fair, as in an overpay.

However, I don’t think anyone who loses out on Marte is going to pivot and greatly overpay for Donovan. I’m starting to think Bloom is not really serious about trading BD because he seems to be taking the “blow us away” approach, which if true means - he’s not going anywhere.

[12xu]

Cardinals may have players no one wants.

Could be the case.

Could be, but I hear the cubs will be all over Roycroft should the Cardinals cut him..........

[IndCard75]

In my opinion Donovan Contreras and Arenado are back up plans for teams that don’t get what they want.
Donovan <Marte
Arenado <Bregman Suarez
Contreras < Alonso

And everyone is expecting to get to much for Donovan.
He’s a nice player but he’s not going to be the best player on a team. People act like we are trading Tatis.

[Absolut]

Hi I’m new to offseason. Is it true if we don’t trade a player by 12-15 we can’t make trade them, ever?

[ramfandan]

Seems to me a lot of nervous Nellies waiting for a Donovan trade to be completed.
These transactions of top flight talent are often complex.
Lot of back and forth proposals with multiple names being discussed… often why the final terms are called a’blockbuster’ deal.

I still feel a 5 player (more ?) may be the final result .

When the Woo, Morosi, Passan gang get wind that the deal is near completion, look for release of ‘Donovan trade imminent’

[rockondlouie]

Huh?

15+ teams after Donny

6+ teams reportedly after JoJo

WillyC drawing attention, even an injured Noot

Gray already gone

Patience OR

I for one am glad C. Bloom is taking his time, sticking to his trade demands and not rushing a trade just to quiet some disgruntled fans.

[Ozziesfan41]

Cardinals may have players no one wants.

Could be the case.

There is legitimate interest in Donovan but Bloom might have a case of Boras syndrome in expecting too much in return. Seems like a deal could’ve already been struck.

Contreras might be viewed as a head case. Burleson is overrated, at least on this forum. JoJo - what is a middle reliever really going to bring back in return anyway? Arenado? No need to explain.

So yeah, I think you’re probably spot on.

Of course trades could have been made but I for one don’t want him making trades just to hurry up and make trades to make fans happy. He can take his time if it means getting the type of players he wants to get

I get not rushing it for the fans sake, but with all the supposed interest, there’s something to be said about getting it done before teams start filling the needs elsewhere because you’re dragging your feet, or they just think you’re not serious and they lose interest and the fever for a deal.

The winter meetings sounded like a good competitive environment with motivated buyers. Hard to imagine something fair wasn’t offered. And when I say “fair” I do mean slight overpay for the convenience of getting a proven win-now type player. I highly doubt anyone is going to ridiculously overpay for two seasons of Brendan Donovan.

You have to remember with Marte in play a lot of teams are talking to both teams bloom may be waiting on that to play out so the losers of that will pivot to Donovan and pay more. It’s not like there are tons of big trades being made the trades will happen I don’t want him rushing things just to make fans happy because they want things to happen I also don’t want him to jump on the first “fair” offer he gets when if he negotiated more he could have got a better deal

I agreed he shouldn’t rush for the fans, and also acknowledged the offer should be more than fair, as in an overpay.

However, I don’t think anyone who loses out on Marte is going to pivot and greatly overpay for Donovan. I’m starting to think Bloom is not really serious about trading BD because he seems to be taking the “blow us away” approach, which if true means - he’s not going anywhere.

I didn’t say they would greatly overpay. Right now the big teams are going after Marte because he’s the best available once that ball drops the losers will pivot to Donovan and would pay more than they are offering now. There is literally no reason to rush to trade Donovan just so he can say he traded him. He needs to get the best deal if that takes time I’m fine with it I’m not as impatient as some.

[Cusecards]

Huh?

15+ teams after Donny

6+ teams reportedly after JoJo

WillyC drawing attention, even an injured Noot

Gray already gone

Patience OR

I for one am glad C. Bloom is taking his time, sticking to his trade demands and not rushing a trade just to quiet some disgruntled fans.

Agree
I get that fans have questions and want action.
But....it is December 15th after all.
And....I get the excitement over the Winter Meetings which can be the start of trading frenzy but every year is different.
Sometimes the “Market” just takes more time to develop and again it is early.
So far I’m optimistic about what Bloom has done. But just getting started.
I really like the May signing and BTW I’m not predicting anything as to him performing.
I just like his stuff and only committing to a one year deal!

[Ozziesfan41]

Huh?

15+ teams after Donny

6+ teams reportedly after JoJo

WillyC drawing attention, even an injured Noot

Gray already gone

Patience OR

I for one am glad C. Bloom is taking his time, sticking to his trade demands and not rushing a trade just to quiet some disgruntled fans.

Agree
I get that fans have questions and want action.
But....it is December 15th after all.
And....I get the excitement over the Winter Meetings which can be the start of trading frenzy but every year is different.
Sometimes the “Market” just takes more time to develop and again it is early.
So far I’m optimistic about what Bloom has done. But just getting started.
I really like the May signing and BTW I’m not predicting anything as to him performing.
I just like his stuff and only committing to a one year deal!

Also I saw a good video by Bernie the other day for me he’(poop) or miss sometimes he has good things to say sometimes he sounds like an idiot but he said gone are the days of just two GMs sitting in a room swinging deals they have multiple meetings with their staff about them and run projections and projections and everyone kicks around ideas and makes suggestions. That’s why he said a lot of deals take time

[CorneliusWolfe]

Cardinals may have players no one wants.

Could be the case.

There is legitimate interest in Donovan but Bloom might have a case of Boras syndrome in expecting too much in return. Seems like a deal could’ve already been struck.

Contreras might be viewed as a head case. Burleson is overrated, at least on this forum. JoJo - what is a middle reliever really going to bring back in return anyway? Arenado? No need to explain.

So yeah, I think you’re probably spot on.

Of course trades could have been made but I for one don’t want him making trades just to hurry up and make trades to make fans happy. He can take his time if it means getting the type of players he wants to get

I get not rushing it for the fans sake, but with all the supposed interest, there’s something to be said about getting it done before teams start filling the needs elsewhere because you’re dragging your feet, or they just think you’re not serious and they lose interest and the fever for a deal.

The winter meetings sounded like a good competitive environment with motivated buyers. Hard to imagine something fair wasn’t offered. And when I say “fair” I do mean slight overpay for the convenience of getting a proven win-now type player. I highly doubt anyone is going to ridiculously overpay for two seasons of Brendan Donovan.

You have to remember with Marte in play a lot of teams are talking to both teams bloom may be waiting on that to play out so the losers of that will pivot to Donovan and pay more. It’s not like there are tons of big trades being made the trades will happen I don’t want him rushing things just to make fans happy because they want things to happen I also don’t want him to jump on the first “fair” offer he gets when if he negotiated more he could have got a better deal

I agreed he shouldn’t rush for the fans, and also acknowledged the offer should be more than fair, as in an overpay.

However, I don’t think anyone who loses out on Marte is going to pivot and greatly overpay for Donovan. I’m starting to think Bloom is not really serious about trading BD because he seems to be taking the “blow us away” approach, which if true means - he’s not going anywhere.

I didn’t say they would greatly overpay. Right now the big teams are going after Marte because he’s the best available once that ball drops the losers will pivot to Donovan and would pay more than they are offering now. There is literally no reason to rush to trade Donovan just so he can say he traded him. He needs to get the best deal if that takes time I’m fine with it I’m not as impatient as some.

I didn’t say you did. I stated belief that there were already offers that were in the realm of overpayment, as there should be for a player with a known good market. I then stated Marte runner ups aren’t going to run and greatly overpay for Donovan. My words.

And no one “literally” (unnecessary use as always) said Donovan should be traded just to say he was traded. Who the F would do that? I’m actually fine with them keeping him. It’s just if they’re set on trading him, there could be something to striking while the iron is hot.

I agree with a lot of your posts, but anytime there’s perceived disagreement, there is always this little exercise in removing your words from my mouth. You assume and over read too much.

[rockondlouie]

Huh?

15+ teams after Donny

6+ teams reportedly after JoJo

WillyC drawing attention, even an injured Noot

Gray already gone

Patience OR

I for one am glad C. Bloom is taking his time, sticking to his trade demands and not rushing a trade just to quiet some disgruntled fans.

Agree
I get that fans have questions and want action.
But....it is December 15th after all.
And....I get the excitement over the Winter Meetings which can be the start of trading frenzy but every year is different.
Sometimes the “Market” just takes more time to develop and again it is early.
So far I’m optimistic about what Bloom has done. But just getting started.
I really like the May signing and BTW I’m not predicting anything as to him performing.
I just like his stuff and only committing to a one year deal!

I'm a big fan of the D. May signing too cuse, we just need him to stay healthy!

The trades will come but Bloom isn't going to take just any offer, he's rightfully holding all the cards (bad pun ) and he knows it.

Patience is the key, stay cool & let other POBO/GM's get antsy to satisfy their screaming for trades fan bases.

[imyourhuckleberry]

Gotta get the deal done right away so we can pivot to the 'Why did Bloom make this deal?' 'Bloom got Fleeced.' 'Bloom is an idiot.' threads.

[Imperial Capitalist]

Everyone else's mileage may vary, but from a perspective of disgust I've all but given up on off-season articles proclaiming this or that trade/FA course of action seems possible or even likely.

There is still some honest reporting, but for the most part far too much click bait is being generated, both by humans & AI bots.

Yes, it's awful. Stick to articles by the beat reporters, or Rosenthal, Passan, Nightengale, Morosi and people who are credible. (I couldn't bring myself to include Jon Heyman on the list) The clickbait stuff is for entertainment value only and not hardly worth the time it takes to read it. You and I could write more interesting articles. Maybe we should!

I think the odds are good that some folks here could develop more interesting content than much of the drivel pushed by 'big media'. Or, a podcast. Matt discussing bwar vs fwar, for example, and segments of "Cranny vs the room" could rewrite baseball sports media

Also, if only more posters here would heed your words on clickbait & not develop threads around it.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Everyone else's mileage may vary, but from a perspective of disgust I've all but given up on off-season articles proclaiming this or that trade/FA course of action seems possible or even likely.

There is still some honest reporting, but for the most part far too much click bait is being generated, both by humans & AI bots.

Yes, it's awful. Stick to articles by the beat reporters, or Rosenthal, Passan, Nightengale, Morosi and people who are credible. (I couldn't bring myself to include Jon Heyman on the list) The clickbait stuff is for entertainment value only and not hardly worth the time it takes to read it. You and I could write more interesting articles. Maybe we should!

I think the odds are good that some folks here could develop more interesting content than much of the drivel pushed by 'big media'. Or, a podcast. Matt discussing bwar vs fwar, for example, and segments of "Cranny vs the room" could rewrite baseball sports media

Also, if only more posters here would heed your words on clickbait & not develop threads around it.

I love it! I'd read it. "Shady Dealings", "A Capital Idea"...

[Cusecards]

Huh?

15+ teams after Donny

6+ teams reportedly after JoJo

WillyC drawing attention, even an injured Noot

Gray already gone

Patience OR

I for one am glad C. Bloom is taking his time, sticking to his trade demands and not rushing a trade just to quiet some disgruntled fans.

Agree
I get that fans have questions and want action.
But....it is December 15th after all.
And....I get the excitement over the Winter Meetings which can be the start of trading frenzy but every year is different.
Sometimes the “Market” just takes more time to develop and again it is early.
So far I’m optimistic about what Bloom has done. But just getting started.
I really like the May signing and BTW I’m not predicting anything as to him performing.
I just like his stuff and only committing to a one year deal!

Also I saw a good video by Bernie the other day for me he’(poop) or miss sometimes he has good things to say sometimes he sounds like an idiot but he said gone are the days of just two GMs sitting in a room swinging deals they have multiple meetings with their staff about them and run projections and projections and everyone kicks around ideas and makes suggestions. That’s why he said a lot of deals take time

True
And being outside of St. Louis I rarely see Bernie’s stuff.