In my opinion it's defense first

[WLTFE]

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Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

Wow! Didn't even know I was involved in a conversation with you? Take care, I guess.

You are right to move on. They are trolling and not here to talk baseball...and they have to have the last word...lonely old men needing attention...

[Cranny]

Didn't read it. .is the liar still claiming he has me on ignore?

It has gotten comical for sure. Of course he reads every post you make. He never put you on ignore.

I believe he spends his entire day on Cards Talk.

Red, do you think he will he admit that he is wrong about stars only coming from the top 10?

It's actually been posted on here many times that one of the problems the Cardinals have in drafting future
"All Stars" is that they historically have drafted toward the end of the 1st round. It's the penalty to be paid for
having winning season after winning season.

Cranny I will post this again as obviously you didn't read it or you are just being obtuse.


Of course it's true. Take the time to check it out.

This isn't hockey Cranny. If it was I would agree with you. But stars for the MLB come from various rounds, not just top 10 picks. Some recent examples: Mookie Betts 5th, Semien 6th, DeGrom 9th, J.D. Martinex 20th, etc. Another example is that 30 of the 54 All-Stars in 2021 were taken in the 2nd round or later. You are just plain wrong here on your stance!

You are wrong in your statement that only stars come from the top ten in the draft. Are you standing by that statement?

Google it, Zuck. "Most elite MLB players are picked very high in the draft." Of course there are many exceptions, but it's a general rule.

No sir. Not good enough retort. “Very high in draft “ doesn’t mean top 10. “Of course there are many exceptions “contradicts general rule.

Cranny, so the example I gave above of 30 out of 54 All-Stars is a "general rule"? What you said was a blatant falsehood, you were proven wrong, and then when this is pointed out to you, you double down on wrong? I remember you had a post one time about how "experience" and "wisdom" came with age. I would have assumed that being man enough to admit when you were wrong, would have came with those two traits, but apparently not for you. Have a great day.

Thank you for your insults, zuck. Much appreciated. Happy holidays to you too.

What insults? I simply pointed out the facts that you won't admit when you are clearly wrong. I gave you chance to fess up that you were wrong, but you chose to double down yet again. That is on you Cranny. Happy Holidays to you and the family as well.

In my world when you accuse someone of "not manning up" based upon what they have said about "wisdom" and "experience - you're insulting someone. I guess we don't live in the same worlds. You and your buddies need to lighten up, and stop being so accusatory and harsh. Get off your judgmental bandstands.

Please don't attempt gas lighting me, as if I am at fault here! Cranny, "not manning up", is simply saying step-up and be a man, and take responsibility, for your actions and your words! You did not accept the fact that you were wrong, so I said for you to "man up"! It is that simple, and sorry you took that as an insult. As far as lightening up, I would suggest you take your own advice on that one.

Zuke - it has been commented on here many times - the Cardinals haven't gotten a chance at the premium top half of the first round draft picks because they've had winning seasons in all but 3 seasons this century. This is nothing new. It's been posted on here over the past several years by multiple posters. Why don't you tell all the posters who have posted that over the years to "man up"?

[WLTFE]

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Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

Wow! Didn't even know I was involved in a conversation with you? Take care, I guess.

You are right to move on. They are trolling and not here to talk baseball...and they have to have the last word...lonely old men needing attention...

Told you...they are relentless...

[zuck698]

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Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

Wow! Didn't even know I was involved in a conversation with you? Take care, I guess.

You are right to move on. They are trolling and not here to talk baseball...and they have to have the last word...lonely old men needing attention...

Told you...they are relentless...

You are 100% correct! Is this Riff Raff guy Cranny's protector or something? To get attacked out of no where by someone, who wasn't even in the discussion, was enlightening to say the least! His handle fits him perfectly. And Cranny continues to defend his losing argument here, I see. I have never encountered someone who triples down, or is it quadruple down, on being so wrong! I had no idea that having a conversation about baseball here was considered so taboo? I guess they have the foe option here for a reason. LOL

[WLTFE]

^^^
Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

Wow! Didn't even know I was involved in a conversation with you? Take care, I guess.

You are right to move on. They are trolling and not here to talk baseball...and they have to have the last word...lonely old men needing attention...

Told you...they are relentless...

You are 100% correct! Is this Riff Raff guy Cranny's protector or something? To get attacked out of no where by someone, who wasn't even in the discussion, was enlightening to say the least! His handle fits him perfectly. And Cranny continues to defend his losing argument here, I see. I have never encountered someone who triples down, or is it quadruple down, on being so wrong! I had no idea that having a conversation about baseball here was considered so taboo? I guess they have the foe option here for a reason. LOL

It's possible they are the same person with different accounts...basically picking arguments with other posters and then whining about being picked on...I just accept that this forum is their only social interaction...it's sad but harmless...and you'll be hearing from him/they.

[Cranny]

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Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

Wow! Didn't even know I was involved in a conversation with you? Take care, I guess.

You are right to move on. They are trolling and not here to talk baseball...and they have to have the last word...lonely old men needing attention...

Told you...they are relentless...

You are 100% correct! Is this Riff Raff guy Cranny's protector or something? To get attacked out of no where by someone, who wasn't even in the discussion, was enlightening to say the least! His handle fits him perfectly. And Cranny continues to defend his losing argument here, I see. I have never encountered someone who triples down, or is it quadruple down, on being so wrong! I had no idea that having a conversation about baseball here was considered so taboo? I guess they have the foe option here for a reason. LOL

Okay, Zuke. Let me ask you a straight forward question. Why is JJ the most anticipated Cardinal prospect in years?

And also, why are you picking on me for what other posters have said on here for years?

[zuck698]

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Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

Wow! Didn't even know I was involved in a conversation with you? Take care, I guess.

You are right to move on. They are trolling and not here to talk baseball...and they have to have the last word...lonely old men needing attention...

Told you...they are relentless...

You are 100% correct! Is this Riff Raff guy Cranny's protector or something? To get attacked out of no where by someone, who wasn't even in the discussion, was enlightening to say the least! His handle fits him perfectly. And Cranny continues to defend his losing argument here, I see. I have never encountered someone who triples down, or is it quadruple down, on being so wrong! I had no idea that having a conversation about baseball here was considered so taboo? I guess they have the foe option here for a reason. LOL

Okay, Zuke. Let me ask you a straight forward question. Why is JJ the most anticipated Cardinal prospect in years?

And also, why are you picking on me for what other posters have said on here for years?

No one is picking on you, you are doing that all by yourself Granny. I will just say "you win" Granny if that makes you feel any better? Congratulations, you just won the internet.

[zuck698]

^^^
Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

Wow! Didn't even know I was involved in a conversation with you? Take care, I guess.

You are right to move on. They are trolling and not here to talk baseball...and they have to have the last word...lonely old men needing attention...

Told you...they are relentless...

You are 100% correct! Is this Riff Raff guy Cranny's protector or something? To get attacked out of no where by someone, who wasn't even in the discussion, was enlightening to say the least! His handle fits him perfectly. And Cranny continues to defend his losing argument here, I see. I have never encountered someone who triples down, or is it quadruple down, on being so wrong! I had no idea that having a conversation about baseball here was considered so taboo? I guess they have the foe option here for a reason. LOL

Okay, Zuke. Let me ask you a straight forward question. Why is JJ the most anticipated Cardinal prospect in years?

And also, why are you picking on me for what other posters have said on here for years?

No one is picking on you, you are doing that all by yourself Granny. I will just say "you win" Granny if that makes you feel any better? Congratulations, you just won the internet.

[WLTFE]

^^^
Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

Wow! Didn't even know I was involved in a conversation with you? Take care, I guess.

You are right to move on. They are trolling and not here to talk baseball...and they have to have the last word...lonely old men needing attention...

Told you...they are relentless...

You are 100% correct! Is this Riff Raff guy Cranny's protector or something? To get attacked out of no where by someone, who wasn't even in the discussion, was enlightening to say the least! His handle fits him perfectly. And Cranny continues to defend his losing argument here, I see. I have never encountered someone who triples down, or is it quadruple down, on being so wrong! I had no idea that having a conversation about baseball here was considered so taboo? I guess they have the foe option here for a reason. LOL

Okay, Zuke. Let me ask you a straight forward question. Why is JJ the most anticipated Cardinal prospect in years?

And also, why are you picking on me for what other posters have said on here for years?

No one is picking on you, you are doing that all by yourself Granny. I will just say "you win" Granny if that makes you feel any better? Congratulations, you just won the internet.

.. you were warned....and it will continue

[ClassicO]

the thought of VS playing every day in CF made me throw up in my mouth a little bit

Victor Scott's slg % didn't even equal Trey Turner's batting average, yet many are hopeful he has a 3rd year to....do more of the same?

VSII can not be a starter, even in this cruddy lineup.

[Imperial Capitalist]

the thought of VS playing every day in CF made me throw up in my mouth a little bit

Victor Scott's slg % didn't even equal Trey Turner's batting average, yet many are hopeful he has a 3rd year to....do more of the same?

VS2 and Winn are the 2 players that average hitting is acceptable, IMO.
Mr Scott has a ways to go to get to average, I'd think that everyone agrees with that.
IF they do that they are contributing on both offense, defense and the base paths.

The larger issue currently are the one tool players not fully bringing that one tool
while not having other attributes. A roster with multiple DH/C and 1B is problematic
when they bring a bat, devastating when none bring SLG.

We should aim higher than either just D or just O.

Yes, they have an abundance of larger issues, but I'll agree to disagree w/you that that doesn't grant cover to put a AA bat (the level where he last showed competence) in CF.

[renostl]

the thought of VS playing every day in CF made me throw up in my mouth a little bit

Victor Scott's slg % didn't even equal Trey Turner's batting average, yet many are hopeful he has a 3rd year to....do more of the same?

VS2 and Winn are the 2 players that average hitting is acceptable, IMO.
Mr Scott has a ways to go to get to average, I'd think that everyone agrees with that.
IF they do that they are contributing on both offense, defense and the base paths.

The larger issue currently are the one tool players not fully bringing that one tool
while not having other attributes. A roster with multiple DH/C and 1B is problematic
when they bring a bat, devastating when none bring SLG.

We should aim higher than either just D or just O.

Yes, they have an abundance of larger issues, but I'll agree to disagree w/you that that doesn't grant cover to put a AA bat (the level where he last showed competence) in CF.

"Mr Scott has a ways to go to get to average "

The differences are with the two players and the positions that they play is that a little decrease in hit can be tolerated.
Premium defensive positions. They do their forte and bring athleticism to a team. Solid D replacements if nothing else. That and CF has become a lousy offensive position. Church was even worse in his sss.

By no means am I okay with that production, needs to improve my guess is he'll get opportunity

[Cranny]

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Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

Wow! Didn't even know I was involved in a conversation with you? Take care, I guess.

You are right to move on. They are trolling and not here to talk baseball...and they have to have the last word...lonely old men needing attention...

Told you...they are relentless...

You are 100% correct! Is this Riff Raff guy Cranny's protector or something? To get attacked out of no where by someone, who wasn't even in the discussion, was enlightening to say the least! His handle fits him perfectly. And Cranny continues to defend his losing argument here, I see. I have never encountered someone who triples down, or is it quadruple down, on being so wrong! I had no idea that having a conversation about baseball here was considered so taboo? I guess they have the foe option here for a reason. LOL

Okay, Zuke. Let me ask you a straight forward question. Why is JJ the most anticipated Cardinal prospect in years?

And also, why are you picking on me for what other posters have said on here for years?

No one is picking on you, you are doing that all by yourself Granny. I will just say "you win" Granny if that makes you feel any better? Congratulations, you just won the internet.

"Granny"? LOL. You're classless, Zuke.

[zuck698]

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Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

Wow! Didn't even know I was involved in a conversation with you? Take care, I guess.

You are right to move on. They are trolling and not here to talk baseball...and they have to have the last word...lonely old men needing attention...

Told you...they are relentless...

You are 100% correct! Is this Riff Raff guy Cranny's protector or something? To get attacked out of no where by someone, who wasn't even in the discussion, was enlightening to say the least! His handle fits him perfectly. And Cranny continues to defend his losing argument here, I see. I have never encountered someone who triples down, or is it quadruple down, on being so wrong! I had no idea that having a conversation about baseball here was considered so taboo? I guess they have the foe option here for a reason. LOL

Okay, Zuke. Let me ask you a straight forward question. Why is JJ the most anticipated Cardinal prospect in years?

And also, why are you picking on me for what other posters have said on here for years?

No one is picking on you, you are doing that all by yourself Granny. I will just say "you win" Granny if that makes you feel any better? Congratulations, you just won the internet.

"Granny"? LOL. You're classless, Zuke.

Classless says the guy who hasn't called my name right once since you were proven so wrong! Isn't it past bed time for you? Did you miss your nap today? My goodness! You made a statement that was proven false, you won't admit you're wrong, and you just continue to pout like a baby! It is a baseball forum, not life or death "Granny"!

[sikeston bulldog2]

It’s so hard to come by. That feeling to choose. You don’t see what you’ve got to gain but you don’t like to lose.

You watch yourself from the sidelines like your life is a game you don’t mind playing, to keep yourself amused.

I don’t mean to be cruel boys, but you’re looking confused.

[WLTFE]

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Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

Wow! Didn't even know I was involved in a conversation with you? Take care, I guess.

You are right to move on. They are trolling and not here to talk baseball...and they have to have the last word...lonely old men needing attention...

Told you...they are relentless...

You are 100% correct! Is this Riff Raff guy Cranny's protector or something? To get attacked out of no where by someone, who wasn't even in the discussion, was enlightening to say the least! His handle fits him perfectly. And Cranny continues to defend his losing argument here, I see. I have never encountered someone who triples down, or is it quadruple down, on being so wrong! I had no idea that having a conversation about baseball here was considered so taboo? I guess they have the foe option here for a reason. LOL

Okay, Zuke. Let me ask you a straight forward question. Why is JJ the most anticipated Cardinal prospect in years?

And also, why are you picking on me for what other posters have said on here for years?

No one is picking on you, you are doing that all by yourself Granny. I will just say "you win" Granny if that makes you feel any better? Congratulations, you just won the internet.

"Granny"? LOL. You're classless, Zuke.

Classless says the guy who hasn't called my name right once since you were proven so wrong! Isn't it past bed time for you? Did you miss your nap today? My goodness! You made a statement that was proven false, you won't admit you're wrong, and you just continue to pout like a baby! It is a baseball forum, not life or death "Granny"!

You're in the rabbit hole with the forums biggest hypocrite...they never stop having the last word.