In my opinion it's defense first

[zuck698]

BOOM...sums up trying to talk baseball to some posters. .if you disagree then their feelings are hurt...very sad and pathetic...they apparently need attention!

Exactly,

Wow! I never meant to hurt his feelings by simply pointing out facts that show his statement was wrong. I think I will just avoid replying to him next time. I don't want to inflict too much hurt on him.

[WLTFE]

BOOM...sums up trying to talk baseball to some posters. .if you disagree then their feelings are hurt...very sad and pathetic...they apparently need attention!

Exactly,

Wow! I never meant to hurt his feelings by simply pointing out facts that show his statement was wrong. I think I will just avoid replying to him next time. I don't want to inflict too much hurt on him.

You're not alone...he reported me for disagreeing with him...he appears to need attention and it's sad...

[zuck698]

BOOM...sums up trying to talk baseball to some posters. .if you disagree then their feelings are hurt...very sad and pathetic...they apparently need attention!

Exactly,

Wow! I never meant to hurt his feelings by simply pointing out facts that show his statement was wrong. I think I will just avoid replying to him next time. I don't want to inflict too much hurt on him.

You're not alone...he reported me for disagreeing with him...he appears to need attention and it's sad...

Geesh! That is very sad. I wish we had a, "here's a hug" emoji here that I could send him.

[DwaininAztec]

Who. Who have we drafted then developed into a household name. Have we forgotten them. Who again?

Gee, I don’t know, SB. Maybe guys like Wong, Wacha, Gonzalez, DeJong, Helsley, Hudson, Gallen, Edman, Winn, Burleson, Herrera, Nootbaar, etc. To name a few.

I know you are deep into the archives. I admire your diligence. But none of the names you mention were household names across baseball, only that n STL.

They all were good players but none to the point of stardom. The kind of player that carries a team. That type of development is missing. You think.

The Cardinals have produced MLB players as well or even better than than most teams, but of late they have not produced stars. Now the Cardinals MiLB needs to continue producing MLB players while mixing in a few MLB stars. Then the BOTB will be ready to make a few trades/signings to make this team a contender.

[Cranny]

Didn't read it. .is the liar still claiming he has me on ignore?

It has gotten comical for sure. Of course he reads every post you make. He never put you on ignore.

I believe he spends his entire day on Cards Talk.

Red, do you think he will he admit that he is wrong about stars only coming from the top 10?

It's actually been posted on here many times that one of the problems the Cardinals have in drafting future
"All Stars" is that they historically have drafted toward the end of the 1st round. It's the penalty to be paid for
having winning season after winning season.

Cranny I will post this again as obviously you didn't read it or you are just being obtuse.


Of course it's true. Take the time to check it out.

This isn't hockey Cranny. If it was I would agree with you. But stars for the MLB come from various rounds, not just top 10 picks. Some recent examples: Mookie Betts 5th, Semien 6th, DeGrom 9th, J.D. Martinex 20th, etc. Another example is that 30 of the 54 All-Stars in 2021 were taken in the 2nd round or later. You are just plain wrong here on your stance!

You are wrong in your statement that only stars come from the top ten in the draft. Are you standing by that statement?

Google it, Zuck. "Most elite MLB players are picked very high in the draft." Of course there are many exceptions, but it's a general rule.

No sir. Not good enough retort. “Very high in draft “ doesn’t mean top 10. “Of course there are many exceptions “contradicts general rule.

Cranny, so the example I gave above of 30 out of 54 All-Stars is a "general rule"? What you said was a blatant falsehood, you were proven wrong, and then when this is pointed out to you, you double down on wrong? I remember you had a post one time about how "experience" and "wisdom" came with age. I would have assumed that being man enough to admit when you were wrong, would have came with those two traits, but apparently not for you. Have a great day.

Thank you for your insults, zuck. Much appreciated. Happy holidays to you too.

What insults? I simply pointed out the facts that you won't admit when you are clearly wrong. I gave you chance to fess up that you were wrong, but you chose to double down yet again. That is on you Cranny. Happy Holidays to you and the family as well.

In my world when you accuse someone of "not manning up" based upon what they have said about "wisdom" and "experience - you're insulting someone. I guess we don't live in the same worlds. You and your buddies need to lighten up, and stop being so accusatory and harsh. Get off your judgmental bandstands.

[zuck698]

Didn't read it. .is the liar still claiming he has me on ignore?

It has gotten comical for sure. Of course he reads every post you make. He never put you on ignore.

I believe he spends his entire day on Cards Talk.

Red, do you think he will he admit that he is wrong about stars only coming from the top 10?

It's actually been posted on here many times that one of the problems the Cardinals have in drafting future
"All Stars" is that they historically have drafted toward the end of the 1st round. It's the penalty to be paid for
having winning season after winning season.

Cranny I will post this again as obviously you didn't read it or you are just being obtuse.


Of course it's true. Take the time to check it out.

This isn't hockey Cranny. If it was I would agree with you. But stars for the MLB come from various rounds, not just top 10 picks. Some recent examples: Mookie Betts 5th, Semien 6th, DeGrom 9th, J.D. Martinex 20th, etc. Another example is that 30 of the 54 All-Stars in 2021 were taken in the 2nd round or later. You are just plain wrong here on your stance!

You are wrong in your statement that only stars come from the top ten in the draft. Are you standing by that statement?

Google it, Zuck. "Most elite MLB players are picked very high in the draft." Of course there are many exceptions, but it's a general rule.

No sir. Not good enough retort. “Very high in draft “ doesn’t mean top 10. “Of course there are many exceptions “contradicts general rule.

Cranny, so the example I gave above of 30 out of 54 All-Stars is a "general rule"? What you said was a blatant falsehood, you were proven wrong, and then when this is pointed out to you, you double down on wrong? I remember you had a post one time about how "experience" and "wisdom" came with age. I would have assumed that being man enough to admit when you were wrong, would have came with those two traits, but apparently not for you. Have a great day.

Thank you for your insults, zuck. Much appreciated. Happy holidays to you too.

What insults? I simply pointed out the facts that you won't admit when you are clearly wrong. I gave you chance to fess up that you were wrong, but you chose to double down yet again. That is on you Cranny. Happy Holidays to you and the family as well.

In my world when you accuse someone of "not manning up" based upon what they have said about "wisdom" and "experience - you're insulting someone. I guess we don't live in the same worlds. You and your buddies need to lighten up, and stop being so accusatory and harsh. Get off your judgmental bandstands.

Please don't attempt gas lighting me, as if I am at fault here! Cranny, "not manning up", is simply saying step-up and be a man, and take responsibility, for your actions and your words! You did not accept the fact that you were wrong, so I said for you to "man up"! It is that simple, and sorry you took that as an insult. As far as lightening up, I would suggest you take your own advice on that one.

[WLTFE]

Didn't read it. .is the liar still claiming he has me on ignore?

It has gotten comical for sure. Of course he reads every post you make. He never put you on ignore.

I believe he spends his entire day on Cards Talk.

Red, do you think he will he admit that he is wrong about stars only coming from the top 10?

It's actually been posted on here many times that one of the problems the Cardinals have in drafting future
"All Stars" is that they historically have drafted toward the end of the 1st round. It's the penalty to be paid for
having winning season after winning season.

Cranny I will post this again as obviously you didn't read it or you are just being obtuse.


Of course it's true. Take the time to check it out.

This isn't hockey Cranny. If it was I would agree with you. But stars for the MLB come from various rounds, not just top 10 picks. Some recent examples: Mookie Betts 5th, Semien 6th, DeGrom 9th, J.D. Martinex 20th, etc. Another example is that 30 of the 54 All-Stars in 2021 were taken in the 2nd round or later. You are just plain wrong here on your stance!

You are wrong in your statement that only stars come from the top ten in the draft. Are you standing by that statement?

Google it, Zuck. "Most elite MLB players are picked very high in the draft." Of course there are many exceptions, but it's a general rule.

No sir. Not good enough retort. “Very high in draft “ doesn’t mean top 10. “Of course there are many exceptions “contradicts general rule.

Cranny, so the example I gave above of 30 out of 54 All-Stars is a "general rule"? What you said was a blatant falsehood, you were proven wrong, and then when this is pointed out to you, you double down on wrong? I remember you had a post one time about how "experience" and "wisdom" came with age. I would have assumed that being man enough to admit when you were wrong, would have came with those two traits, but apparently not for you. Have a great day.

Thank you for your insults, zuck. Much appreciated. Happy holidays to you too.

What insults? I simply pointed out the facts that you won't admit when you are clearly wrong. I gave you chance to fess up that you were wrong, but you chose to double down yet again. That is on you Cranny. Happy Holidays to you and the family as well.

In my world when you accuse someone of "not manning up" based upon what they have said about "wisdom" and "experience - you're insulting someone. I guess we don't live in the same worlds. You and your buddies need to lighten up, and stop being so accusatory and harsh. Get off your judgmental bandstands.

Please don't attempt gas lighting me, as if I am at fault here! Cranny, "not manning up", is simply saying step-up and be a man, and take responsibility, for your actions and your words! You did not accept the fact that you were wrong, so I said for you to "man up"! It is that simple, and sorry you took that as an insult. As far as lightening up, I would suggest you take your own advice on that one.

now you're in the cycle where you'll be accused of being a troll...reported...and you will never get an acknowledgement of being correct... you should just move on...some people need attention...and it's kind of pathetic. Many of been where you are...

[riff raff]

^^^
Simp / Troll alert.
This is not a test.

[Cranny]

^^^
Simp / Troll alert.
This is not a test.

He can't help himself, riff raff. He's a lonely, lost person.

[WLTFE]

^^^
Simp / Troll alert.
This is not a test.

dump[fork] alert...someone has a sock?...shut up Baghdad Bob!

[OldRed]

^^^
Simp / Troll alert.
This is not a test.

He can't help himself, riff raff. He's a lonely, lost person.

Nice baseball conservation.

by OldRed » 11 Dec 2025 09:27 am

With the Cardinals lack of good starting pitching in my opinion any trade they make should be for defense first, then hitting second.

[WLTFE]

^^^
Simp / Troll alert.
This is not a test.

He can't help himself, riff raff. He's a lonely, lost person.

Nice baseball conservation.

It's amazing!...attacks everyone for not talking baseball and whines when he is called out for his bull[shirt]...sad and pathetic but harmless

[zuck698]

It has gotten comical for sure. Of course he reads every post you make. He never put you on ignore.

I believe he spends his entire day on Cards Talk.

Red, do you think he will he admit that he is wrong about stars only coming from the top 10?

It's actually been posted on here many times that one of the problems the Cardinals have in drafting future
"All Stars" is that they historically have drafted toward the end of the 1st round. It's the penalty to be paid for
having winning season after winning season.

Cranny I will post this again as obviously you didn't read it or you are just being obtuse.


Of course it's true. Take the time to check it out.

This isn't hockey Cranny. If it was I would agree with you. But stars for the MLB come from various rounds, not just top 10 picks. Some recent examples: Mookie Betts 5th, Semien 6th, DeGrom 9th, J.D. Martinex 20th, etc. Another example is that 30 of the 54 All-Stars in 2021 were taken in the 2nd round or later. You are just plain wrong here on your stance!

You are wrong in your statement that only stars come from the top ten in the draft. Are you standing by that statement?

Google it, Zuck. "Most elite MLB players are picked very high in the draft." Of course there are many exceptions, but it's a general rule.

No sir. Not good enough retort. “Very high in draft “ doesn’t mean top 10. “Of course there are many exceptions “contradicts general rule.

Cranny, so the example I gave above of 30 out of 54 All-Stars is a "general rule"? What you said was a blatant falsehood, you were proven wrong, and then when this is pointed out to you, you double down on wrong? I remember you had a post one time about how "experience" and "wisdom" came with age. I would have assumed that being man enough to admit when you were wrong, would have came with those two traits, but apparently not for you. Have a great day.

Thank you for your insults, zuck. Much appreciated. Happy holidays to you too.

What insults? I simply pointed out the facts that you won't admit when you are clearly wrong. I gave you chance to fess up that you were wrong, but you chose to double down yet again. That is on you Cranny. Happy Holidays to you and the family as well.

In my world when you accuse someone of "not manning up" based upon what they have said about "wisdom" and "experience - you're insulting someone. I guess we don't live in the same worlds. You and your buddies need to lighten up, and stop being so accusatory and harsh. Get off your judgmental bandstands.

Please don't attempt gas lighting me, as if I am at fault here! Cranny, "not manning up", is simply saying step-up and be a man, and take responsibility, for your actions and your words! You did not accept the fact that you were wrong, so I said for you to "man up"! It is that simple, and sorry you took that as an insult. As far as lightening up, I would suggest you take your own advice on that one.

now you're in the cycle where you'll be accused of being a troll...reported...and you will never get an acknowledgement of being correct... you should just move on...some people need attention...and it's kind of pathetic. Many of been where you are...

Yeah, I am out! It seems senseless trying to continue at this point.

[riff raff]

^^^
Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

[zuck698]

^^^
Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

Wow! Didn't even know I was involved in a conversation with you? Take care, I guess.

[riff raff]

^^^
Level 2 Simp / Smf alert.

You're on ignore stupid

Wow! Didn't even know I was involved in a conversation with you? Take care, I guess.

You weren't. Thanks, you take care as well.