Gordo says Contreras and Red Sox

[craviduce]

This is all a non-starter until we hear Contreras will waive his NTC to the respective team. All we know is he said he would consider it depending on the team. We all saw how Arenado nixed the deal to Houston. Believe it when you see it.

so much truth there.

[CardsBest]

Selfishly I'd like to see Contreras at 1B with the Cards in 2026, but he is at the risky regression age near where we've seen Arenado and Goldy fall off significantly. I do think the Cards would be better with WC at 1B next season than with Burly there, but can't deny it'd make sense to trade WC if you can get good value for him this offseason.

Goldschmidt won the MVP in his age-34 season.

Random, unpredictable outliers to happen.

Agree. His stock for selling will never be higher than it is now. Time to sell.

[WaltsSuccessor]

Someone with a BTV subscription help me out with this one. If we trade WC to Boston, how much more prospect capital could we extract IF we agreed to take back all the Yoshida contract too? Red Sox have been dying to find someone to take that contract.

Like could we trade WC for Durran, Yoshida, AND a top pitching prospect like Tolle or Early?

Just not sure how the surplus value shakes out. However, I personally love the idea of taking back Yoshida in the deal to greatly sweeten the pot. Don't like the player whatsoever, but it keeps the trade relatively cash neutral for the Cards and should bring back way more future value by doing so.

I don't think we're going to pry Tolle, Early, nor Witherspoon from the Red Sox.

Set your sights on Marcus Phillips.

OR...Couple WC with JoJo or whomever and pick up $7million due each of the next 2 seasons for WC...then maybe they'll budge on Witherspoon...that's real get, imo....4 pitches he already has mastered....Four Seamer, Curve, Slider, Cutter

Thanks, Crav. Was hoping you or RBI would reply. I sure miss when BTV was free. It was fun to play around with these.

Could see Jojo or Nootbaar being of interest for Boston. If they trade Durran, they'd have a starting OF of Rafeala in CF then Abreu and Anthony in the corners. Noot would be a solid 4th OF to pair with that group.

[RunSup]

https://x.com/bossportsgordo/status/199 ... 74092?s=46

Don’t know who Gordo is but maybe he knows something.

He quotes this Red Sox beat writer.

https://x.com/chriscotillo/status/19994 ... 82352?s=46

Put a package together and pry Witherspoon away from them. Just sayin'.

[Goldfan]

Selfishly I'd like to see Contreras at 1B with the Cards in 2026, but he is at the risky regression age near where we've seen Arenado and Goldy fall off significantly. I do think the Cards would be better with WC at 1B next season than with Burly there, but can't deny it'd make sense to trade WC if you can get good value for him this offseason.

Goldschmidt won the MVP in his age-34 season.

Key words, risky and near.
That said, how was Arenado in his 34 age season?
That said, I'd be just fine if the Cards take a chance WC performing well at his 34 age season.
I think WC will do well in 2026, but big deal, trying to predict who regresses at what age isn't good risk management.

Fellas, you get WC from behind the plate….he’ll play 150games, stay healthy, and be the best hitter/slugger on team!!! Take my word!!

[Goldfan]

When i read this I thought you meant Phil Gordon of the Post Dispatch. But he passed away. He's breaking trades even in the after life.

Jeff Gordon went by "Gordo". He retired. Still alive

Top 3 STL columnist since I’ve been walking on this plant

[ecleme22]

When i read this I thought you meant Phil Gordon of the Post Dispatch. But he passed away. He's breaking trades even in the after life.

Jeff Gordon went by "Gordo". He retired. Still alive

Top 3 STL columnist since I’ve been walking on this plant

I miss straus. RIP

[82birds]

When i read this I thought you meant Phil Gordon of the Post Dispatch. But he passed away. He's breaking trades even in the after life.

Jeff Gordon went by "Gordo". He retired. Still alive

Top 3 STL columnist since I’ve been walking on this plant

I miss straus. RIP

me too.
and I miss his hints in between articles (via twitter or some such). He'd whet your appetite

[ICCFIM2]

Someone with a BTV subscription help me out with this one. If we trade WC to Boston, how much more prospect capital could we extract IF we agreed to take back all the Yoshida contract too? Red Sox have been dying to find someone to take that contract.

Like could we trade WC for Durran, Yoshida, AND a top pitching prospect like Tolle or Early?

Just not sure how the surplus value shakes out. However, I personally love the idea of taking back Yoshida in the deal to greatly sweeten the pot. Don't like the player whatsoever, but it keeps the trade relatively cash neutral for the Cards and should bring back way more future value by doing so.

I don't think we're going to pry Tolle, Early, nor Witherspoon from the Red Sox.

Set your sights on Marcus Phillips.

OR...Couple WC with JoJo or whomever and pick up $7million due each of the next 2 seasons for WC...then maybe they'll budge on Witherspoon...that's real get, imo....4 pitches he already has mastered....Four Seamer, Curve, Slider, Cutter

Thanks, Crav. Was hoping you or RBI would reply. I sure miss when BTV was free. It was fun to play around with these.

Could see Jojo or Nootbaar being of interest for Boston. If they trade Durran, they'd have a starting OF of Rafeala in CF then Abreu and Anthony in the corners. Noot would be a solid 4th OF to pair with that group.

At the BTV website, you can do search or sort trades by clicking on Trade Boards put in a player name and it will bring up trades other people have proposed without paying for it. Marcus Phillips, the guy Crav likes, has a 7.9 BTV. Contreras is -14.1 and Yoshida is -26.1. Yoshida is owed $37.2M on that contract. I don't think it makes any sense in a rebuild to take that contract on. It would also potentially block playing time for one of our OFs when we are in a rebuild.

A lot of these trades the established guy is get an 8-10 premium over prospects. So if the Cards put in about 12M of cash, that may pry Phillips away for Contreras, assuming the Red Sox are willing to part with him. He is years away from being ready, so also not sure how much in line he is with the Cards time line either. But, if the Cards want to stack up the highest upside prospects possible as part of the rebuild, a trade like that makes sense, even if the time line is 2028.

[Goldfan]

When i read this I thought you meant Phil Gordon of the Post Dispatch. But he passed away. He's breaking trades even in the after life.

Jeff Gordon went by "Gordo". He retired. Still alive

Top 3 STL columnist since I’ve been walking on this plant

I miss straus. RIP

me too.
and I miss his hints in between articles (via twitter or some such). He'd whet your appetite

Yes, Strauss is top 3 as well. Enjoy some Snark

[bccardsfan]

Yeah I hadn't thought about Strauss for a while. He was great and I miss him. No [nonsense] kind of guy, and the snark factor was entertaining.

B...s... gets redacted, seriously?

[WaltsSuccessor]

Someone with a BTV subscription help me out with this one. If we trade WC to Boston, how much more prospect capital could we extract IF we agreed to take back all the Yoshida contract too? Red Sox have been dying to find someone to take that contract.

Like could we trade WC for Durran, Yoshida, AND a top pitching prospect like Tolle or Early?

Just not sure how the surplus value shakes out. However, I personally love the idea of taking back Yoshida in the deal to greatly sweeten the pot. Don't like the player whatsoever, but it keeps the trade relatively cash neutral for the Cards and should bring back way more future value by doing so.

I don't think we're going to pry Tolle, Early, nor Witherspoon from the Red Sox.

Set your sights on Marcus Phillips.

OR...Couple WC with JoJo or whomever and pick up $7million due each of the next 2 seasons for WC...then maybe they'll budge on Witherspoon...that's real get, imo....4 pitches he already has mastered....Four Seamer, Curve, Slider, Cutter

Thanks, Crav. Was hoping you or RBI would reply. I sure miss when BTV was free. It was fun to play around with these.

Could see Jojo or Nootbaar being of interest for Boston. If they trade Durran, they'd have a starting OF of Rafeala in CF then Abreu and Anthony in the corners. Noot would be a solid 4th OF to pair with that group.

At the BTV website, you can do search or sort trades by clicking on Trade Boards put in a player name and it will bring up trades other people have proposed without paying for it. Marcus Phillips, the guy Crav likes, has a 7.9 BTV. Contreras is -14.1 and Yoshida is -26.1. Yoshida is owed $37.2M on that contract. I don't think it makes any sense in a rebuild to take that contract on. It would also potentially block playing time for one of our OFs when we are in a rebuild.

A lot of these trades the established guy is get an 8-10 premium over prospects. So if the Cards put in about 12M of cash, that may pry Phillips away for Contreras, assuming the Red Sox are willing to part with him. He is years away from being ready, so also not sure how much in line he is with the Cards time line either. But, if the Cards want to stack up the highest upside prospects possible as part of the rebuild, a trade like that makes sense, even if the time line is 2028.

Thanks for the additional color. Few thoughts.

1. I’m surprised by Contreras’ value. Would’ve thought he was closer to breakeven.
2. Equally surprised Yoshida’s isn’t more negative. Guy is basically a singles hitter than can only DH.
3. So I agree, in those contexts, taking Yoshida back doesn’t move the needle enough on additional return from the Sox. However, and I probably should’ve added this originally, I didn’t really intend on keeping/playing Yoshida. Probably could’ve just eaten 75% of his contract and move him. Or maybe even DFA him. Just with the Cards dumping so much salary, I meant thought they could afford to take back bad contracts to get better prospects. Be silly to trade everyone and roll out a $60m payroll like we’re the Marlins.

[Carp4Cy]

Selfishly I'd like to see Contreras at 1B with the Cards in 2026, but he is at the risky regression age near where we've seen Arenado and Goldy fall off significantly. I do think the Cards would be better with WC at 1B next season than with Burly there, but can't deny it'd make sense to trade WC if you can get good value for him this offseason.

We will get a better return trading Burley than trading Wilson.

Also, how much could Boston have left that we actually want? We already got our first choice for Sonny Grey didn’t we?

[ecleme22]

Selfishly I'd like to see Contreras at 1B with the Cards in 2026, but he is at the risky regression age near where we've seen Arenado and Goldy fall off significantly. I do think the Cards would be better with WC at 1B next season than with Burly there, but can't deny it'd make sense to trade WC if you can get good value for him this offseason.

We will get a better return trading Burley than trading Wilson.

Also, how much could Boston have left that we actually want? We already got our first choice for Sonny Grey didn’t we?

Uh, we got a good return for Gray, but we did didn’t exactly fleece them

[ggnoobs]

Kristian Campbell was all the rage but seemed to fall out of favor. Wonder if he'd be a decent change of scenery guy to get in return as one of the pieces.

[Lefley 25]

Selfishly I'd like to see Contreras at 1B with the Cards in 2026, but he is at the risky regression age near where we've seen Arenado and Goldy fall off significantly. I do think the Cards would be better with WC at 1B next season than with Burly there, but can't deny it'd make sense to trade WC if you can get good value for him this offseason.

We will get a better return trading Burley than trading Wilson.

Also, how much could Boston have left that we actually want? We already got our first choice for Sonny Grey didn’t we?

Boston looking for right handed bat