DA's Big Trade

[a smell of green grass]

Your honor...Here is DA's big trade in detail.

DA traded

THIS
watching generational talent every night..
giving St Louis kids a number to put on their jersey for their childhood...
winning a Cup....

For THAT
Blues Managment gets to watch the cash registers ring by "staying competitive" every year.
Blues fans get to watch Jiricek fatten up in Eastern Ontario
Blues fans get to watch Mailloux for about 10 minutes per game

Exhibit A
Pronger - 2nd Overall
Pietrangelo - 4th Overall
Mailloux - 30th Overall
Tucker - 200th Overall
Jiricek- 17th Overall

[dhsux]

Still the same for me.

Glad we have Mailloux in the system, still think Army way over estimated the market for Mailloux and got schooled on the return.

I wouldn't expect my opinion to change as its not based on future play as much as market value at the time of the trade.

Skills I'm glad you are happy to have Mailloux on board but then to say DA gave too much no matter how the trade turns out just seems an inconsequential position and silly to me.

I mean most here would agree the Blues gave up a lot on balance that day, perhaps obviously so, meaning more in KNOWN aspects between the two players. If that's your only point then fine. But still that will indeed mean nothing if the trade works for the Blues. I think for all of us that's whats important...the next 5 to 10 years potentially speaking, not what happened on trade day.

I'm pretty sure DA knew he was giving a lot up front as well but he based his risk factor upon scouting and personal knowledge after looking the kid over pretty good, likely already aware of him and his situation.

Basically the jury remains out on all of this but if it comes back to the Blues favor I won't be the one saying DA got schooled.

Well I don't really do the think like everyone else thing, I can't even wrap my head around it to be honest. The trade was made in this year and is subject to the market value of the assets exchanged at that time.

Like when I go buy a truck, Paying way over market value was not a good idea just because the truck later happens to last a long time, the value is based on the market when I bought the truck.

Just to rehash I'm glad we traded for Mailloux but I think we were bluffed into bidding against ourselves and that we were vulnerable because Army desperately wanted to secure his legacy(not leave the d a depleted mess)

You might think I'm silly but that is a 2 way street, A GM's biggest job is his ability to play this game. Army has done it really well at times but he blinked on this deal IMO.

Which is why I'm not a fan of this long transition stuff.

Skilles you didn't just go buy a truck you bought a dump truck you just can't find on any street corner and and a dump truck with capabilities your company desperately needed and you gave up new shiny pick up truck that you happened to have 4 of on hand.

You call it blinking because of trade day value.

I call it smart because the whole company needed that dump truck and it made the whole company exponentially more valuable and in the end I got that truck in my possession even though I can't be sure it might break down. Them are the breaks but I got the truck.

Or something like that.

If you are hung up on trade day value there's nothing I can say to change that.

But that is just not what any trade should be based or judged upon imo.

[Frank Underwood]

Pretty much everyone agrees that it takes a couple of years to judge a trade like this (involving young players/prospects), and yet people keep talking about how the Blues got fleeced. Maybe that will, in fact, be the case in two years, but it’s stupid to keep hearing that argument at this point.

[steve li]

Still the same for me.

Glad we have Mailloux in the system, still think Army way over estimated the market for Mailloux and got schooled on the return.

I wouldn't expect my opinion to change as its not based on future play as much as market value at the time of the trade.

Skills I'm glad you are happy to have Mailloux on board but then to say DA gave too much no matter how the trade turns out just seems an inconsequential position and silly to me.

I mean most here would agree the Blues gave up a lot on balance that day, perhaps obviously so, meaning more in KNOWN aspects between the two players. If that's your only point then fine. But still that will indeed mean nothing if the trade works for the Blues. I think for all of us that's whats important...the next 5 to 10 years potentially speaking, not what happened on trade day.

I'm pretty sure DA knew he was giving a lot up front as well but he based his risk factor upon scouting and personal knowledge after looking the kid over pretty good, likely already aware of him and his situation.

Basically the jury remains out on all of this but if it comes back to the Blues favor I won't be the one saying DA got schooled.

Well I don't really do the think like everyone else thing, I can't even wrap my head around it to be honest. The trade was made in this year and is subject to the market value of the assets exchanged at that time.

Like when I go buy a truck, Paying way over market value was not a good idea just because the truck later happens to last a long time, the value is based on the market when I bought the truck.

Just to rehash I'm glad we traded for Mailloux but I think we were bluffed into bidding against ourselves and that we were vulnerable because Army desperately wanted to secure his legacy(not leave the d a depleted mess)

You might think I'm silly but that is a 2 way street, A GM's biggest job is his ability to play this game. Army has done it really well at times but he blinked on this deal IMO.

Which is why I'm not a fan of this long transition stuff.

Army desperate to secure his legacy… Uh huh. This reminds me of the meme with Don Draper saying “I don’t think about you at all.”

[skilles]

Still the same for me.

Glad we have Mailloux in the system, still think Army way over estimated the market for Mailloux and got schooled on the return.

I wouldn't expect my opinion to change as its not based on future play as much as market value at the time of the trade.

Skills I'm glad you are happy to have Mailloux on board but then to say DA gave too much no matter how the trade turns out just seems an inconsequential position and silly to me.

I mean most here would agree the Blues gave up a lot on balance that day, perhaps obviously so, meaning more in KNOWN aspects between the two players. If that's your only point then fine. But still that will indeed mean nothing if the trade works for the Blues. I think for all of us that's whats important...the next 5 to 10 years potentially speaking, not what happened on trade day.

I'm pretty sure DA knew he was giving a lot up front as well but he based his risk factor upon scouting and personal knowledge after looking the kid over pretty good, likely already aware of him and his situation.

Basically the jury remains out on all of this but if it comes back to the Blues favor I won't be the one saying DA got schooled.

Well I don't really do the think like everyone else thing, I can't even wrap my head around it to be honest. The trade was made in this year and is subject to the market value of the assets exchanged at that time.

Like when I go buy a truck, Paying way over market value was not a good idea just because the truck later happens to last a long time, the value is based on the market when I bought the truck.

Just to rehash I'm glad we traded for Mailloux but I think we were bluffed into bidding against ourselves and that we were vulnerable because Army desperately wanted to secure his legacy(not leave the d a depleted mess)

You might think I'm silly but that is a 2 way street, A GM's biggest job is his ability to play this game. Army has done it really well at times but he blinked on this deal IMO.

Which is why I'm not a fan of this long transition stuff.

Skilles you didn't just go buy a truck you bought a dump truck you just can't find on any street corner and and a dump truck with capabilities your company desperately needed and you gave up new shiny pick up truck that you happened to have 4 of on hand.

You call it blinking because of trade day value.

I call it smart because the whole company needed that dump truck and it made the whole company exponentially more valuable and in the end I got that truck in my possession even though I can't be sure it might break down. Them are the breaks but I got the truck.

Or something like that.

If you are hung up on trade day value there's nothing I can say to change that.

But that is just not what any trade should be based or judged upon imo.

Yes I would call buying a truck that way bad business as well. Specially if you whole job is to built the best fleet of trucks around and you only have so much capital.

That is exactly what this trade should be based on, some trades maybe not but this one for sure.

This is not a veteran out youth in type of deal.

[dhsux]

Still the same for me.

Glad we have Mailloux in the system, still think Army way over estimated the market for Mailloux and got schooled on the return.

I wouldn't expect my opinion to change as its not based on future play as much as market value at the time of the trade.

Skills I'm glad you are happy to have Mailloux on board but then to say DA gave too much no matter how the trade turns out just seems an inconsequential position and silly to me.

I mean most here would agree the Blues gave up a lot on balance that day, perhaps obviously so, meaning more in KNOWN aspects between the two players. If that's your only point then fine. But still that will indeed mean nothing if the trade works for the Blues. I think for all of us that's whats important...the next 5 to 10 years potentially speaking, not what happened on trade day.

I'm pretty sure DA knew he was giving a lot up front as well but he based his risk factor upon scouting and personal knowledge after looking the kid over pretty good, likely already aware of him and his situation.

Basically the jury remains out on all of this but if it comes back to the Blues favor I won't be the one saying DA got schooled.

Well I don't really do the think like everyone else thing, I can't even wrap my head around it to be honest. The trade was made in this year and is subject to the market value of the assets exchanged at that time.

Like when I go buy a truck, Paying way over market value was not a good idea just because the truck later happens to last a long time, the value is based on the market when I bought the truck.

Just to rehash I'm glad we traded for Mailloux but I think we were bluffed into bidding against ourselves and that we were vulnerable because Army desperately wanted to secure his legacy(not leave the d a depleted mess)

You might think I'm silly but that is a 2 way street, A GM's biggest job is his ability to play this game. Army has done it really well at times but he blinked on this deal IMO.

Which is why I'm not a fan of this long transition stuff.

Skilles you didn't just go buy a truck you bought a dump truck you just can't find on any street corner and and a dump truck with capabilities your company desperately needed and you gave up new shiny pick up truck that you happened to have 4 of on hand.

You call it blinking because of trade day value.

I call it smart because the whole company needed that dump truck and it made the whole company exponentially more valuable and in the end I got that truck in my possession even though I can't be sure it might break down. Them are the breaks but I got the truck.

Or something like that.

If you are hung up on trade day value there's nothing I can say to change that.

But that is just not what any trade should be based or judged upon imo.

Yes I would call buying a truck that way bad business as well. Specially if you whole job is to built the best fleet of trucks around and you only have so much capital.

That is exactly what this trade should be based on, some trades maybe not but this one for sure.

This is not a veteran out youth in type of deal.

Well....I pretty much bought one of those trucks as described Skilles and it all worked out for the better.

We just agree to disagree.

[HighStick]

The Blues just beat Montreal. Bolduc played and so did Mailloux. The Blues won that game therefore they won the trade.
That's how it works round here.

[The Average Gatsby]

You can’t fill out a roster of 23 wingers. Blues needed a defenseman and dealt from a position of strength to get one. I’d say it looks like we narrowly lost this trade as of today but it’s not nearly as lopsided as it seemed out of the gate. In fact I’d be ok with trading another winger for a defenseman.

[crookedfeeder]

You can’t fill out a roster of 23 wingers. Blues needed a defenseman and dealt from a position of strength to get one. I’d say it looks like we narrowly lost this trade as of today but it’s not nearly as lopsided as it seemed out of the gate. In fact I’d be ok with trading another winger for a defenseman.

just grab Jett Woo. Woot! Woot!!

[skilles]

Still the same for me.

Glad we have Mailloux in the system, still think Army way over estimated the market for Mailloux and got schooled on the return.

I wouldn't expect my opinion to change as its not based on future play as much as market value at the time of the trade.

Skills I'm glad you are happy to have Mailloux on board but then to say DA gave too much no matter how the trade turns out just seems an inconsequential position and silly to me.

I mean most here would agree the Blues gave up a lot on balance that day, perhaps obviously so, meaning more in KNOWN aspects between the two players. If that's your only point then fine. But still that will indeed mean nothing if the trade works for the Blues. I think for all of us that's whats important...the next 5 to 10 years potentially speaking, not what happened on trade day.

I'm pretty sure DA knew he was giving a lot up front as well but he based his risk factor upon scouting and personal knowledge after looking the kid over pretty good, likely already aware of him and his situation.

Basically the jury remains out on all of this but if it comes back to the Blues favor I won't be the one saying DA got schooled.

Well I don't really do the think like everyone else thing, I can't even wrap my head around it to be honest. The trade was made in this year and is subject to the market value of the assets exchanged at that time.

Like when I go buy a truck, Paying way over market value was not a good idea just because the truck later happens to last a long time, the value is based on the market when I bought the truck.

Just to rehash I'm glad we traded for Mailloux but I think we were bluffed into bidding against ourselves and that we were vulnerable because Army desperately wanted to secure his legacy(not leave the d a depleted mess)

You might think I'm silly but that is a 2 way street, A GM's biggest job is his ability to play this game. Army has done it really well at times but he blinked on this deal IMO.

Which is why I'm not a fan of this long transition stuff.

Skilles you didn't just go buy a truck you bought a dump truck you just can't find on any street corner and and a dump truck with capabilities your company desperately needed and you gave up new shiny pick up truck that you happened to have 4 of on hand.

You call it blinking because of trade day value.

I call it smart because the whole company needed that dump truck and it made the whole company exponentially more valuable and in the end I got that truck in my possession even though I can't be sure it might break down. Them are the breaks but I got the truck.

Or something like that.

If you are hung up on trade day value there's nothing I can say to change that.

But that is just not what any trade should be based or judged upon imo.

Yes I would call buying a truck that way bad business as well. Specially if you whole job is to built the best fleet of trucks around and you only have so much capital.

That is exactly what this trade should be based on, some trades maybe not but this one for sure.

This is not a veteran out youth in type of deal.

Well....I pretty much bought one of those trucks as described Skilles and it all worked out for the better.

We just agree to disagree.

Oh I never said or suggested it can't work out for the better. Literally any hockey trade can do that.

[aslord]

No. I do not make the trade today. I'm fine with trading Bolduc if that's the ask, but I'd really rather have anyone else over Mailloux. As some have said, that may change in 2 years, but it may not.

[Harry S Deals]

No. I do not make the trade today. I'm fine with trading Bolduc if that's the ask, but I'd really rather have anyone else over Mailloux. As some have said, that may change in 2 years, but it may not.

For example who else other than Mailloux? Do you feel like Bolduc was worth much more than Mailloux? What other young RHD were available for Zach Bolduc?

Logan Mailloux is 22 yrs old hes played 25 NHL games
Bolduc has 125 NHL games hes scored 30 goals

To be fair, lately hes looked ok he looks like a 6th defenseman after 25 games. Hes getting better, lets see what he looks like next year. Im going to guess at some point, later this year, next year the year after Mailloux will make Blues fans forget about Bolduc

[netboy65]

Still the same for me.

Glad we have Mailloux in the system, still think Army way over estimated the market for Mailloux and got schooled on the return.

I wouldn't expect my opinion to change as its not based on future play as much as market value at the time of the trade.

I respectfully disagree.

If that's the standard then Keenan deserved to be fired immediately for trading a 100 point winger for a lanky scrub who couldn't get out of his own end.

lol Pronger was a #2 OA pick.

I'm going to ask, are you under 45?

1993-94 5g 25a 30pts -3
1994-95 5g 9a 14pts -12 (43 games - Lockout)

Traded to St. Louis, July 27, 1995.

1995-96 7g 18a 25pts -18

I hated the trade, and I hated Pronger. He sucked, it was embarrassing. Keenan would scream at him "Do you know who I traded for you?!?!?!". He couldn't make an outlet pass to save his life. He looked like Bambi. The acquisition of Gretzky saved his (donkey) because people forgot about him, they were watching Wayne. It was so bad, he mentioned it in his speech when they retired his number. I was wrong. Ended up loving the guy. It took a couple years.

Truth

Yep, I was a huge Shanny fan and a huge Pronger hater too, at first. But I also remember my first beer also.

I remember my first beer. It was from my dad’s Falstaff mini-keg in the basement fridge — was great because he couldn’t really tell that I was sneaking som. It was well before my first LEGAL beer, which was the night I turned 21 and me and a buddy who was 3 days older went to Erio’s Pizza at Cross Keys shopping center at New Halls Ferry & Lindbergh.

Anyone other ancient guys from North County like me who remember Erio’s???

Right here dude….i remember Erio’s, but only went there a couple times. I was more of an Angelo’s, Ponticello’s, Pironne’s guy

[Aesa]

Still the same for me.

Glad we have Mailloux in the system, still think Army way over estimated the market for Mailloux and got schooled on the return.

I wouldn't expect my opinion to change as its not based on future play as much as market value at the time of the trade.

I respectfully disagree.

If that's the standard then Keenan deserved to be fired immediately for trading a 100 point winger for a lanky scrub who couldn't get out of his own end.

lol Pronger was a #2 OA pick.

I'm going to ask, are you under 45?

1993-94 5g 25a 30pts -3
1994-95 5g 9a 14pts -12 (43 games - Lockout)

Traded to St. Louis, July 27, 1995.

1995-96 7g 18a 25pts -18

I hated the trade, and I hated Pronger. He sucked, it was embarrassing. Keenan would scream at him "Do you know who I traded for you?!?!?!". He couldn't make an outlet pass to save his life. He looked like Bambi. The acquisition of Gretzky saved his (donkey) because people forgot about him, they were watching Wayne. It was so bad, he mentioned it in his speech when they retired his number. I was wrong. Ended up loving the guy. It took a couple years.

Truth

Yep, I was a huge Shanny fan and a huge Pronger hater too, at first. But I also remember my first beer also.

I remember my first beer. It was from my dad’s Falstaff mini-keg in the basement fridge — was great because he couldn’t really tell that I was sneaking som. It was well before my first LEGAL beer, which was the night I turned 21 and me and a buddy who was 3 days older went to Erio’s Pizza at Cross Keys shopping center at New Halls Ferry & Lindbergh.

Anyone other ancient guys from North County like me who remember Erio’s???

Right here dude….i remember Erio’s, but only went there a couple times. I was more of an Angelo’s, Ponticello’s, Pironne’s guy

Ponticello's was my favorite Italian place. Dirty shame the neighborhood went to (bleep) over the years and they eventually had to shut down.

[netboy65]

Still the same for me.

Glad we have Mailloux in the system, still think Army way over estimated the market for Mailloux and got schooled on the return.

I wouldn't expect my opinion to change as its not based on future play as much as market value at the time of the trade.

I respectfully disagree.

If that's the standard then Keenan deserved to be fired immediately for trading a 100 point winger for a lanky scrub who couldn't get out of his own end.

lol Pronger was a #2 OA pick.

I'm going to ask, are you under 45?

1993-94 5g 25a 30pts -3
1994-95 5g 9a 14pts -12 (43 games - Lockout)

Traded to St. Louis, July 27, 1995.

1995-96 7g 18a 25pts -18

I hated the trade, and I hated Pronger. He sucked, it was embarrassing. Keenan would scream at him "Do you know who I traded for you?!?!?!". He couldn't make an outlet pass to save his life. He looked like Bambi. The acquisition of Gretzky saved his (donkey) because people forgot about him, they were watching Wayne. It was so bad, he mentioned it in his speech when they retired his number. I was wrong. Ended up loving the guy. It took a couple years.

Truth

Yep, I was a huge Shanny fan and a huge Pronger hater too, at first. But I also remember my first beer also.

I remember my first beer. It was from my dad’s Falstaff mini-keg in the basement fridge — was great because he couldn’t really tell that I was sneaking som. It was well before my first LEGAL beer, which was the night I turned 21 and me and a buddy who was 3 days older went to Erio’s Pizza at Cross Keys shopping center at New Halls Ferry & Lindbergh.

Anyone other ancient guys from North County like me who remember Erio’s???

Right here dude….i remember Erio’s, but only went there a couple times. I was more of an Angelo’s, Ponticello’s, Pironne’s guy

Ponticello's was my favorite Italian place. Dirty shame the neighborhood went to (bleep) over the years and they eventually had to shut down.

Their fried chicken was almost as good as their pizza.
You’re right about the neighborhood. I grew up just on the other side of 367 from there and back in the 70s it was an awesome area.

[son_of_foolsgold]

I'm sorry, but Mailloux plain sucks...he let the puny Hutson skate past him for the 1st goal the other night instead of pasting him to the ice like he should have. He isn't improving and he also adds nothing offensively, he is just offensive. I've seen enough. worst move of Army's career by far.