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Maybe we need to follow Bruins lead and fire Monty

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Worked for them, they destroyed us.

Monty has lost this team. The players are trying to get him fired.
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I don’t see that happening. It’s almost always the coach that pays the price, but this time, it needs to be the players. I think it’s time to move on from about 50% of the existing roster.
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Frank Underwood wrote: 05 Dec 2025 05:43 am I don’t see that happening. It’s almost always the coach that pays the price, but this time, it needs to be the players. I think it’s time to move on from about 50% of the existing roster.
I agree with Frank. There is a core here that are coach killers. Armstrong should do Steen a favor and clean out that cancer in the locker room before he turns things over.
I am so sick of watching Robert Thomas miss one scoring chance after another then skate off doing the eye rolling into the sky.
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For better or worse, Monty isnt going anywhere. The Blues can’t pay two coaches NOT to coach. Monty’s contract has too many years left on it too.

When I watch this team I really do get the feeling it’s a lack of urgency, which to me translates into a lack of giving a [shirt]. Maybe the players care about losing but it sure doesn’t seem like they care ENOUGH. There are some teams out there who hate losing but just aren’t good enough to overcome it. The blues ARE good enough (they showed that last year), and to me that says this team just doesn’t hate losing enough. That’s been a problem with this core for a long while.
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Re: Maybe we need to follow Bruins lead and fire Monty

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This is currently on Army, and no I am not upset. He lost Petro, and given the bonus and tax structure of the Vegas deal, I am not sure if Petro would have stayed (???). JBo's loss compounded the D situation greatly and losing top 2 D is not easy to replace. Barby was gonna leave and then losing Perron to me means the locker room lost a lot of character. Army pulled the surprise with Broberg and Holloway, but imagine if those did not work out, then what?

I do think that the ownership needs playoffs to get to cash flow positive so there is always pressure through history to chase that objective. Where I blame Army is spending a lot on B/B+ types, and that is ok if they have the right makeup. This team does not. So by spending to the cap, it creates a vicious cycle, gotta make the playoffs, spend to the cap, repeat.
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Backesdraft wrote: 05 Dec 2025 07:32 am For better or worse, Monty isnt going anywhere. The Blues can’t pay two coaches NOT to coach. Monty’s contract has too many years left on it too.

When I watch this team I really do get the feeling it’s a lack of urgency, which to me translates into a lack of giving a [shirt]. Maybe the players care about losing but it sure doesn’t seem like they care ENOUGH. There are some teams out there who hate losing but just aren’t good enough to overcome it. The blues ARE good enough (they showed that last year), and to me that says this team just doesn’t hate losing enough. That’s been a problem with this core for a long while.
I wish I could put my finger on it. They have the talent to have a far better record. Last night in the second they started surging. They darn near tied the game but couldn't finish. If they tie that game there is a different outcome. Instead Binner gives up two goals that he should've stopped and game over. I didn't see much fight from them. There needs to be a shake up at some level. It's not going to be the head coach and I don't see them throwing the assistant coaches under the bus. You're going to have to move a player or two. The most likely candidate being Schenn.
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Tony Palazzolo wrote: 05 Dec 2025 07:47 am They have the talent to have a far better record.
Do they really though? The Blues are not a particularly talented team by NHL standards.
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Trading Schenn is not going to fire this team up, the problem is much bigger.

I am all for one on trading Binnington, Thomas, Kyrou, Parayko, and Faulk....lets go full rebuild...I know you are not supposed to go full rebuild...we need it and let Steen do it not Armstrong.
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ManitobaBlues wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:09 am Trading Schenn is not going to fire this team up, the problem is much bigger.

I am all for one on trading Binnington, Thomas, Kyrou, Parayko, and Faulk....lets go full rebuild...I know you are not supposed to go full rebuild...we need it and let Steen do it not Armstrong.
I definitely don’t take JR’s word as gospel but he was on 101 yesterday or the day before and he said the likeliest trade candidates (to him) would be Schenn, Faulk, Kyrou. In that order.

He did say that he could see a scenario where Binner goes but that Blues fans would most likely be very underwhelmed by the return.
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MiamiLaw wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:03 am
Tony Palazzolo wrote: 05 Dec 2025 07:47 am They have the talent to have a far better record.
Do they really though? The Blues are not a particularly talented team by NHL standards.
The one thing they are lacking is the superstar. It's not a prerequisite for a winning, competitive team. When you look at the lines it's still a deep team. I'm not saying this is a SC roster, but certainly one that should make the playoffs. They aren't playing like it. Scoring just isn't skill related. It's getting to the front of the net.
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Tony Palazzolo wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:27 am
MiamiLaw wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:03 am
Tony Palazzolo wrote: 05 Dec 2025 07:47 am They have the talent to have a far better record.
Do they really though? The Blues are not a particularly talented team by NHL standards.
The one thing they are lacking is the superstar. It's not a prerequisite for a winning, competitive team. When you look at the lines it's still a deep team. I'm not saying this is a SC roster, but certainly one that should make the playoffs. They aren't playing like it. Scoring just isn't skill related. It's getting to the front of the net.
Kind of hard to get a superstar when you are middle of the road competitive year after year. You want a superstar, you need to blow it up and hold on for 3-5 years.
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Pierre McGuire wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:39 am Kind of hard to get a superstar when you are middle of the road competitive year after year. You want a superstar, you need to blow it up and hold on for 3-5 years.
You also need an incredible amount of luck. Who had the Islanders landing Schaefer besides nobody? The Hawks were the third worst team when they landed Bedard.

The "re-whatever is over" was a clown comment.
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    BalotelliMassive wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:48 am
    Pierre McGuire wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:39 am Kind of hard to get a superstar when you are middle of the road competitive year after year. You want a superstar, you need to blow it up and hold on for 3-5 years.
    You also need an incredible amount of luck. Who had the Islanders landing Schaefer besides nobody? The Hawks were the third worst team when they landed Bedard.

    The "re-whatever is over" was a clown comment.
    The "re-whatever is over" was a comment made by Army to sell to the dear diehard faithful clowns in St Louis. No one thinking would believe that. There was not a single player acquired during the re-whatever that was 300 miles from NHL ice when it was ended.

    Army's comment was only to throw the dogs off the track. He wanted the fans to QUIT LOOKING at the prospects. There was nothing to see there, and he knew it.
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    Tony Palazzolo wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:27 am
    MiamiLaw wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:03 am
    Tony Palazzolo wrote: 05 Dec 2025 07:47 am They have the talent to have a far better record.
    Do they really though? The Blues are not a particularly talented team by NHL standards.
    The one thing they are lacking is the superstar. It's not a prerequisite for a winning, competitive team. When you look at the lines it's still a deep team. I'm not saying this is a SC roster, but certainly one that should make the playoffs. They aren't playing like it. Scoring just isn't skill related. It's getting to the front of the net.
    I don’t think they even have a “superstar light” type like, say, Tarasenko. A guy who can do some elite things even if they are incomplete in all areas. Thomas is very good (when he’s going, which isn’t now for whatever reason), but he’s not elite. They don’t have a true 1D, a true 1C or a true scoring, first line winger. The goalies have been awful too and I’m not sure why there. Neither is a Patty Roy but they’re better than this.

    I don’t know. I look at this roster on paper next to almost any other team and I’m honestly not too surprised by what we’re seeing. We all focus on the Blues so it’s sometimes hard to realize that other teams are always trying to get better too.

    The Blues have been able to do decently for a bit here by being greater than the sum of their parts and trying to have depth, but this year it is being exposed.
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    Pierre McGuire wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:39 am
    Tony Palazzolo wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:27 am
    MiamiLaw wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:03 am
    Tony Palazzolo wrote: 05 Dec 2025 07:47 am They have the talent to have a far better record.
    Do they really though? The Blues are not a particularly talented team by NHL standards.
    The one thing they are lacking is the superstar. It's not a prerequisite for a winning, competitive team. When you look at the lines it's still a deep team. I'm not saying this is a SC roster, but certainly one that should make the playoffs. They aren't playing like it. Scoring just isn't skill related. It's getting to the front of the net.
    Kind of hard to get a superstar when you are middle of the road competitive year after year. You want a superstar, you need to blow it up and hold on for 3-5 years.
    Eichel.
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    DawgDad wrote: 05 Dec 2025 09:22 am
    Pierre McGuire wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:39 am
    Tony Palazzolo wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:27 am
    MiamiLaw wrote: 05 Dec 2025 08:03 am
    Tony Palazzolo wrote: 05 Dec 2025 07:47 am They have the talent to have a far better record.
    Do they really though? The Blues are not a particularly talented team by NHL standards.
    The one thing they are lacking is the superstar. It's not a prerequisite for a winning, competitive team. When you look at the lines it's still a deep team. I'm not saying this is a SC roster, but certainly one that should make the playoffs. They aren't playing like it. Scoring just isn't skill related. It's getting to the front of the net.
    Kind of hard to get a superstar when you are middle of the road competitive year after year. You want a superstar, you need to blow it up and hold on for 3-5 years.
    Eichel.
    I don’t think anybody else besides Vegas was even really in on Eichel because he wanted to call the shots on his neck surgery.
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