STL not alone with prospects that don't succeed - should go after Lawlar

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Many on here bemoan STL ability to have prospects become stars. The prime example is Jordan Walker. And yes, like you I am disappointed. But where I separate from some here is I am not shocked nor do I think STL is alone in this.

I was reading an article about AZ wanting to add to the pen via trade and are open to dealing including Jordan Lawler. If people recall in 2023 Walker was the 4th ranked prospect and Lawler 11th. Niether has panned out - yet.

IMO this is a guy STL should target and should offer Romero if that will return Lawler. Yeah, Romero is throwing great but again won't be here much longer.

[Carp4Cy]

Many on here bemoan STL ability to have prospects become stars. The prime example is Jordan Walker. And yes, like you I am disappointed. But where I separate from some here is I am not shocked nor do I think STL is alone in this.

I was reading an article about AZ wanting to add to the pen via trade and are open to dealing including Jordan Lawler. If people recall in 2023 Walker was the 4th ranked prospect and Lawler 11th. Niether has panned out - yet.

IMO this is a guy STL should target and should offer Romero if that will return Lawler. Yeah, Romero is throwing great but again won't be here much longer.

I mean, he's only 28. Bloom could consider extending him with some option years. Might turn out to be cheaper and better than just signing a FA plus plus LHRP off the street in 2028 when we decide to be good. Or giving up a top prospect to get him back in 2 years.

[C-Unit]

Good thought and Lawlar would potentially provide depth at 3b if he found his offense at the ML level

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Many on here bemoan STL ability to have prospects become stars. The prime example is Jordan Walker. And yes, like you I am disappointed. But where I separate from some here is I am not shocked nor do I think STL is alone in this.

I was reading an article about AZ wanting to add to the pen via trade and are open to dealing including Jordan Lawler. If people recall in 2023 Walker was the 4th ranked prospect and Lawler 11th. Niether has panned out - yet.

IMO this is a guy STL should target and should offer Romero if that will return Lawler. Yeah, Romero is throwing great but again won't be here much longer.

I mean, he's only 28. Bloom could consider extending him with some option years. Might turn out to be cheaper and better than just signing a FA plus plus LHRP off the street in 2028 when we decide to be good. Or giving up a top prospect to get him back in 2 years.

Relief pitchers are the most unpredictable year to year guys in baseball. Romero could flame out next year. Could need surgery. Also could be a dominant closer by July. All things are possible. The reality is there are few RPs that I want on a long term contract. He included. Unless it is really cheap and why would he do that when he is inches from free agency?

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Good thought and Lawlar would potentially provide depth at 3b if he found his offense at the ML level

Thanks. I have no idea if he has a weakness that has been exposed and can't be fixed or not. I would listen to the teams scouts. Just an idea that maybe it's an adjustment thing and there is still the potential star waiting to emerge.

[rockondlouie]

Worth a shot and they're reportedly looking at former MIzzou Tiger P. Fairbanks so they want RP's:

From MLBTR.com:

Lawlar is an interesting case as he has been and still is one of the top prospects in the league. Teams normally cling tightly to those players but there are some signs suggesting the Snakes and Lawlar may be a special case. As a prospect, he has destroyed minor league pitching but hasn’t been able to carve out a big league role in Arizona. He climbed the minor league ladder as a shortstop but the Diamondbacks have Geraldo Perdomo locked in there and Ketel Marte at second. Until recently, third base was also blocked by the presence of Eugenio Suárez.

Lawlar hit so much in Triple-A to start 2025, slashing .336/.413/.579 in 37 games, that the Diamondbacks called him up anyway. But they didn’t find much playing time for him and optioned him back down a few weeks later. He then suffered a hamstring strain in June which sidelined him for weeks. Arizona traded Suárez to Seattle at the deadline but Lawlar was still recovering at that time.

He was eventually healthy enough to be recalled at the end of August, which could have finally been the big league runway he needed, but it didn’t play out as hoped. He committed several throwing errors from third base in the first half of September. In the latter half of the month, the club mostly used him as a pinch-hitter and designated hitter. It was reported about a month ago that the Diamondbacks would have him take center field reps in winter ball. Playing for Tigres del Licey in the Dominican Republic, he has logged 58 innings at short, 27 in center and nine at third while slashing .167/.217/.214 over 12 games.

Put it all together and it’s possible that the Snakes don’t have as tight a grip on Lawlar as maybe some other clubs would with a top prospect. He is still just 23 years old and could still be a star but he might make more sense for a rebuilding club who can afford to be patient with him and his defensive uncertainty. Since the Snakes have a number of needs on the roster and a bit of a payroll squeeze, perhaps they could use Lawlar in a trade to bring back some affordable big leaguers.

Being willing to make a trade doesn’t mean it’s going to happen or is even likely. With the Marte situation, Hazen has been clear that it’s his job to listen to offers but that doesn’t mean he’s likely to move his star second baseman. The situation with Lawlar is surely similar but he will be an interesting name to watch in the coming weeks and months as there are undoubtedly teams who would love to take a chance on him.

[Strummer Jones]

Worth a shot and they're reportedly looking at former MIzzou Tiger P. Fairbanks so they want RP's:

From MLBTR.com:

Lawlar is an interesting case as he has been and still is one of the top prospects in the league. Teams normally cling tightly to those players but there are some signs suggesting the Snakes and Lawlar may be a special case. As a prospect, he has destroyed minor league pitching but hasn’t been able to carve out a big league role in Arizona. He climbed the minor league ladder as a shortstop but the Diamondbacks have Geraldo Perdomo locked in there and Ketel Marte at second. Until recently, third base was also blocked by the presence of Eugenio Suárez.

Lawlar hit so much in Triple-A to start 2025, slashing .336/.413/.579 in 37 games, that the Diamondbacks called him up anyway. But they didn’t find much playing time for him and optioned him back down a few weeks later. He then suffered a hamstring strain in June which sidelined him for weeks. Arizona traded Suárez to Seattle at the deadline but Lawlar was still recovering at that time.

He was eventually healthy enough to be recalled at the end of August, which could have finally been the big league runway he needed, but it didn’t play out as hoped. He committed several throwing errors from third base in the first half of September. In the latter half of the month, the club mostly used him as a pinch-hitter and designated hitter. It was reported about a month ago that the Diamondbacks would have him take center field reps in winter ball. Playing for Tigres del Licey in the Dominican Republic, he has logged 58 innings at short, 27 in center and nine at third while slashing .167/.217/.214 over 12 games.

Put it all together and it’s possible that the Snakes don’t have as tight a grip on Lawlar as maybe some other clubs would with a top prospect. He is still just 23 years old and could still be a star but he might make more sense for a rebuilding club who can afford to be patient with him and his defensive uncertainty. Since the Snakes have a number of needs on the roster and a bit of a payroll squeeze, perhaps they could use Lawlar in a trade to bring back some affordable big leaguers.

Being willing to make a trade doesn’t mean it’s going to happen or is even likely. With the Marte situation, Hazen has been clear that it’s his job to listen to offers but that doesn’t mean he’s likely to move his star second baseman. The situation with Lawlar is surely similar but he will be an interesting name to watch in the coming weeks and months as there are undoubtedly teams who would love to take a chance on him.

How did I just learn that Pete Fairbanks was a Mizzou Tiger? He's a couple years younger than me. Migh've been classmates and not known it!

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Worth a shot and they're reportedly looking at former MIzzou Tiger P. Fairbanks so they want RP's:

From MLBTR.com:

Lawlar is an interesting case as he has been and still is one of the top prospects in the league. Teams normally cling tightly to those players but there are some signs suggesting the Snakes and Lawlar may be a special case. As a prospect, he has destroyed minor league pitching but hasn’t been able to carve out a big league role in Arizona. He climbed the minor league ladder as a shortstop but the Diamondbacks have Geraldo Perdomo locked in there and Ketel Marte at second. Until recently, third base was also blocked by the presence of Eugenio Suárez.

Lawlar hit so much in Triple-A to start 2025, slashing .336/.413/.579 in 37 games, that the Diamondbacks called him up anyway. But they didn’t find much playing time for him and optioned him back down a few weeks later. He then suffered a hamstring strain in June which sidelined him for weeks. Arizona traded Suárez to Seattle at the deadline but Lawlar was still recovering at that time.

He was eventually healthy enough to be recalled at the end of August, which could have finally been the big league runway he needed, but it didn’t play out as hoped. He committed several throwing errors from third base in the first half of September. In the latter half of the month, the club mostly used him as a pinch-hitter and designated hitter. It was reported about a month ago that the Diamondbacks would have him take center field reps in winter ball. Playing for Tigres del Licey in the Dominican Republic, he has logged 58 innings at short, 27 in center and nine at third while slashing .167/.217/.214 over 12 games.

Put it all together and it’s possible that the Snakes don’t have as tight a grip on Lawlar as maybe some other clubs would with a top prospect. He is still just 23 years old and could still be a star but he might make more sense for a rebuilding club who can afford to be patient with him and his defensive uncertainty. Since the Snakes have a number of needs on the roster and a bit of a payroll squeeze, perhaps they could use Lawlar in a trade to bring back some affordable big leaguers.

Being willing to make a trade doesn’t mean it’s going to happen or is even likely. With the Marte situation, Hazen has been clear that it’s his job to listen to offers but that doesn’t mean he’s likely to move his star second baseman. The situation with Lawlar is surely similar but he will be an interesting name to watch in the coming weeks and months as there are undoubtedly teams who would love to take a chance on him.

Mea culpa - that article was what spurred my thought process on this.

[rockondlouie]

Worth a shot and they're reportedly looking at former MIzzou Tiger P. Fairbanks so they want RP's:

From MLBTR.com:

Lawlar is an interesting case as he has been and still is one of the top prospects in the league. Teams normally cling tightly to those players but there are some signs suggesting the Snakes and Lawlar may be a special case. As a prospect, he has destroyed minor league pitching but hasn’t been able to carve out a big league role in Arizona. He climbed the minor league ladder as a shortstop but the Diamondbacks have Geraldo Perdomo locked in there and Ketel Marte at second. Until recently, third base was also blocked by the presence of Eugenio Suárez.

Lawlar hit so much in Triple-A to start 2025, slashing .336/.413/.579 in 37 games, that the Diamondbacks called him up anyway. But they didn’t find much playing time for him and optioned him back down a few weeks later. He then suffered a hamstring strain in June which sidelined him for weeks. Arizona traded Suárez to Seattle at the deadline but Lawlar was still recovering at that time.

He was eventually healthy enough to be recalled at the end of August, which could have finally been the big league runway he needed, but it didn’t play out as hoped. He committed several throwing errors from third base in the first half of September. In the latter half of the month, the club mostly used him as a pinch-hitter and designated hitter. It was reported about a month ago that the Diamondbacks would have him take center field reps in winter ball. Playing for Tigres del Licey in the Dominican Republic, he has logged 58 innings at short, 27 in center and nine at third while slashing .167/.217/.214 over 12 games.

Put it all together and it’s possible that the Snakes don’t have as tight a grip on Lawlar as maybe some other clubs would with a top prospect. He is still just 23 years old and could still be a star but he might make more sense for a rebuilding club who can afford to be patient with him and his defensive uncertainty. Since the Snakes have a number of needs on the roster and a bit of a payroll squeeze, perhaps they could use Lawlar in a trade to bring back some affordable big leaguers.

Being willing to make a trade doesn’t mean it’s going to happen or is even likely. With the Marte situation, Hazen has been clear that it’s his job to listen to offers but that doesn’t mean he’s likely to move his star second baseman. The situation with Lawlar is surely similar but he will be an interesting name to watch in the coming weeks and months as there are undoubtedly teams who would love to take a chance on him.

How did I just learn that Pete Fairbanks was a Mizzou Tiger? He's a couple years younger than me. Migh've been classmates and not known it!

You both were there well after me, good guy.............MIZ-

[zuck698]

Good thought and Lawlar would potentially provide depth at 3b if he found his offense at the ML level

Thanks. I have no idea if he has a weakness that has been exposed and can't be fixed or not. I would listen to the teams scouts. Just an idea that maybe it's an adjustment thing and there is still the potential star waiting to emerge.

How about we trade one of ours, who hasn't lived up to expectations, for theirs? I say Gorman may be the perfect candidate for a change of scenery transaction. Maybe they will see all that untapped potential in Gorman that hasn't developed here. I know just from a defensive point alone, I would feel much more comfortable with Lawlar manning the hot corner vs. Nolan. Also, not sure the heart can take another year of him just pulling off pitches and flailing away at any pitch that has the slightest bend to it. This being that the expectation of our older Nolan being traded this off-season. Good post AZ_Cardsfan.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Good thought and Lawlar would potentially provide depth at 3b if he found his offense at the ML level

Thanks. I have no idea if he has a weakness that has been exposed and can't be fixed or not. I would listen to the teams scouts. Just an idea that maybe it's an adjustment thing and there is still the potential star waiting to emerge.

How about we trade one of ours, who hasn't lived up to expectations, for theirs? I say Gorman may be the perfect candidate for a change of scenery transaction. Maybe they will see all that untapped potential in Gorman that hasn't developed here. I know just from a defensive point alone, I would feel much more comfortable with Lawlar manning the hot corner vs. Nolan. Also, not sure the heart can take another year of him just pulling off pitches and flailing away at any pitch that has the slightest bend to it. This being that the expectation of our older Nolan being traded this off-season. Good post AZ_Cardsfan.

I would deal Gorman for him. But I think AZ has a solid infield already and are looking for relief pitching. Thanks

[Talkin' Baseball]

Good thought and Lawlar would potentially provide depth at 3b if he found his offense at the ML level

Thanks. I have no idea if he has a weakness that has been exposed and can't be fixed or not. I would listen to the teams scouts. Just an idea that maybe it's an adjustment thing and there is still the potential star waiting to emerge.

How about we trade one of ours, who hasn't lived up to expectations, for theirs? I say Gorman may be the perfect candidate for a change of scenery transaction. Maybe they will see all that untapped potential in Gorman that hasn't developed here. I know just from a defensive point alone, I would feel much more comfortable with Lawlar manning the hot corner vs. Nolan. Also, not sure the heart can take another year of him just pulling off pitches and flailing away at any pitch that has the slightest bend to it. This being that the expectation of our older Nolan being traded this off-season. Good post AZ_Cardsfan.

I would deal Gorman for him. But I think AZ has a solid infield already and are looking for relief pitching. Thanks

They will want more than relief pitching for Lawler. Promise.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Good thought and Lawlar would potentially provide depth at 3b if he found his offense at the ML level

Thanks. I have no idea if he has a weakness that has been exposed and can't be fixed or not. I would listen to the teams scouts. Just an idea that maybe it's an adjustment thing and there is still the potential star waiting to emerge.

How about we trade one of ours, who hasn't lived up to expectations, for theirs? I say Gorman may be the perfect candidate for a change of scenery transaction. Maybe they will see all that untapped potential in Gorman that hasn't developed here. I know just from a defensive point alone, I would feel much more comfortable with Lawlar manning the hot corner vs. Nolan. Also, not sure the heart can take another year of him just pulling off pitches and flailing away at any pitch that has the slightest bend to it. This being that the expectation of our older Nolan being traded this off-season. Good post AZ_Cardsfan.

I would deal Gorman for him. But I think AZ has a solid infield already and are looking for relief pitching. Thanks

They will want more than relief pitching for Lawler. Promise.

Hey I don't know how to look up trade values since baseballtradevalues.com went pay per. I'm just saying I'd take the risk on Lawlar with either of Romero or Gorman. Do you have access to their site? Would love to see how highly they still value him after his very poor showing in the majors to date.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Good thought and Lawlar would potentially provide depth at 3b if he found his offense at the ML level

Thanks. I have no idea if he has a weakness that has been exposed and can't be fixed or not. I would listen to the teams scouts. Just an idea that maybe it's an adjustment thing and there is still the potential star waiting to emerge.

How about we trade one of ours, who hasn't lived up to expectations, for theirs? I say Gorman may be the perfect candidate for a change of scenery transaction. Maybe they will see all that untapped potential in Gorman that hasn't developed here. I know just from a defensive point alone, I would feel much more comfortable with Lawlar manning the hot corner vs. Nolan. Also, not sure the heart can take another year of him just pulling off pitches and flailing away at any pitch that has the slightest bend to it. This being that the expectation of our older Nolan being traded this off-season. Good post AZ_Cardsfan.

I would deal Gorman for him. But I think AZ has a solid infield already and are looking for relief pitching. Thanks

They will want more than relief pitching for Lawler. Promise.

Hey I don't know how to look up trade values since baseballtradevalues.com went pay per. I'm just saying I'd take the risk on Lawlar with either of Romero or Gorman. Do you have access to their site? Would love to see how highly they still value him after his very poor showing in the majors to date.

They value Lawler at 19.3, Romero at 1.3, and Gorman at 1.1.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Good thought and Lawlar would potentially provide depth at 3b if he found his offense at the ML level

Thanks. I have no idea if he has a weakness that has been exposed and can't be fixed or not. I would listen to the teams scouts. Just an idea that maybe it's an adjustment thing and there is still the potential star waiting to emerge.

How about we trade one of ours, who hasn't lived up to expectations, for theirs? I say Gorman may be the perfect candidate for a change of scenery transaction. Maybe they will see all that untapped potential in Gorman that hasn't developed here. I know just from a defensive point alone, I would feel much more comfortable with Lawlar manning the hot corner vs. Nolan. Also, not sure the heart can take another year of him just pulling off pitches and flailing away at any pitch that has the slightest bend to it. This being that the expectation of our older Nolan being traded this off-season. Good post AZ_Cardsfan.

I would deal Gorman for him. But I think AZ has a solid infield already and are looking for relief pitching. Thanks

They will want more than relief pitching for Lawler. Promise.

Hey I don't know how to look up trade values since baseballtradevalues.com went pay per. I'm just saying I'd take the risk on Lawlar with either of Romero or Gorman. Do you have access to their site? Would love to see how highly they still value him after his very poor showing in the majors to date.

They value Lawler at 19.3, Romero at 1.3, and Gorman at 1.1.

I don't mind Lawler as a target, I see the potential you are talking about- these just aren't the guys to get that done.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

They value Lawler at 19.3, Romero at 1.3, and Gorman at 1.1.

I don't mind Lawler as a target, I see the potential you are talking about- these just aren't the guys to get that done.

Well maybe there is something to deal with here I don't know. Guess it's a dream.