DA's Big Trade

[netboy65]

Still the same for me.

Glad we have Mailloux in the system, still think Army way over estimated the market for Mailloux and got schooled on the return.

I wouldn't expect my opinion to change as its not based on future play as much as market value at the time of the trade.

I respectfully disagree.

If that's the standard then Keenan deserved to be fired immediately for trading a 100 point winger for a lanky scrub who couldn't get out of his own end.

lol Pronger was a #2 OA pick.

That doesn’t mean anything, Daigle was the number 1 pick and he was hot garbage, so no guarantee Pronger was going to be anything

[skilles]

Still the same for me.

Glad we have Mailloux in the system, still think Army way over estimated the market for Mailloux and got schooled on the return.

I wouldn't expect my opinion to change as its not based on future play as much as market value at the time of the trade.

I respectfully disagree.

If that's the standard then Keenan deserved to be fired immediately for trading a 100 point winger for a lanky scrub who couldn't get out of his own end.

lol Pronger was a #2 OA pick.

That doesn’t mean anything, Daigle was the number 1 pick and he was hot garbage, so no guarantee Pronger was going to be anything

Oh it means a lot, naming an outlier doesn't change that

[dhsux]

Still the same for me.

Glad we have Mailloux in the system, still think Army way over estimated the market for Mailloux and got schooled on the return.

I wouldn't expect my opinion to change as its not based on future play as much as market value at the time of the trade.

Skills I'm glad you are happy to have Mailloux on board but then to say DA gave too much no matter how the trade turns out just seems an inconsequential position and silly to me.

I mean most here would agree the Blues gave up a lot on balance that day, perhaps obviously so, meaning more in KNOWN aspects between the two players. If that's your only point then fine. But still that will indeed mean nothing if the trade works for the Blues. I think for all of us that's whats important...the next 5 to 10 years potentially speaking, not what happened on trade day.

I'm pretty sure DA knew he was giving a lot up front as well but he based his risk factor upon scouting and personal knowledge after looking the kid over pretty good, likely already aware of him and his situation.

Basically the jury remains out on all of this but if it comes back to the Blues favor I won't be the one saying DA got schooled.

[CoinsOperated]

Jesus H Chris, the people that hang on Bolduc's sack is amazing.

He's a decent winger with 12 points on a team that's way better. Some of you probably thought Brad Boyes was the second coming of Hull when he scored 43 in a season.

Mailloux's upside is so far higher than Bolduc's that it's ridiculous. He's a defenseman who has hardly played in the NHL at all. The same people crying about him are the people that cried when Pronger got here and wasn't what was expected immediately. The only error that was made was letting Mailloux start at the beginning of the season. This team is (bleep) and NHL games are close. He should have started in the AHL and allowed to get his footing. Instead Armstrong expected him to be a piece of the puzzle from the start when our defense sucks and our goalies decided to not show up until a quarter of the way through the season.

[TAFKAP]

Still the same for me.

Glad we have Mailloux in the system, still think Army way over estimated the market for Mailloux and got schooled on the return.

I wouldn't expect my opinion to change as its not based on future play as much as market value at the time of the trade.

I respectfully disagree.

If that's the standard then Keenan deserved to be fired immediately for trading a 100 point winger for a lanky scrub who couldn't get out of his own end.

lol Pronger was a #2 OA pick.

I'm going to ask, are you under 45?

1993-94 5g 25a 30pts -3
1994-95 5g 9a 14pts -12 (43 games - Lockout)

Traded to St. Louis, July 27, 1995.

1995-96 7g 18a 25pts -18

I hated the trade, and I hated Pronger. He sucked, it was embarrassing. Keenan would scream at him "Do you know who I traded for you?!?!?!". He couldn't make an outlet pass to save his life. He looked like Bambi. The acquisition of Gretzky saved his (donkey) because people forgot about him, they were watching Wayne. It was so bad, he mentioned it in his speech when they retired his number. I was wrong. Ended up loving the guy. It took a couple years.

[blues2112]

Right now, some 25 games in.

For me, I take the same risk DA took then and do the same deal today.

I know Zach is doing pretty good but I guess I'm seeing less risk with Logan and that big RHD return being still worth it.

......how do ya'll view the Bolduc for Mailloux trade today?

I don't think you can put in the win/loss. This is not a zero sum transaction. Both teams traded from strength to fill a need. You could pick any day and rate both players. Some days the trade will look better and others not so good.

Now the question is this...who in this organization would you bring up to fill the RD position if the trade wasn't made?

Bingo!

Five statements and a rhetorical question. You, sir, get the six-pack post of the day!

[iowa blues fan]

They are both the same age.
So far, is it comparison RIGHT NOW,
I’m sure we all understand that forwards and defenseman develop at the same pace???

[JoshInFenton]

I still say the best outcome is Montreal gets a 20/20 to 25/25 guy that can middle 6 and 2nd PP, and we get a future 2nd pairing RHD. A win win as long as you trade to the other conference is usually good for business. I'm not sure i felt that an offensive defensemen was the target we needed most, i thought we needed someone more Polished that was better than Leddy/Suter to fill the veteran role on the 3rd pairing. But i think this deal was not Army's worst, not even close to his worst, it was just ok.

And on the Brad Boyes reference: I thought he was the next Scott Young more or less. A guy that could put up 20-30 goals a year and 60-70 points a year. The 20+% shooting and the 40+ goals i knew wouldn't last, but figured if he kept putting in 1 in 7 shots and shot 200 times a season he'd still produce. Did not see the sub 50 points coming.

[DawgDad]

Now in my 70's it AMAZES me how many of you stubbornly cling to the past.

[SameOldBlues]

Still the same for me.

Glad we have Mailloux in the system, still think Army way over estimated the market for Mailloux and got schooled on the return.

I wouldn't expect my opinion to change as its not based on future play as much as market value at the time of the trade.

I respectfully disagree.

If that's the standard then Keenan deserved to be fired immediately for trading a 100 point winger for a lanky scrub who couldn't get out of his own end.

lol Pronger was a #2 OA pick.

I'm going to ask, are you under 45?

1993-94 5g 25a 30pts -3
1994-95 5g 9a 14pts -12 (43 games - Lockout)

Traded to St. Louis, July 27, 1995.

1995-96 7g 18a 25pts -18

I hated the trade, and I hated Pronger. He sucked, it was embarrassing. Keenan would scream at him "Do you know who I traded for you?!?!?!". He couldn't make an outlet pass to save his life. He looked like Bambi. The acquisition of Gretzky saved his (donkey) because people forgot about him, they were watching Wayne. It was so bad, he mentioned it in his speech when they retired his number. I was wrong. Ended up loving the guy. It took a couple years.

Truth

Yep, I was a huge Shanny fan and a huge Pronger hater too, at first. But I also remember my first beer also.

[SameOldBlues]

And…Im lovin the trade more and more each day. I wont lie either…It also feels good to see Mailloux startin to make his impatient detractors look goofy.

[Aesa]

And…Im lovin the trade more and more each day. I wont lie either…It also feels good to see Mailloux startin to make his impatient detractors look goofy.

+1

OT- Texted with Brandon yesterday. Very nice dude. Speaks highly of you.

[SameOldBlues]

And…Im lovin the trade more and more each day. I wont lie either…It also feels good to see Mailloux startin to make his impatient detractors look goofy.

+1

OT- Texted with Brandon yesterday. Very nice dude.

Nice! Yea…he’s supercool, and the best part…he’s VERY helpful with questions and will walk ya through any problems without any complaints. He’s very trustworthy compared to most of them sellers who are mainly looking to stack numbers. Gonna get a box for my bedroom soon too

[Bacchk29]

Right now, some 25 games in.

For me, I take the same risk DA took then and do the same deal today.

I know Zach is doing pretty good but I guess I'm seeing less risk with Logan and that big RHD return being still worth it.

......how do ya'll view the Bolduc for Mailloux trade today?

I don't think you can put in the win/loss. This is not a zero sum transaction. Both teams traded from strength to fill a need. You could pick any day and rate both players. Some days the trade will look better and others not so good.

Now the question is this...who in this organization would you bring up to fill the RD position if the trade wasn't made?

Simple make a small scale deal or pick a guy up off the waiver wire. 3rd pairing RHD play 8 -10 mins a game big deal. Meanwhile 25 games in you’re 29th in the league in scoring and you haven’t replaced what you lost.

[dhsux]

Right now, some 25 games in.

For me, I take the same risk DA took then and do the same deal today.

I know Zach is doing pretty good but I guess I'm seeing less risk with Logan and that big RHD return being still worth it.

......how do ya'll view the Bolduc for Mailloux trade today?

I don't think you can put in the win/loss. This is not a zero sum transaction. Both teams traded from strength to fill a need. You could pick any day and rate both players. Some days the trade will look better and others not so good.

Now the question is this...who in this organization would you bring up to fill the RD position if the trade wasn't made?

Simple make a small scale deal or pick a guy up off the waiver wire. 3rd pairing RHD play 8 -10 mins a game big deal. Meanwhile 25 games in you’re 29th in the league in scoring and you haven’t replaced what you lost.

His last 4 games, if you have noticed, have at a minimum equated to what you suggested above but at 12-14 mins.

Your choice...zero upside zero guarantee of anything anyway.

Blues choice, plenty.

[The Average Gatsby]

Right now, some 25 games in.

For me, I take the same risk DA took then and do the same deal today.

I know Zach is doing pretty good but I guess I'm seeing less risk with Logan and that big RHD return being still worth it.

......how do ya'll view the Bolduc for Mailloux trade today?

I don't think you can put in the win/loss. This is not a zero sum transaction. Both teams traded from strength to fill a need. You could pick any day and rate both players. Some days the trade will look better and others not so good.

Now the question is this...who in this organization would you bring up to fill the RD position if the trade wasn't made?

Simple make a small scale deal or pick a guy up off the waiver wire. 3rd pairing RHD play 8 -10 mins a game big deal. Meanwhile 25 games in you’re 29th in the league in scoring and you haven’t replaced what you lost.

Adding Bolduc back into the lineup doesn’t move the needle for this team at all. The most glaring issue is that we only have 4 nhl level defensemen, maybe 5 if Mailloux can continue his recent play. Army’s big mistake wasn’t trading Bolduc, it was not having any back up plan ready if both Tucker and Mailloux struggled.