ramfandan wrote: ↑28 Nov 2025 16:45 pm
That is normal GM speak in baseball 'that a specific good player won't be moved unless blown away by an offer '
It is just signaling to other teams that A. we are not trying to trade him and B. but he is not off limits either . That type of phraseology has been around for years. So nothing new.
It seems to me, Burleson might be able to get the much needed #2 type starting pitcher with a few seasons of control. Would the Cardinals make that move?
Not a chance Bumbles would bring back, in a solo trade, anyone higher than a low level #3 at best.
Donovan has a higher trade value and he won't bring back that #2 starter, in a solo deal, either.
ZERO chance he'd bring back a #2 w/seasons of control.
What about this. Does the ante go up if you trade Willy instead of Burleson, and put him at first. Does that bring more than Burleson.
WillyC's age may limit the return BDog but he does have value, likely more to a win now team than Burleson.
Neither would even come close to landing a #2 starter w/control.
To get that think JJW + ???? and there's not a chance in h e l l I'd make that move.
Zero chance the Cardinals deal or sign a #2, best shot will be L. Doyle but he's likely two years (2027/28) away.
If I'm interpreting what you are saying, it will result in a long, disappointing '26 season, record-wise. And attendance continuing a downward spiral.
The cards will look for one or two vet starting pitchers on one year deals.
ramfandan wrote: ↑28 Nov 2025 16:45 pm
That is normal GM speak in baseball 'that a specific good player won't be moved unless blown away by an offer '
It is just signaling to other teams that A. we are not trying to trade him and B. but he is not off limits either . That type of phraseology has been around for years. So nothing new.
It seems to me, Burleson might be able to get the much needed #2 type starting pitcher with a few seasons of control. Would the Cardinals make that move?
Not a chance Bumbles would bring back, in a solo trade, anyone higher than a low level #3 at best.
Donovan has a higher trade value and he won't bring back that #2 starter, in a solo deal, either.
ZERO chance he'd bring back a #2 w/seasons of control.
What about this. Does the ante go up if you trade Willy instead of Burleson, and put him at first. Does that bring more than Burleson.
WillyC's age may limit the return BDog but he does have value, likely more to a win now team than Burleson.
Neither would even come close to landing a #2 starter w/control.
To get that think JJW + ???? and there's not a chance in h e l l I'd make that move.
Zero chance the Cardinals deal or sign a #2, best shot will be L. Doyle but he's likely two years (2027/28) away.
If I'm interpreting what you are saying, it will result in a long, disappointing '26 season, record-wise. And attendance continuing a downward spiral.
It's a re-build season.
That said (and I may be nuts) I think the 2026 team will be a lot better than the 2025 team which could keep attendance above 2M, perhaps even 2.5M if they can stay in contention most of the season.
Just removing M. Mikolas, E. Fedde and hopefully A. Pallante from the starting rotation should make them better.
Plus adding JJW, a healthy M. Winn and hopefully a better version of N. Gorman, Libby & VSII.
Losing B. Donovan is going to hurt but JJW should more than makeup offensively if Donny is traded.
I look for C. Bloom to add some veteran arms in the pen', perhaps even another SP (either a young major league starter w/years of control or a AAA starter ready to make the jump in 2026 to MLB) when he trades Donovan.
A RHH'd OF bat would be ideal, hopefully one falls in price and BDWJr let's Bloom sign him.
ramfandan wrote: ↑28 Nov 2025 16:45 pm
That is normal GM speak in baseball 'that a specific good player won't be moved unless blown away by an offer '
It is just signaling to other teams that A. we are not trying to trade him and B. but he is not off limits either . That type of phraseology has been around for years. So nothing new.
It seems to me, Burleson might be able to get the much needed #2 type starting pitcher with a few seasons of control. Would the Cardinals make that move?
Not a chance Bumbles would bring back, in a solo trade, anyone higher than a low level #3 at best.
Donovan has a higher trade value and he won't bring back that #2 starter, in a solo deal, either.
ZERO chance he'd bring back a #2 w/seasons of control.
What about this. Does the ante go up if you trade Willy instead of Burleson, and put him at first. Does that bring more than Burleson.
WillyC's age may limit the return BDog but he does have value, likely more to a win now team than Burleson.
Neither would even come close to landing a #2 starter w/control.
To get that think JJW + ???? and there's not a chance in h e l l I'd make that move.
Zero chance the Cardinals deal or sign a #2, best shot will be L. Doyle but he's likely two years (2027/28) away.
If I'm interpreting what you are saying, it will result in a long, disappointing '26 season, record-wise. And attendance continuing a downward spiral.
It's a re-build season.
That said (and I may be nuts) I think the 2026 team will be a lot better than the 2025 team which could keep attendance above 2M, perhaps even 2.5M if they can stay in contention most of the season.
Just removing M. Mikolas, E. Fedde and hopefully A. Pallante from the starting rotation should make them better.
Plus adding JJW, a healthy M. Winn and hopefully a better version of N. Gorman, Libby & VSII.
Losing B. Donovan is going to hurt but JJW should more than makeup offensively if Donny is traded.
I look for C. Bloom to add some veteran arms in the pen', perhaps even another SP (either a young major league starter w/years of control or a AAA starter ready to make the jump in 2026 to MLB) when he trades Donovan.
A RHH'd OF bat would be ideal, hopefully one falls in price and BDWJr let's Bloom sign him.
What's your plan for adding additional starting pitching in '26? Hopefully, at least one, better than what the Cardinals already have.
Hopefully this Weiner Fitts guy we got from the Sox will pan out. Been listening to a number of people say he's, at a minimum, a 4th/5th starter, but with his velocity and pitch mix has the ability to be closer to a #3.
ramfandan wrote: ↑28 Nov 2025 16:45 pm
That is normal GM speak in baseball 'that a specific good player won't be moved unless blown away by an offer '
It is just signaling to other teams that A. we are not trying to trade him and B. but he is not off limits either . That type of phraseology has been around for years. So nothing new.
It seems to me, Burleson might be able to get the much needed #2 type starting pitcher with a few seasons of control. Would the Cardinals make that move?
Not a chance Bumbles would bring back, in a solo trade, anyone higher than a low level #3 at best.
Donovan has a higher trade value and he won't bring back that #2 starter, in a solo deal, either.
ZERO chance he'd bring back a #2 w/seasons of control.
What about this. Does the ante go up if you trade Willy instead of Burleson, and put him at first. Does that bring more than Burleson.
WillyC's age may limit the return BDog but he does have value, likely more to a win now team than Burleson.
Neither would even come close to landing a #2 starter w/control.
To get that think JJW + ???? and there's not a chance in h e l l I'd make that move.
Zero chance the Cardinals deal or sign a #2, best shot will be L. Doyle but he's likely two years (2027/28) away.
If I'm interpreting what you are saying, it will result in a long, disappointing '26 season, record-wise. And attendance continuing a downward spiral.
It's a re-build season.
That said (and I may be nuts) I think the 2026 team will be a lot better than the 2025 team which could keep attendance above 2M, perhaps even 2.5M if they can stay in contention most of the season.
Just removing M. Mikolas, E. Fedde and hopefully A. Pallante from the starting rotation should make them better.
Plus adding JJW, a healthy M. Winn and hopefully a better version of N. Gorman, Libby & VSII.
Losing B. Donovan is going to hurt but JJW should more than makeup offensively if Donny is traded.
I look for C. Bloom to add some veteran arms in the pen', perhaps even another SP (either a young major league starter w/years of control or a AAA starter ready to make the jump in 2026 to MLB) when he trades Donovan.
A RHH'd OF bat would be ideal, hopefully one falls in price and BDWJr let's Bloom sign him.
What's your plan for adding additional starting pitching in '26? Hopefully, at least one, better than what the Cardinals already have.
ramfandan wrote: ↑28 Nov 2025 16:45 pm
That is normal GM speak in baseball 'that a specific good player won't be moved unless blown away by an offer '
It is just signaling to other teams that A. we are not trying to trade him and B. but he is not off limits either . That type of phraseology has been around for years. So nothing new.
It seems to me, Burleson might be able to get the much needed #2 type starting pitcher with a few seasons of control. Would the Cardinals make that move?
Not a chance Bumbles would bring back, in a solo trade, anyone higher than a low level #3 at best.
Donovan has a higher trade value and he won't bring back that #2 starter, in a solo deal, either.
ZERO chance he'd bring back a #2 w/seasons of control.
What about this. Does the ante go up if you trade Willy instead of Burleson, and put him at first. Does that bring more than Burleson.
WillyC's age may limit the return BDog but he does have value, likely more to a win now team than Burleson.
Neither would even come close to landing a #2 starter w/control.
To get that think JJW + ???? and there's not a chance in h e l l I'd make that move.
Zero chance the Cardinals deal or sign a #2, best shot will be L. Doyle but he's likely two years (2027/28) away.
If I'm interpreting what you are saying, it will result in a long, disappointing '26 season, record-wise. And attendance continuing a downward spiral.
It's a re-build season.
That said (and I may be nuts) I think the 2026 team will be a lot better than the 2025 team which could keep attendance above 2M, perhaps even 2.5M if they can stay in contention most of the season.
Just removing M. Mikolas, E. Fedde and hopefully A. Pallante from the starting rotation should make them better.
Plus adding JJW, a healthy M. Winn and hopefully a better version of N. Gorman, Libby & VSII.
Losing B. Donovan is going to hurt but JJW should more than makeup offensively if Donny is traded.
I look for C. Bloom to add some veteran arms in the pen', perhaps even another SP (either a young major league starter w/years of control or a AAA starter ready to make the jump in 2026 to MLB) when he trades Donovan.
A RHH'd OF bat would be ideal, hopefully one falls in price and BDWJr let's Bloom sign him.
What's your plan for adding additional starting pitching in '26? Hopefully, at least one, better than what the Cardinals already have.
Re above:
bolden
Right now, if the additional pitchers you feel Bloom will sign aren't an upgrade from what the Cardinals already have,
it's likely to be a long, frustrating season.
ramfandan wrote: ↑28 Nov 2025 16:45 pm
That is normal GM speak in baseball 'that a specific good player won't be moved unless blown away by an offer '
It is just signaling to other teams that A. we are not trying to trade him and B. but he is not off limits either . That type of phraseology has been around for years. So nothing new.
It seems to me, Burleson might be able to get the much needed #2 type starting pitcher with a few seasons of control. Would the Cardinals make that move?
Not a chance Bumbles would bring back, in a solo trade, anyone higher than a low level #3 at best.
Donovan has a higher trade value and he won't bring back that #2 starter, in a solo deal, either.
ZERO chance he'd bring back a #2 w/seasons of control.
What about this. Does the ante go up if you trade Willy instead of Burleson, and put him at first. Does that bring more than Burleson.
WillyC's age may limit the return BDog but he does have value, likely more to a win now team than Burleson.
Neither would even come close to landing a #2 starter w/control.
To get that think JJW + ???? and there's not a chance in h e l l I'd make that move.
Zero chance the Cardinals deal or sign a #2, best shot will be L. Doyle but he's likely two years (2027/28) away.
If I'm interpreting what you are saying, it will result in a long, disappointing '26 season, record-wise. And attendance continuing a downward spiral.
It's a re-build season.
That said (and I may be nuts) I think the 2026 team will be a lot better than the 2025 team which could keep attendance above 2M, perhaps even 2.5M if they can stay in contention most of the season.
Just removing M. Mikolas, E. Fedde and hopefully A. Pallante from the starting rotation should make them better.
Plus adding JJW, a healthy M. Winn and hopefully a better version of N. Gorman, Libby & VSII.
Losing B. Donovan is going to hurt but JJW should more than makeup offensively if Donny is traded.
I look for C. Bloom to add some veteran arms in the pen', perhaps even another SP (either a young major league starter w/years of control or a AAA starter ready to make the jump in 2026 to MLB) when he trades Donovan.
A RHH'd OF bat would be ideal, hopefully one falls in price and BDWJr let's Bloom sign him.
What's your plan for adding additional starting pitching in '26? Hopefully, at least one, better than what the Cardinals already have.
Re above:
bolden
Right now, if the additional pitchers you feel Bloom will sign aren't an upgrade from what the Cardinals already have,
it's likely to be a long, frustrating season.
If Donny is dealt (perhaps in a package w/a catcher), then his return would be either a young major league starter w/years of control better than any of our current starters or a AAA starter ready to make the jump in 2026 to MLB w/the potential to be better as well.
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑29 Nov 2025 06:43 am
He won’t fetch much. Defensive stiffs only have so much value especially one with a light swinging high average bat. Probably can get a prospect for him like Gray fetched you. The upside isn’t there I fully anticipate to see him regress this year while getting less PAs.
Bull chit. His offensive stats have increased each year. OPS over .800 first time. Probably gets higher this year.
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑29 Nov 2025 06:43 am
He won’t fetch much. Defensive stiffs only have so much value especially one with a light swinging high average bat. Probably can get a prospect for him like Gray fetched you. The upside isn’t there I fully anticipate to see him regress this year while getting less PAs.
Bull chit. His offensive stats have increased each year. OPS over .800 first time. Probably gets higher this year.
He barely clipped .800.
Now I’m not saying he will never hit it again, but that does happen.
I think, if traded, he could get a decent return tho. Nothing earth shattering. Similar to Gray.
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑29 Nov 2025 06:43 am
He won’t fetch much. Defensive stiffs only have so much value especially one with a light swinging high average bat. Probably can get a prospect for him like Gray fetched you. The upside isn’t there I fully anticipate to see him regress this year while getting less PAs.
Bull chit. His offensive stats have increased each year. OPS over .800 first time. Probably gets higher this year.
He barely clipped .800.
Now I’m not saying he will never hit it again, but that does happen.
I think, if traded, he could get a decent return tho. Nothing earth shattering. Similar to Gray.
ramfandan wrote: ↑28 Nov 2025 16:45 pm
That is normal GM speak in baseball 'that a specific good player won't be moved unless blown away by an offer '
It is just signaling to other teams that A. we are not trying to trade him and B. but he is not off limits either . That type of phraseology has been around for years. So nothing new.
