Darren Dreger

[Old_Goat]

The comments to the op's links from the oilers fans are kind of funny. Any universe where we trade Binnie and Skinner is part of the return ... I would be done. They are probably getting a more desperate than Leafs fans given the expectations and skinner letting in two of the first five shots he has faced tonite.

Desperate was Krug/faulk/bchnevich. That was desperate and expensive.

The blues aren’t winning a cup in binningtons time left. Why keep him? Nostalgia?

No desperate was your lakehouse buddy giving jack campbell a five year 25 million deal.

desperate is trying to replace a legend like Pietrangelo with 90+ mil on 2 midgets … my man

"A Legend?" Hilarious! Shattenkirk was viewed as the better more reliable D-man over Pietrangelo for years. O'Reilly was the defacto Leader of the Cup-Winning team. Boumeister and Parayko were the two leading D-men during the Championship run. Bortuzzo's and Gunnarson's goals scored in the playoffs in that year were more timely and impactful in winning two critical games than Pietrangelo's in game 7. And Management took Backes' recommendation for whom to name the Captain as he left. Note, I liked Backes as a player, have no dislike for Pietrangelo as a player, but my sense is neither were leaders in the sense of gathering the team together and increasing its bonding. Management blew it by not understanding the real team dynamic and the actual informal leaders when they picked Petro. Lucky O'Reilly showed up.
Think of the Cardinals "The Heat Is On" theme song in 1985. Or Pittsburgh Pirates Willy Stargell led "We Are Family" in 1979...And one of the most iconic examples of an inspiring song for a Championship Team came as a result of 5 players, while the Team Captain was nowhere to be found, Fabbri, Bortuzzo, Steen, Edmundson and Schwartz gathered in a Philly bar and even pumped up another teams fans there with "Gloria." That's a legend!
Theo, you are beyond desperate my man.

This a joke? Because the first bolded is simply not true.

The second bolded requires a citation because otherwise it's unsupported conjecture.

The third bolded suggests that "timely" goals are the only things to consider when evaluating a playoff run.

The fourth bolded suggests that Pietrangelo is only captain because an exiting Backes said he should be, which again, isn't true.

Must be a joke post.

Not a joke at all.
-Shattenkirk was viewed by some as the better player. So for them it's true. Not simply conjecture.
-You don't understand the concept of Informal Leadership. And I am not going to provide you a complimentary lesson in the concept nor any aspect of Leadership or Organizational Development.
-I never said that timely goals are the only things to consider when evaluating a playoff run. Do not twist my words. I was not evaluating the run.
-I did not boldly suggest that Pietrangelo was ONLY captain based upon Backes' recommendation. Again you are twisting my words. That is a fact, it was stated by Management at the time. And do not tell me to go find the quote. You go find it to prove that you have NOT twisted my words. What I boldly stated was that Management took his recommendation, but they blew it by picking him over other members of the team at the time.
Your style and illogical sense of communication, twisted words, etc. are very familiar...What other names/pseudonyms do you use to identify when you post on this site? I've noticed this before when responding to nonsensical postings to "theograce," from which others like you are quick to counterattack with untruths. (I'll bet it's you.)

Show me anything from anyone who isn’t a forum fan that claims Shattenkirk was at any point in his career a better player than Pietrangelo. We can start there.

Answer my question: What other names/pseudonyms are you posting under?
I'm not going to invade privacy nor introduce to you close associates whom are former NHL players & coaches whom have shared their views with me directly, first-hand. I will end there.

[smilinjoefission]

Don’t know what the Oilers can offer for Binner that helps us. RNH but he’s on IR. Partners don’t make sense from out standpoint

2 years ago there were only 4 players on the Oilers that made sense for us.

We got 2 of them already. The other 2 aren't getting traded.

Other than that Edmonton has nothing in its farm system, and nothing of value to us in the NHL.

I don't know if there is a worse trading partner for us out there.

With the Oilers I'd demand 1st round picks because they look like they could tank any season and getting a couple Top 5 picks over multiple years would be nice...and maybe Savoie

[seattleblue]

The comments to the op's links from the oilers fans are kind of funny. Any universe where we trade Binnie and Skinner is part of the return ... I would be done. They are probably getting a more desperate than Leafs fans given the expectations and skinner letting in two of the first five shots he has faced tonite.

Desperate was Krug/faulk/bchnevich. That was desperate and expensive.

The blues aren’t winning a cup in binningtons time left. Why keep him? Nostalgia?

No desperate was your lakehouse buddy giving jack campbell a five year 25 million deal.

desperate is trying to replace a legend like Pietrangelo with 90+ mil on 2 midgets … my man

"A Legend?" Hilarious! Shattenkirk was viewed as the better more reliable D-man over Pietrangelo for years. O'Reilly was the defacto Leader of the Cup-Winning team. Boumeister and Parayko were the two leading D-men during the Championship run. Bortuzzo's and Gunnarson's goals scored in the playoffs in that year were more timely and impactful in winning two critical games than Pietrangelo's in game 7. And Management took Backes' recommendation for whom to name the Captain as he left. Note, I liked Backes as a player, have no dislike for Pietrangelo as a player, but my sense is neither were leaders in the sense of gathering the team together and increasing its bonding. Management blew it by not understanding the real team dynamic and the actual informal leaders when they picked Petro. Lucky O'Reilly showed up.
Think of the Cardinals "The Heat Is On" theme song in 1985. Or Pittsburgh Pirates Willy Stargell led "We Are Family" in 1979...And one of the most iconic examples of an inspiring song for a Championship Team came as a result of 5 players, while the Team Captain was nowhere to be found, Fabbri, Bortuzzo, Steen, Edmundson and Schwartz gathered in a Philly bar and even pumped up another teams fans there with "Gloria." That's a legend!
Theo, you are beyond desperate my man.

I have to say that I am utterly familiar with the "Shattenkirk is actually our best defenseman" while Petro was on the team argument. For years I used that as the quickest way to understand if the other person understands hockey. There has never been one moment where Shattenkirk was on par with Petro. Don't hate another poster into posting straight up [nonsense]. That is the reason I talk to him like a normal person when people berate him. He figured out how to get people to expose bad faith while attacking him. It's clever actually and I give him credit.

Of course, I get along with you and numerous of the other people too – Durbano and John C spring immediately to mind here – and just for the substance sake of this question on whether Armstrong seemed to take responsibility when Berube was fired, I remember it that way too. I promise you that if he had not announced his future retirement at that time it would have been unacceptable. I would have found it unacceptable and I would have talked about it. But he announced his retirement so I accepted that as the compromise. I am fully ready for the end of him as Blues GM now.

[DoneLurking]

The comments to the op's links from the oilers fans are kind of funny. Any universe where we trade Binnie and Skinner is part of the return ... I would be done. They are probably getting a more desperate than Leafs fans given the expectations and skinner letting in two of the first five shots he has faced tonite.

Desperate was Krug/faulk/bchnevich. That was desperate and expensive.

The blues aren’t winning a cup in binningtons time left. Why keep him? Nostalgia?

No desperate was your lakehouse buddy giving jack campbell a five year 25 million deal.

desperate is trying to replace a legend like Pietrangelo with 90+ mil on 2 midgets … my man

"A Legend?" Hilarious! Shattenkirk was viewed as the better more reliable D-man over Pietrangelo for years. O'Reilly was the defacto Leader of the Cup-Winning team. Boumeister and Parayko were the two leading D-men during the Championship run. Bortuzzo's and Gunnarson's goals scored in the playoffs in that year were more timely and impactful in winning two critical games than Pietrangelo's in game 7. And Management took Backes' recommendation for whom to name the Captain as he left. Note, I liked Backes as a player, have no dislike for Pietrangelo as a player, but my sense is neither were leaders in the sense of gathering the team together and increasing its bonding. Management blew it by not understanding the real team dynamic and the actual informal leaders when they picked Petro. Lucky O'Reilly showed up.
Think of the Cardinals "The Heat Is On" theme song in 1985. Or Pittsburgh Pirates Willy Stargell led "We Are Family" in 1979...And one of the most iconic examples of an inspiring song for a Championship Team came as a result of 5 players, while the Team Captain was nowhere to be found, Fabbri, Bortuzzo, Steen, Edmundson and Schwartz gathered in a Philly bar and even pumped up another teams fans there with "Gloria." That's a legend!
Theo, you are beyond desperate my man.

This a joke? Because the first bolded is simply not true.

The second bolded requires a citation because otherwise it's unsupported conjecture.

The third bolded suggests that "timely" goals are the only things to consider when evaluating a playoff run.

The fourth bolded suggests that Pietrangelo is only captain because an exiting Backes said he should be, which again, isn't true.

Must be a joke post.

Not a joke at all.
-Shattenkirk was viewed by some as the better player. So for them it's true. Not simply conjecture.
-You don't understand the concept of Informal Leadership. And I am not going to provide you a complimentary lesson in the concept nor any aspect of Leadership or Organizational Development.
-I never said that timely goals are the only things to consider when evaluating a playoff run. Do not twist my words. I was not evaluating the run.
-I did not boldly suggest that Pietrangelo was ONLY captain based upon Backes' recommendation. Again you are twisting my words. That is a fact, it was stated by Management at the time. And do not tell me to go find the quote. You go find it to prove that you have NOT twisted my words. What I boldly stated was that Management took his recommendation, but they blew it by picking him over other members of the team at the time.
Your style and illogical sense of communication, twisted words, etc. are very familiar...What other names/pseudonyms do you use to identify when you post on this site? I've noticed this before when responding to nonsensical postings to "theograce," from which others like you are quick to counterattack with untruths. (I'll bet it's you.)

Show me anything from anyone who isn’t a forum fan that claims Shattenkirk was at any point in his career a better player than Pietrangelo. We can start there.

Answer my question: What other names/pseudonyms are you posting under?
I'm not going to invade privacy nor introduce to you close associates whom are former NHL players & coaches whom have shared their views with me directly, first-hand. I will end there.

Source: trust me bro.

I could have been Verson, Bleeder, aSSoG, rollin, and laruskee, and and you’d still be someone who passes your opinions off as facts then cries foul when someone challenges them.

[TheJackBurton]

Don’t know what the Oilers can offer for Binner that helps us. RNH but he’s on IR. Partners don’t make sense from out standpoint

2 years ago there were only 4 players on the Oilers that made sense for us.

We got 2 of them already. The other 2 aren't getting traded.

Other than that Edmonton has nothing in its farm system, and nothing of value to us in the NHL.

I don't know if there is a worse trading partner for us out there.

With the Oilers I'd demand 1st round picks because they look like they could tank any season and getting a couple Top 5 picks over multiple years would be nice...and maybe Savoie

Teams aren't getting top 10 picks in trades anymore. Just about every trade involving a first round pick has a top 10 pick protected at least for the upcoming draft

[theograce]

The comments to the op's links from the oilers fans are kind of funny. Any universe where we trade Binnie and Skinner is part of the return ... I would be done. They are probably getting a more desperate than Leafs fans given the expectations and skinner letting in two of the first five shots he has faced tonite.

Desperate was Krug/faulk/bchnevich. That was desperate and expensive.

The blues aren’t winning a cup in binningtons time left. Why keep him? Nostalgia?

No desperate was your lakehouse buddy giving jack campbell a five year 25 million deal.

desperate is trying to replace a legend like Pietrangelo with 90+ mil on 2 midgets … my man

"A Legend?"

Armstrong thinks so. Thinks about him every time he walks past statues.

[Old_Goat]

The comments to the op's links from the oilers fans are kind of funny. Any universe where we trade Binnie and Skinner is part of the return ... I would be done. They are probably getting a more desperate than Leafs fans given the expectations and skinner letting in two of the first five shots he has faced tonite.

Desperate was Krug/faulk/bchnevich. That was desperate and expensive.

The blues aren’t winning a cup in binningtons time left. Why keep him? Nostalgia?

No desperate was your lakehouse buddy giving jack campbell a five year 25 million deal.

desperate is trying to replace a legend like Pietrangelo with 90+ mil on 2 midgets … my man

"A Legend?" Hilarious! Shattenkirk was viewed as the better more reliable D-man over Pietrangelo for years. O'Reilly was the defacto Leader of the Cup-Winning team. Boumeister and Parayko were the two leading D-men during the Championship run. Bortuzzo's and Gunnarson's goals scored in the playoffs in that year were more timely and impactful in winning two critical games than Pietrangelo's in game 7. And Management took Backes' recommendation for whom to name the Captain as he left. Note, I liked Backes as a player, have no dislike for Pietrangelo as a player, but my sense is neither were leaders in the sense of gathering the team together and increasing its bonding. Management blew it by not understanding the real team dynamic and the actual informal leaders when they picked Petro. Lucky O'Reilly showed up.
Think of the Cardinals "The Heat Is On" theme song in 1985. Or Pittsburgh Pirates Willy Stargell led "We Are Family" in 1979...And one of the most iconic examples of an inspiring song for a Championship Team came as a result of 5 players, while the Team Captain was nowhere to be found, Fabbri, Bortuzzo, Steen, Edmundson and Schwartz gathered in a Philly bar and even pumped up another teams fans there with "Gloria." That's a legend!
Theo, you are beyond desperate my man.

This a joke? Because the first bolded is simply not true.

The second bolded requires a citation because otherwise it's unsupported conjecture.

The third bolded suggests that "timely" goals are the only things to consider when evaluating a playoff run.

The fourth bolded suggests that Pietrangelo is only captain because an exiting Backes said he should be, which again, isn't true.

Must be a joke post.

Not a joke at all.
-Shattenkirk was viewed by some as the better player. So for them it's true. Not simply conjecture.
-You don't understand the concept of Informal Leadership. And I am not going to provide you a complimentary lesson in the concept nor any aspect of Leadership or Organizational Development.
-I never said that timely goals are the only things to consider when evaluating a playoff run. Do not twist my words. I was not evaluating the run.
-I did not boldly suggest that Pietrangelo was ONLY captain based upon Backes' recommendation. Again you are twisting my words. That is a fact, it was stated by Management at the time. And do not tell me to go find the quote. You go find it to prove that you have NOT twisted my words. What I boldly stated was that Management took his recommendation, but they blew it by picking him over other members of the team at the time.
Your style and illogical sense of communication, twisted words, etc. are very familiar...What other names/pseudonyms do you use to identify when you post on this site? I've noticed this before when responding to nonsensical postings to "theograce," from which others like you are quick to counterattack with untruths. (I'll bet it's you.)

Show me anything from anyone who isn’t a forum fan that claims Shattenkirk was at any point in his career a better player than Pietrangelo. We can start there.

Answer my question: What other names/pseudonyms are you posting under?
I'm not going to invade privacy nor introduce to you close associates whom are former NHL players & coaches whom have shared their views with me directly, first-hand. I will end there.

Source: trust me bro.

I could have been Verson, Bleeder, aSSoG, rollin, and laruskee, and and you’d still be someone who passes your opinions off as facts then cries foul when someone challenges them.

Again, "Shattenkirk was viewed by some as the better player. So for them it's true."
That's a fact. And that's what I wrote. In fact, I did NOT even say that was MY opinion. Actually, I felt that Shattenkirk was revealed, practically wilted in playoffs, and even told those whom felt he was the better player, that Pietrangelo stepped-up and played better in those crucial times.
So, my point is that a "Legend" is someone in which there is no doubt.
I don't have to provide evidence to you nor anyone else of what someone else's opinion is, nor what they may have said to me.
You don't know what you don't know. And you don't know whom you don't know.
Theograce, I mean Donelurking...check out your time stamps on your replies. Just use one moniker.

[IsDurbanodoingtime]

The comments to the op's links from the oilers fans are kind of funny. Any universe where we trade Binnie and Skinner is part of the return ... I would be done. They are probably getting a more desperate than Leafs fans given the expectations and skinner letting in two of the first five shots he has faced tonite.

Desperate was Krug/faulk/bchnevich. That was desperate and expensive.

The blues aren’t winning a cup in binningtons time left. Why keep him? Nostalgia?

No desperate was your lakehouse buddy giving jack campbell a five year 25 million deal.

desperate is trying to replace a legend like Pietrangelo with 90+ mil on 2 midgets … my man

I was never a fan of the krug signing.. i remember well the debates here - you have to protect Krug over Dunn or no fa will ever sign here again.
Skinner update- 4 goals on 8 shots. He made it to the first intermission!

Well yeah the Oilers have issues. They are nowhere close to the team they were last year….goaltending wouldn’t save this team.

Yes. The amount of new money sunk into their D and they are just horrid. Like us, they have a semi ahl third pairing. Subtracting Mcdavid and Leon(an admittedly big subtract), i would not swipe out the remainder of their lineup with ours at this point. Without RNH they are playing their top two into the ground.

[TheJackBurton]

The comments to the op's links from the oilers fans are kind of funny. Any universe where we trade Binnie and Skinner is part of the return ... I would be done. They are probably getting a more desperate than Leafs fans given the expectations and skinner letting in two of the first five shots he has faced tonite.

Desperate was Krug/faulk/bchnevich. That was desperate and expensive.

The blues aren’t winning a cup in binningtons time left. Why keep him? Nostalgia?

No desperate was your lakehouse buddy giving jack campbell a five year 25 million deal.

desperate is trying to replace a legend like Pietrangelo with 90+ mil on 2 midgets … my man

I was never a fan of the krug signing.. i remember well the debates here - you have to protect Krug over Dunn or no fa will ever sign here again.
Skinner update- 4 goals on 8 shots. He made it to the first intermission!

Well yeah the Oilers have issues. They are nowhere close to the team they were last year….goaltending wouldn’t save this team.

Yes. The amount of new money sunk into their D and they are just horrid. Like us, they have a semi ahl third pairing. Subtracting Mcdavid and Leon(an admittedly big subtract), i would not swipe out the remainder of their lineup with ours at this point. Without RNH they are playing their top two into the ground.

a healthy zach hyman is about it. He has shown that if he plays with top talent he will produce.

[Hazelwood72]

Darren Dreger report. Sounds like we will see some deals soon.

https://x.com/nhl_watcher/status/199342 ... swP-ZGd7DA

So Army has been playing with a baseball bat this whole time. Guy doesn't even know what sport this is.

I thought he was a BBQ chef?

Nah. That’s Joey Vitale.

[theograce]

Yes. The amount of new money sunk into their D and they are just horrid. Like us, they have a semi ahl third pairing. Subtracting Mcdavid and Leon(an admittedly big subtract), i would not swipe out the remainder of their lineup with ours at this point. Without RNH they are playing their top two into the ground.

It’s a lot of things. The last 3 years have taken a lot out of them emotionally/psychologically as well. But yeah they are thinner with not much chemistry right now.

[Bubble4427]

Don’t know what the Oilers can offer for Binner that helps us. RNH but he’s on IR. Partners don’t make sense from out standpoint

2 years ago there were only 4 players on the Oilers that made sense for us.

We got 2 of them already. The other 2 aren't getting traded.

Other than that Edmonton has nothing in its farm system, and nothing of value to us in the NHL.

I don't know if there is a worse trading partner for us out there.

With the Oilers I'd demand 1st round picks because they look like they could tank any season and getting a couple Top 5 picks over multiple years would be nice...and maybe Savoie

They don't have a 1st this year and their minor league system is awful.
Not a good trade partner IMO

[a smell of green grass]

I had forgotten about this Army comment... I'm being a poor sock puppet today.

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/if-we ... ube-firing

So Armstrong thinks that the team (when Berube left) was no better than when he started.

So, do the math, folks!!!!

Has the team gotten even worse since Berube left? The answer is a resounding YES.

FINAL CONCLUSION: The Blues are very clearly in worse shape now than when Army started.

- ASOGG (Army's Sock Puppet)

[crookedfeeder]

I'm watching the TSN telecast of the game and they had Dreger on between periods two and three. funny, but never mentioned anything about the Blues and Armstrong. just a blowhard.