Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
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Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:
1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts
Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:
1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews
GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:
1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts
Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:
1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews
GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!
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mattmitchl44
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Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
Doyle, Mathews, and Clarke could all well be better than Liberatore by 2028 or 2029.
And Liberatore could be better as well.
And Liberatore could be better as well.
Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
Interesting that Libby was still considered the No. 1 in 2027-28. I think in 3 years 2028 Libby will be the No. 3 pitcher on Cardinals staff IMO
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sikeston bulldog2
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Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
Incorrect.Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:
1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts
Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:
1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews
GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!
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ScotchMIrish
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Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
Bloom will add more pitching. If not this is a 100 loss team.Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:
1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts
Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:
1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews
GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!
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mattmitchl44
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Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
I'm pretty sure they care more about it being a 9X win team in 2028, 2029 than an 9X loss team in 2026.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 06:22 amBloom will add more pitching. If not this is a 100 loss team.Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:
1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts
Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:
1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews
GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!
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sikeston bulldog2
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Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
I’m sure a 100 loss season would be gut wrenching. I think the truth we seek is so small; but it’s larger than the coming day. CSN.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 06:26 amI'm pretty sure they care more about it being a 9X win team in 2028, 2029 than an 9X loss team in 2026.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 06:22 amBloom will add more pitching. If not this is a 100 loss team.Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:
1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts
Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:
1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews
GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!
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ScotchMIrish
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Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
Great way to lose the fan base or what's left of it. See Kansas City. They made the playoffs in 2025 and were 25th in attendance.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 06:26 amI'm pretty sure they care more about it being a 9X win team in 2028, 2029 than an 9X loss team in 2026.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 06:22 amBloom will add more pitching. If not this is a 100 loss team.Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:
1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts
Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:
1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews
GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!
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mattmitchl44
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Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
KC squeaked into the playoffs in 2024 as an 86 win team after a decade of not making the playoffs, and then failed to follow up on it in 2025.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 07:03 amGreat way to lose the fan base or what's left of it. See Kansas City. They made the playoffs in 2025 and were 25th in attendance.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 06:26 amI'm pretty sure they care more about it being a 9X win team in 2028, 2029 than an 9X loss team in 2026.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 06:22 amBloom will add more pitching. If not this is a 100 loss team.Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:
1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts
Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:
1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews
GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!
The Cardinals want to be back to being a healthy organization where they can win 90+ games a year on a regular basis (like 2 out of every 3 years or so). Do that, and all worries about attendance will take care of themselves.
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sikeston bulldog2
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Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
Winning cures all that ails.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 07:09 amKC squeaked into the playoffs in 2024 as an 86 win team after a decade of not making the playoffs, and then failed to follow up on it in 2025.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 07:03 amGreat way to lose the fan base or what's left of it. See Kansas City. They made the playoffs in 2025 and were 25th in attendance.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 06:26 amI'm pretty sure they care more about it being a 9X win team in 2028, 2029 than an 9X loss team in 2026.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 06:22 amBloom will add more pitching. If not this is a 100 loss team.Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:
1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts
Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:
1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews
GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!
The Cardinals want to be back to being a healthy organization where they can win 90+ games a year on a regular basis (like 2 out of every 3 years or so). Do that, and all worries about attendance will take care of themselves.
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MrPostman01
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Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
I guess folks with life shortening cynicism will be sad to note the off season is far from even getting started, much less over, and therefore their rantings are quite premature.
Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
Not true. Win and the fans will return. This is StLouis. Not Kansas City.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 07:03 amGreat way to lose the fan base or what's left of it. See Kansas City. They made the playoffs in 2025 and were 25th in attendance.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 06:26 amI'm pretty sure they care more about it being a 9X win team in 2028, 2029 than an 9X loss team in 2026.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 06:22 amBloom will add more pitching. If not this is a 100 loss team.Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:
1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts
Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:
1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews
GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!
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Midrange Jay
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Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
As of today, the club has reduced the payroll to $35 million, with a projected $30-35 million in arbitration salaries. There is enough payroll room to add 2 pitchers and an OF, while staying below last year’s payroll.Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:
1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts
Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:
1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews
GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!
Palante, Fitts and Leahy are fine for 5th starter/ bullpen.
Last edited by Midrange Jay on 26 Nov 2025 07:30 am, edited 1 time in total.
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BrockFloodMaris
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Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
Because everyone knows that the roster you've got at Thanksgiving is the roster you have to use all season.Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:
1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts
Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:
1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews
GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!
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Midrange Jay
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Re: Liberatore is now the Cardinals Ace--LOL--That Arozarena trade really paying dividends
Why is this reduced to a binary choice? There are 2 players left under contract, representing $35 million in payroll. There is financial room to add MLB ready talent and grow the minor league system.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 06:26 amI'm pretty sure they care more about it being a 9X win team in 2028, 2029 than an 9X loss team in 2026.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 06:22 amBloom will add more pitching. If not this is a 100 loss team.Bully4you wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 04:54 am I saw somewhere where he's our new ace.
Mo got himself an ace in the Arozarena trade.
We just never knew it.
The rotation now features the following:
1. Liberatore
2. McGreevy
3. Pallante
4. Leahy
5. Fitts
Look on the bright side....
In 2027-2028 we might have:
1. Liberatore the ace
2. Doyle
3. Clarke
4. McGreevy
5. Matthews
GO CRAZY FOLKS!!! LOL!!!!!!!
Last edited by Midrange Jay on 26 Nov 2025 07:39 am, edited 1 time in total.