JJ to third. Toughest position to fill.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good morning.

This is a JJ to third thread. I’m having a Shady moment.

19. There are nineteen third baseman inducted into to HOF. That’s the fewest number by position. They are rare.

There are more managers and owner/sponsors in than third baseman.

I look at some of our history- Shannon Reitz, Pendleton, Freese Nado Boyer and see steady players. No hall guys. Boyer should be in.

So it seems fielding a third baseman of high caliber is very tough. Almost non existent. Why then would you not try it if you have a chance. We have that chance.


JJ. Once Donovan is traded, we need a good second baseman. Saggese? Gomber? Neither does much to assist a GG caliber infield. So it’s JJ at second. But.

An internal move of this nature is as bold and effective as a savvy trade. Just think of the possibilities- an AS third baseman who hits like George Brett. There hasn’t been a Brett since George. It’s time.

Then we field a second baseman. Bold. This is a greät opportunity to take a huge step forward.

Finally. Yeah! Would you rather have a stud second baseman or third baseman. And. Which one is more valuable to the infield, the pitchers, the team.

It’s early. Coffee is hot, buzz is waning. Still dark. Any ideas here.

why do you get up so early?

Go to bed early around dark. Then get up to pee around 4-5 am, mess with a cat, and then I’m up. Nice catch.

[dugoutrex]

I like to blaze in the evening and get up around 9

[NYCardsFan]

Gorman and Winn have by far the strongest arms.
They will be on the left side.
Wetherholt will play 2B.
Worth noting, is his MILB career, Wetherholt has started at SS 85 times, 20 times at 2B, and just 12 at 3B.
Roughly 90% of his starts have been as a middle infielder.
That tells you exactly how STL views him.

I hear ya. But not the point. The intent is- what if he did okay and produced at third. Where would the team now be in the rebuild.

We know he plays second. And Gorman to third is far less optimistic.

Wouldn’t NG make a great DH. Or first baseman.

Gorman was actually better than N/A last year at fielding balls hit on the ground and at turning DP's (check out the data).
His only issue was throwing to 1B, all virtually all of that took place in the first 2 weeks of shifting to 3B.
After that, he was fine.
He is not a GG defender, but he is more than good enough to play 3b.
The team needs Burleson, Gorman, and Wetherholt to carry the LH production in 2026 if Bloom makes the mistake of trading Donovan this off-season.
Which means Gorman must play 3b and Wetherholt must play 2B.
There really is no other current option.

I will believe your data. But man that’s hard to believe. If they keep Donovan as you alluded to, where does he play. On my team I’d go Willy/Gorman at first, Donovan at second Winn at SS JJ at third. Best offensive and defensive infield in baseball.

Player/Innings/DRS/OAA/FRV
Arenado: 880.2/+6/+3/+2
Gorman: 410.1/-3/-9/-6

[renostl]

Gorman and Winn have by far the strongest arms.
They will be on the left side.
Wetherholt will play 2B.
Worth noting, is his MILB career, Wetherholt has started at SS 85 times, 20 times at 2B, and just 12 at 3B.
Roughly 90% of his starts have been as a middle infielder.
That tells you exactly how STL views him.

I hear ya. But not the point. The intent is- what if he did okay and produced at third. Where would the team now be in the rebuild.

We know he plays second. And Gorman to third is far less optimistic.

Wouldn’t NG make a great DH. Or first baseman.

Gorman was actually better than N/A last year at fielding balls hit on the ground and at turning DP's (check out the data).
His only issue was throwing to 1B, all virtually all of that took place in the first 2 weeks of shifting to 3B.
After that, he was fine.
He is not a GG defender, but he is more than good enough to play 3b.
The team needs Burleson, Gorman, and Wetherholt to carry the LH production in 2026 if Bloom makes the mistake of trading Donovan this off-season.
Which means Gorman must play 3b and Wetherholt must play 2B.
There really is no other current option.

I will believe your data. But man that’s hard to believe. If they keep Donovan as you alluded to, where does he play. On my team I’d go Willy/Gorman at first, Donovan at second Winn at SS JJ at third. Best offensive and defensive infield in baseball.

Player/Innings/DRS/OAA/FRV
Arenado: 880.2/+6/+3/+2
Gorman: 410.1/-3/-9/-6

Exactly
I stated similar a few posts back.

Gorman will need to do something that he hasn't done yet and
that is out hit his flaws on D or eliminate those flaws.

[DwaininAztec]

After seeing Gorman at 3B last year, he is not going to cut it there. He is more likely to end up at 1B or DH. JJ to 3B might just be the thing. Having a 3B with 15-25 HRs and around a .300 average might be nice. The Cardinals have more than one good looking middle infielder. Fermin has looked good of late, then there is Saggese or Torres. Of course Saggese just might put up similar numbers to JJ at 3B or 2B.

[sikeston bulldog2]

I like to blaze in the evening and get up around 9

Nice. Does wonders for sleep. Your young. Sleeping late is a thing. When you get old once you wake up once, your up. Like now.

[sikeston bulldog2]

After seeing Gorman at 3B last year, he is not going to cut it there. He is more likely to end up at 1B or DH. JJ to 3B might just be the thing. Having a 3B with 15-25 HRs and around a .300 average might be nice. The Cardinals have more than one good looking middle infielder. Fermin has looked good of late, then there is Saggese or Torres. Of course Saggese just might put up similar numbers to JJ at 3B or 2B.

This is exactly my point on Gorman. After seeing him at third- no way. I can’t understand others thinking he is a solution to a fledgling team.

[dugoutrex]

I like to blaze in the evening and get up around 9

Nice. Does wonders for sleep. Your young. Sleeping late is a thing. When you get old once you wake up once, your up. Like now.

I retired 5 years ago but I am still a relatively young 58

[sikeston bulldog2]

I like to blaze in the evening and get up around 9

Nice. Does wonders for sleep. Your young. Sleeping late is a thing. When you get old once you wake up once, your up. Like now.

I retired 5 years ago but I am still a relatively young 58

Aaah almost 60. Seems you are about well. How do you like retirement? Have you learned to let it just come to ya.

[dugoutrex]

I like to blaze in the evening and get up around 9

Nice. Does wonders for sleep. Your young. Sleeping late is a thing. When you get old once you wake up once, your up. Like now.

I retired 5 years ago but I am still a relatively young 58

Aaah almost 60. Seems you are about well. How do you like retirement? Have you learned to let it just come to ya.

loving every minute of it - just got back from the trip of a lifetime in Cairo, Egypt!

[jusdayzed]

Sorry to bring back this tread, but I just caught up to it and it's intreaging. My question:

Why not Winn, the cannon, at third and JJ to SS? The secret is holding on to Donovan. Right now the best hitter on the team.

Happy Thanksgiving crads talkers!