Holloway

[StLouis-4Life2]

What type of bridge deal do you think he gets? Last year I think we were expecting a long term contract but he clearly is still coming back from injury but shows flashes of his ability from last year. I don't think you can justify the numbers he would want for a long term deal and I think he would prefer a bridge and bet on himself to maximize the next contract...2yr 10 or 11?

[theograce]

He’s making a lot more than 5 mil a year my guy

[StLouis-4Life2]

Not sure about that, he's only pace to be about a 36 pt player this year... that's third line 5-6 million tops. That's why I think he does a bridge deal, based off last year he has 70pt potential(63 last year with limited time at the beginning of the year) which would be that 7-8 million range but 36pts this year is really going to drop the price tag on a bridge deal. If you meant he is making more this year that isn't correct, he is only making 2.3 a year

[theograce]

Not sure about that, he's only pace to be about a 36 pt player this year... that's third line 5-6 million tops. That's why I think he does a bridge deal, based off last year he has 70pt potential(63 last year with limited time at the beginning of the year) which would be that 7-8 million range but 36pts this year is really going to drop the price tag on a bridge deal. If you meant he is making more this year that isn't correct, he is only making 2.3 a year

What’s Broberg pacing for? What was he pacing for when Armstrong gave him 5 per?

[StLouis-4Life2]

Well Broberg is currently making 4.6...expecting a long term contract for him somewhere around 7.8 a year. His agent will be pushing for 8.5 but the others who got 8.5 also play on the power play. Could see us doing 8x8 or 8.2x8 though if he keeps his icetime the same as his most recent 10 games

[theograce]

Well Broberg is currently making 4.6...expecting a long term contract for him somewhere around 7.8 a year. His agent will be pushing for 8.5 but the others who got 8.5 also play on the power play

You didn’t answer the questions. Why?

[StLouis-4Life2]

Well I answered what he is pacing for now. The other question was flawed since he has never made 5 million. That being said he was pacing for 2-3 million when army bet on him to develop into a top 4 defenseman...which was clearly a good move

[theograce]

Well I answered what he is pacing for now. The other question was flawed since he has never made 5 million. That being said he was pacing for 2-3 million when army bet on him to develop into a top 4 defenseman...which was clearly a good move

No you didn’t answer. Go back and look. Your entire premise is off. You look at merely points for Holloway in a down year and don’t consider anything else.

Broberg is pacing for under 20 something points with big minutes. We should offer him a bridge for 5 per?

[StLouis-4Life2]

Well, the key factor for salary with forwards is pts and the key factor for defenseman is ice time (27:58 today). There is definitely other factors for both but they only move the salary so much. Have to remember most 34-36 pt forwards are only getting paid around 3.5, so I feel that 5.5-6 million is accounting for some of those factors. Don't get me wrong, I like Holloway and expect him to bounce back to 60-70 pts next year but there hasn't been a track record yet. That's why I think the bridge deal is inevetiable

[theograce]

Well, the key factor for salary with forwards is pts and the key factor for defenseman is ice time (27:58 today). There is definitely other factors for both but they only move the salary so much. Have to remember most 34-36 pt forwards are only getting paid around 3.5, so I feel that 5.5-6 million is accounting for some of those factors. Don't get me wrong, I like Holloway and expect him to bounce back to 60-70 pts next year but there hasn't been a track record yet. That's why I think the bridge deal is inevetiable

There are many key factors man. Why did Broberg get 5 million (massive raise) averaging 11 minutes?

[StLouis-4Life2]

Well, the key factor for salary with forwards is pts and the key factor for defenseman is ice time (27:58 today). There is definitely other factors for both but they only move the salary so much. Have to remember most 34-36 pt forwards are only getting paid around 3.5, so I feel that 5.5-6 million is accounting for some of those factors. Don't get me wrong, I like Holloway and expect him to bounce back to 60-70 pts next year but there hasn't been a track record yet. That's why I think the bridge deal is inevetiable

There are many key factors man. Why did Broberg get 5 million (massive raise) averaging 11 minutes?

Once again he didn't. He is earning 4.58, can even say 4.6 if you want but not 5. Second, it was clear Edmonton was sand bagging him for the next contract like the cardinals have done to keep certain players affordable. He was going to sign with anyone who was going to pay him anything because he knew that was happening. He was clearly a casualty of personal management

[theograce]

Well, the key factor for salary with forwards is pts and the key factor for defenseman is ice time (27:58 today). There is definitely other factors for both but they only move the salary so much. Have to remember most 34-36 pt forwards are only getting paid around 3.5, so I feel that 5.5-6 million is accounting for some of those factors. Don't get me wrong, I like Holloway and expect him to bounce back to 60-70 pts next year but there hasn't been a track record yet. That's why I think the bridge deal is inevetiable

There are many key factors man. Why did Broberg get 5 million (massive raise) averaging 11 minutes?

Once again he didn't. He is earning 4.58, can even say 4.6 if you want but not 5. Second, it was clear Edmonton was sand bagging him for the next contract like the cardinals have done to keep certain players affordable. He was going to sign with anyone who was going to pay him anything because he knew that was happening. He was clearly a casualty of personal management

Sand bagging lol. Armstrong was lying when he said he overpaid? You’re all over the place.

[HighStick]

If Holloway stays off his game all season long that could save the Blues millions no matter what deal he signs. If he was gonna have an off year this is the best time to do it. He's good tho..... He's just a victim of this heartless core right now. Hés gonna get paid.

[callitwhatyouwant]

Hollywood if even close to last year was staring at a 8x10 contract. Because he's not producing like he should, its probably goign to be a bridge that settles in around 6.5-7m. If he wants to go long, I think the Blues like him but I severely doubt in his current form they let him get past 8 but I could see them goign 8x8. That's not maximum dollar amount for Hollywood, but he doesn't control his deal the next time around. The Blues don't have to rush because without the production, his RFA status allows him to be easily resignable. It's the same thing for Broberg.

Difference between Broberg and Hollywood is that Broberg's agent can attempt to push other metrics that aren't goal related since he has the excuse of not being on the PP and logging big minutes. Hollywood has to figure out how to get the stats rolling. Either way, They both look like they aren't the 10m players the board was anointing them in august. I really like both of them and hope we wrap them up long term, but to say it's not a risk to do so is being naive for sure. You don't know what these guys are until the pressure is on.

Hollywood and Broberg get the Kyrou and Thomas treatment for me. If you want the bag, you need to prove you can carry the team. Kyrou and Thomas have been suspect as heck at that role. And broberg and Hollywood are both giving me the same vibe.

[StLouis-4Life2]

Well, the key factor for salary with forwards is pts and the key factor for defenseman is ice time (27:58 today). There is definitely other factors for both but they only move the salary so much. Have to remember most 34-36 pt forwards are only getting paid around 3.5, so I feel that 5.5-6 million is accounting for some of those factors. Don't get me wrong, I like Holloway and expect him to bounce back to 60-70 pts next year but there hasn't been a track record yet. That's why I think the bridge deal is inevetiable

There are many key factors man. Why did Broberg get 5 million (massive raise) averaging 11 minutes?

Once again he didn't. He is earning 4.58, can even say 4.6 if you want but not 5. Second, it was clear Edmonton was sand bagging him for the next contract like the cardinals have done to keep certain players affordable. He was going to sign with anyone who was going to pay him anything because he knew that was happening. He was clearly a casualty of personal management

Sand bagging lol. Armstrong was lying when he said he overpaid? You’re all over the place.

Not all over the place at all. Yes, Armstrong overpaid based off the production both had but that was because he was betting on their talent and based off the playoffs he thought Edmonton was sand bagging Broberg. Why do you think they were so (upset) when we signed him? Screwed up their whole plan for roster management. I have to admit I'm not even sure what your arguing. Do you think he is going to get 6.5? Unless he catches fire and gets back up to 55-65 pts this year the long term 8x8 isn't happening. So what do you think he is going to get?

[theograce]

Well, the key factor for salary with forwards is pts and the key factor for defenseman is ice time (27:58 today). There is definitely other factors for both but they only move the salary so much. Have to remember most 34-36 pt forwards are only getting paid around 3.5, so I feel that 5.5-6 million is accounting for some of those factors. Don't get me wrong, I like Holloway and expect him to bounce back to 60-70 pts next year but there hasn't been a track record yet. That's why I think the bridge deal is inevetiable

There are many key factors man. Why did Broberg get 5 million (massive raise) averaging 11 minutes?

Once again he didn't. He is earning 4.58, can even say 4.6 if you want but not 5. Second, it was clear Edmonton was sand bagging him for the next contract like the cardinals have done to keep certain players affordable. He was going to sign with anyone who was going to pay him anything because he knew that was happening. He was clearly a casualty of personal management

Sand bagging lol. Armstrong was lying when he said he overpaid? You’re all over the place.

Not all over the place at all. Yes, Armstrong overpaid based off the production both had but that was because he was betting on their talent and based off the playoffs he thought Edmonton was sand bagging Broberg. Why do you think they were so (upset) when we signed him? Screwed up their whole plan for roster management. I have to admit I'm not even sure what your arguing. Do you think he is going to get 6.5? Unless he catches fire and gets back up to 55-65 pts this year the long term 8x8 isn't happening. So what do you think he is going to get?

Catches fire? He’s up there with team leaders for goals. Have you looked at their stats? He plays more than Schenn and hits as much.

Ice time + production matters for Holloway but not Broberg is what you argued. It’s funny