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Re: Is Broberg a player you build around?

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theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:13 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 14:53 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 14:50 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 13:13 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 13:04 pm This whole premise seems pretty stupid to me. If you have an opportunity to sign a good, youngish defenseman to a reasonable contract with term then you should do it. He’s young enough that a long term deal will only take him into his early 30’s so what’s the issue here?
Making him earn what he’s asking for. It’s not a tough concept
I understand what you’re saying. I just think it’s dumb. Signing him long term now is probably in the blues interest with the cap sharply rising over the next few years.
I mean it’s easy to say probably when it’s not your 60 million. I agree you should lock up talent, but this guy hasn’t proven it to me. Armstrong already overpaid him to get him here
Army absolutely did not overpay him to get him here. Broberg is worth every penny of his current deal
Of course he did. He didn’t earn that 10 mil. You can say he has after the fact…but at the time he didn’t.
Thats just called being a good GM, at least as far as this offer sheet was concerned. It’s really bizarre to try and frame an intelligent move that’s working out in a negative light.
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The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 13:04 pm This whole premise seems pretty stupid to me. If you have an opportunity to sign a good, youngish defenseman to a reasonable contract with term then you should do it. He’s young enough that a long term deal will only take him into his early 30’s so what’s the issue here?

There is no issue.

You have to consider the source and then it makes sense.
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Re: Is Broberg a player you build around?

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The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:22 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:13 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 14:53 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 14:50 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 13:13 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 13:04 pm This whole premise seems pretty stupid to me. If you have an opportunity to sign a good, youngish defenseman to a reasonable contract with term then you should do it. He’s young enough that a long term deal will only take him into his early 30’s so what’s the issue here?
Making him earn what he’s asking for. It’s not a tough concept
I understand what you’re saying. I just think it’s dumb. Signing him long term now is probably in the blues interest with the cap sharply rising over the next few years.
I mean it’s easy to say probably when it’s not your 60 million. I agree you should lock up talent, but this guy hasn’t proven it to me. Armstrong already overpaid him to get him here
Army absolutely did not overpay him to get him here. Broberg is worth every penny of his current deal
Of course he did. He didn’t earn that 10 mil. You can say he has after the fact…but at the time he didn’t.
Thats just called being a good GM, at least as far as this offer sheet was concerned. It’s really bizarre to try and frame an intelligent move that’s working out in a negative light.
That just shows you how hard he's trying to troll.. GMs get into trouble when they pay players for things they "earned" during their previous contracts and not paying for the production they feel will come on their current deal.

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Re: Is Broberg a player you build around?

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The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:22 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:13 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 14:53 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 14:50 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 13:13 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 13:04 pm This whole premise seems pretty stupid to me. If you have an opportunity to sign a good, youngish defenseman to a reasonable contract with term then you should do it. He’s young enough that a long term deal will only take him into his early 30’s so what’s the issue here?
Making him earn what he’s asking for. It’s not a tough concept
I understand what you’re saying. I just think it’s dumb. Signing him long term now is probably in the blues interest with the cap sharply rising over the next few years.
I mean it’s easy to say probably when it’s not your 60 million. I agree you should lock up talent, but this guy hasn’t proven it to me. Armstrong already overpaid him to get him here
Army absolutely did not overpay him to get him here. Broberg is worth every penny of his current deal
Of course he did. He didn’t earn that 10 mil. You can say he has after the fact…but at the time he didn’t.
Thats just called being a good GM, at least as far as this offer sheet was concerned. It’s really bizarre to try and frame an intelligent move that’s working out in a negative light.
Whereas Kyrou, buchnevich, and krug’s were being a good GM?

Broberg didn’t earn that contract at the time. That’s a fact
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theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:34 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:22 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:13 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 14:53 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 14:50 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 13:13 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 13:04 pm This whole premise seems pretty stupid to me. If you have an opportunity to sign a good, youngish defenseman to a reasonable contract with term then you should do it. He’s young enough that a long term deal will only take him into his early 30’s so what’s the issue here?
Making him earn what he’s asking for. It’s not a tough concept
I understand what you’re saying. I just think it’s dumb. Signing him long term now is probably in the blues interest with the cap sharply rising over the next few years.
I mean it’s easy to say probably when it’s not your 60 million. I agree you should lock up talent, but this guy hasn’t proven it to me. Armstrong already overpaid him to get him here
Army absolutely did not overpay him to get him here. Broberg is worth every penny of his current deal
Of course he did. He didn’t earn that 10 mil. You can say he has after the fact…but at the time he didn’t.
Thats just called being a good GM, at least as far as this offer sheet was concerned. It’s really bizarre to try and frame an intelligent move that’s working out in a negative light.
Whereas Kyrou, buchnevich, and krug’s were being a good GM?

Broberg didn’t earn that contract at the time. That’s a fact
Absolutely absurd. Everyone knows how this worked, part of the price the Blues paid was effectively "acquisition cost", amount driven by the offer sheet rules. Another aspect is ALL players "earn" what they are paid in some context. Players who haven't played a minute of pro hockey get entry level contracts, etc etc. They all do SOMETHING in someone's eyes to earn their contracts. Once they sign a contract there can be discussion of whether a player is living up to it, but at the time it was signed it was earned in someone's view.
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DawgDad wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:46 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:34 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:22 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:13 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 14:53 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 14:50 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 13:13 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 13:04 pm This whole premise seems pretty stupid to me. If you have an opportunity to sign a good, youngish defenseman to a reasonable contract with term then you should do it. He’s young enough that a long term deal will only take him into his early 30’s so what’s the issue here?
Making him earn what he’s asking for. It’s not a tough concept
I understand what you’re saying. I just think it’s dumb. Signing him long term now is probably in the blues interest with the cap sharply rising over the next few years.
I mean it’s easy to say probably when it’s not your 60 million. I agree you should lock up talent, but this guy hasn’t proven it to me. Armstrong already overpaid him to get him here
Army absolutely did not overpay him to get him here. Broberg is worth every penny of his current deal
Of course he did. He didn’t earn that 10 mil. You can say he has after the fact…but at the time he didn’t.
Thats just called being a good GM, at least as far as this offer sheet was concerned. It’s really bizarre to try and frame an intelligent move that’s working out in a negative light.
Whereas Kyrou, buchnevich, and krug’s were being a good GM?

Broberg didn’t earn that contract at the time. That’s a fact
Absolutely absurd. Everyone knows how this worked, part of the price the Blues paid was effectively "acquisition cost", amount driven by the offer shhet rules. Another aspect is ALL players "earn" what they are paid in some context. Players who haven't played a minute of pro hockey get entry level contracts, etc etc. They all do SOMETHING in someone's eyes to earn their contracts. Once they sign a contract there can be discussion of whether a player is living up to it, but at the time it was signed it was earned in someone's view.
That’s a lot of words. He didn’t earn the contract. Dude was playing 11 mins with 13 points in like 80 games.

But this about whether you pay him what much better players on other teams are making for a very long time
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theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:49 pm
DawgDad wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:46 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:34 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:22 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:13 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 14:53 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 14:50 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 13:13 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 13:04 pm This whole premise seems pretty stupid to me. If you have an opportunity to sign a good, youngish defenseman to a reasonable contract with term then you should do it. He’s young enough that a long term deal will only take him into his early 30’s so what’s the issue here?
Making him earn what he’s asking for. It’s not a tough concept
I understand what you’re saying. I just think it’s dumb. Signing him long term now is probably in the blues interest with the cap sharply rising over the next few years.
I mean it’s easy to say probably when it’s not your 60 million. I agree you should lock up talent, but this guy hasn’t proven it to me. Armstrong already overpaid him to get him here
Army absolutely did not overpay him to get him here. Broberg is worth every penny of his current deal
Of course he did. He didn’t earn that 10 mil. You can say he has after the fact…but at the time he didn’t.
Thats just called being a good GM, at least as far as this offer sheet was concerned. It’s really bizarre to try and frame an intelligent move that’s working out in a negative light.
Whereas Kyrou, buchnevich, and krug’s were being a good GM?

Broberg didn’t earn that contract at the time. That’s a fact
Absolutely absurd. Everyone knows how this worked, part of the price the Blues paid was effectively "acquisition cost", amount driven by the offer shhet rules. Another aspect is ALL players "earn" what they are paid in some context. Players who haven't played a minute of pro hockey get entry level contracts, etc etc. They all do SOMETHING in someone's eyes to earn their contracts. Once they sign a contract there can be discussion of whether a player is living up to it, but at the time it was signed it was earned in someone's view.
That’s a lot of words. He didn’t earn the contract. Dude was playing 11 mins with 13 points in like 80 games.

But this about whether you pay him what much better players on other teams are making for a very long time
That's a lot of irrelevance. The Blues wanted him, they knew what it would cost to get him. Broberg ABSOLUTELY earned the opportunity or the Blues wouldn't have bothered.
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DawgDad wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:56 pm That's a lot of irrelevance. The Blues wanted him, they knew what it would cost to get him. Broberg ABSOLUTELY earned the opportunity or the Blues wouldn't have bothered.
And they overpaid. It’s irrelevant to you because you can’t refute it lol
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theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:00 pm
DawgDad wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:56 pm That's a lot of irrelevance. The Blues wanted him, they knew what it would cost to get him. Broberg ABSOLUTELY earned the opportunity or the Blues wouldn't have bothered.
And they overpaid. It’s irrelevant to you because you can’t refute it lol
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theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:00 pm
DawgDad wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:56 pm That's a lot of irrelevance. The Blues wanted him, they knew what it would cost to get him. Broberg ABSOLUTELY earned the opportunity or the Blues wouldn't have bothered.
And they overpaid. It’s irrelevant to you because you can’t refute it lol
I DO refute it, or can't you read? You're trying to run a narrative that is baseless and absurd. I've made myself very clear.
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DawgDad wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:06 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:00 pm
DawgDad wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:56 pm That's a lot of irrelevance. The Blues wanted him, they knew what it would cost to get him. Broberg ABSOLUTELY earned the opportunity or the Blues wouldn't have bothered.
And they overpaid. It’s irrelevant to you because you can’t refute it lol
I DO refute it, or can't you read? You're trying to run a narrative that is baseless and absurd. I've made myself very clear.
With what? 11 mins 2 goals 13 points over 80 games

Laughing. Overpaid … acceptance is hard for you
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theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:07 pm
DawgDad wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:06 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:00 pm
DawgDad wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:56 pm That's a lot of irrelevance. The Blues wanted him, they knew what it would cost to get him. Broberg ABSOLUTELY earned the opportunity or the Blues wouldn't have bothered.
And they overpaid. It’s irrelevant to you because you can’t refute it lol
I DO refute it, or can't you read? You're trying to run a narrative that is baseless and absurd. I've made myself very clear.
With what? 11 mins 2 goals 13 points over 80 games

Laughing. Overpaid … acceptance is hard for you
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theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:00 pm
DawgDad wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:56 pm That's a lot of irrelevance. The Blues wanted him, they knew what it would cost to get him. Broberg ABSOLUTELY earned the opportunity or the Blues wouldn't have bothered.
And they overpaid. It’s irrelevant to you because you can’t refute it lol
I’ve already refuted it. When you sign a player to a contract you’re making a bet about their future performance. Army knocked this deal out of the park. The end.
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The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:09 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:00 pm
DawgDad wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:56 pm That's a lot of irrelevance. The Blues wanted him, they knew what it would cost to get him. Broberg ABSOLUTELY earned the opportunity or the Blues wouldn't have bothered.
And they overpaid. It’s irrelevant to you because you can’t refute it lol
I’ve already refuted it. When you sign a player to a contract you’re making a bet about their future performance. Army knocked this deal out of the park. The end.
He overpaid and admitted he did publicly. You should email him and tell him he didn’t lol
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theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:11 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:09 pm
theograce wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:00 pm
DawgDad wrote: 22 Nov 2025 15:56 pm That's a lot of irrelevance. The Blues wanted him, they knew what it would cost to get him. Broberg ABSOLUTELY earned the opportunity or the Blues wouldn't have bothered.
And they overpaid. It’s irrelevant to you because you can’t refute it lol
I’ve already refuted it. When you sign a player to a contract you’re making a bet about their future performance. Army knocked this deal out of the park. The end.
He overpaid and admitted he did publicly. You should email him and tell him he didn’t lol
Once again, an nhl contract is not a reward for past performance. It’s projection of future performance. Just take the L bro. This is embarrassing.
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The Average Gatsby wrote: 22 Nov 2025 16:41 pm Once again, an nhl contract is not a reward for past performance. It’s projection of future performance. Just take the L bro. This is embarrassing.
Past performance and proving yourself isn’t part of a contract? What planet do you come from?

Armstrong publicly said he overpaid…cuz he did. Go argue with him guy

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