Parameters in a return for Donovan

[82birds]

Either a SP or a high-level position prospect. MLB ready by 2027. That is if the return isn't a current legit MLB player. No Mozeliak specials of minor leaguers with injury history. The days of low-hanging fruit and hoping for the best should be over.

amen to that Bro'

[Shady]

Would Bloom accept this kind of package for Donovan? A young pitcher comparable to Liberatore or McGreevy (MLB ready), plus a young RH hitting outfielder comparable to Walker. Walker having enormous untapped potential. The outfielder may only have been at AAA last season.

[NYCardsFan]

Would Bloom accept this kind of package for Donovan? A young pitcher comparable to Liberatore or McGreevy (MLB ready), plus a young RH hitting outfielder comparable to Walker. Walker having enormous untapped potential. The outfielder may only have been at AAA last season.

I would hope he’s looking for more value and upside than that given a potentially very competitive auction.

Donovan (32.1)

McGreevy (20.4) or Liberatore (12)
Plus: Walker (5.4)
Total: 17.4 - 25.8

Once again: They’re not trying to compete next year.
They are more likely to get higher-ceiling prospects if they aim for guys 1-2 years away rather than players who have already graduated (or are about to graduate).

[Shady]

Would Bloom accept this kind of package for Donovan? A young pitcher comparable to Liberatore or McGreevy (MLB ready), plus a young RH hitting outfielder comparable to Walker. Walker having enormous untapped potential. The outfielder may only have been at AAA last season.

I would hope he’s looking for more value and upside than that given a potentially very competitive auction.

Donovan (32.1)

McGreevy (20.4) or Liberatore (12)
Plus: Walker (5.4)
Total: 17.4 - 25.8

Once again: They’re not trying to compete next year.
They are more likely to get higher-ceiling prospects if they aim for guys 1-2 years away rather than players who have already graduated (or are about to graduate).

That's informative. Thanks.

[Red7]

You’re looking at a similar return for Donovan that you got for Helsley: A 2nd tier prospect. A 3rd tier prospect. A lottery ticket. He’s got no outstanding qualities: he doesn’t hit .300, has little power, and his OBP has suffered in his quest for more power. His arm is average or below for an outfielder and has average speed. He plays hard and is a ball player as opposed to a guy who plays ball. He more or less fits the role of scrappy white guy so popular in STL.

[Hoosier59]

As you all are well aware, I’m against trading Donovan AT ALL, but….i will say, it would seem, that the return for him is looking like a lot more than I anticipated. No deal has been done yet, but if Bloom messes this up, then I will have lost all confidence in him!
He has the luxury of looking at multiple options and a slew of players to pick from. He doesn’t have to settle for anything.
Also, IF, he were to add, say a prospect or two that the Cardinals didn’t protect from the rule 5 draft, say Hansen, or a Blazers Jordan, would that bring back an even better return? There’s no doubt, Bloom has to nail this one. All of Cardinals’ Nation is watching!

To be clear, I still don’t want to trade Donnie! HaHa!

Really you'd lose all confidence over one deal? Possibly his first Cardinal deal? Tough to be perfect

So, you’re saying you won’t? With there being so many teams in on Donovan, you don’t expect Bloom to try and get the best deal possible?
And if he doesn’t you won’t be disappointed? Ok……

[ICCFIM2]

You’re looking at a similar return for Donovan that you got for Helsley: A 2nd tier prospect. A 3rd tier prospect. A lottery ticket. He’s got no outstanding qualities: he doesn’t hit .300, has little power, and his OBP has suffered in his quest for more power. His arm is average or below for an outfielder and has average speed. He plays hard and is a ball player as opposed to a guy who plays ball. He more or less fits the role of scrappy white guy so popular in STL.

You have said that on several threads now. Baseball Trade Value has him at $33M trade value. That is bringing back a lot more than what you suggest. For example, Liam Doyle is at $29M on Baseball Trade Value. The Baseball Trade Value website has been very accurate over the years.

[mattmitchl44]

You’re looking at a similar return for Donovan that you got for Helsley: A 2nd tier prospect. A 3rd tier prospect. A lottery ticket. He’s got no outstanding qualities: he doesn’t hit .300, has little power, and his OBP has suffered in his quest for more power. His arm is average or below for an outfielder and has average speed. He plays hard and is a ball player as opposed to a guy who plays ball. He more or less fits the role of scrappy white guy so popular in STL.

You have said that on several threads now. Baseball Trade Value has him at $33M trade value. That is bringing back a lot more than what you suggest. For example, Liam Doyle is at $29M on Baseball Trade Value. The Baseball Trade Value website has been very accurate over the years.

Another "Liam Doyle" is exactly the kind of (near) ML-ready, high ceiling prospect that the Cardinals should be seeking in any Donovan trade.

More than anything their system needs more high ceiling prospects - guys who well could be All-Stars in a few years. Donovan is probably their only tradable asset which could bring back such a prospect. I don't think they can get one for Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. For those guys, they'll probably get more high floor/low ceiling prospects.

[ScotchMIrish]

Hopefully, Bloom will come away with at least one All Star caliber player and another that could develop into one. Preferably, one is as starting pitcher and the other is a slugger.

He should get a legit MLB player. Unlikely he gets both a high level player and a high level prospect.

[reson8]

Bloom has the luxury of trading BD but not having to do it right now if the return isn't what he wants. 2026 TD will offer another chance as will next offseason. True, the more time before FA the more valuable the player can be, but someone desperate to make some noise next year might do some thing at the TD they might not do otherwise. I'd advocate for a TOR pitcher. A prospect that might spend all or most of 2026 at Memphis and be ready after that. Along with Doyle/Libatore/McGreevy/Mathews (and Hence/Roby/Hjerpe if any of them can ever stay healthy) You can least solve one part of your rebuild and use the draft to grab another couple of bats.

[casey1024]

As you all are well aware, I’m against trading Donovan AT ALL, but….i will say, it would seem, that the return for him is looking like a lot more than I anticipated. No deal has been done yet, but if Bloom messes this up, then I will have lost all confidence in him!
He has the luxury of looking at multiple options and a slew of players to pick from. He doesn’t have to settle for anything.
Also, IF, he were to add, say a prospect or two that the Cardinals didn’t protect from the rule 5 draft, say Hansen, or a Blazers Jordan, would that bring back an even better return? There’s no doubt, Bloom has to nail this one. All of Cardinals’ Nation is watching!

To be clear, I still don’t want to trade Donnie! HaHa!

100%!

[casey1024]

You’re looking at a similar return for Donovan that you got for Helsley: A 2nd tier prospect. A 3rd tier prospect. A lottery ticket. He’s got no outstanding qualities: he doesn’t hit .300, has little power, and his OBP has suffered in his quest for more power. His arm is average or below for an outfielder and has average speed. He plays hard and is a ball player as opposed to a guy who plays ball. He more or less fits the role of scrappy white guy so popular in STL.

[rockondlouie]

At least one current major league starting pitcher under age 26 w/multiple years (at least three) of control left and upside + one position player minor league prospect.

[JuanAgosto]

Either a SP or a high-level position prospect. MLB ready by 2027. That is if the return isn't a current legit MLB player. No Mozeliak specials of minor leaguers with injury history. The days of low-hanging fruit and hoping for the best should be over.

amen to that Bro'

Hopefully the DeWitts give Bloom a fair chance to build something. No penny pinching [nonsense].

[scoutyjones2]

Hopefully, Bloom will come away with at least one All Star caliber player and another that could develop into one. Preferably, one is as starting pitcher and the other is a slugger.

Why would a team give an all star player and another projected one for Hurdy Gurdy?

[HorseTrader]

As you all are well aware, I’m against trading Donovan AT ALL, but….i will say, it would seem, that the return for him is looking like a lot more than I anticipated. No deal has been done yet, but if Bloom messes this up, then I will have lost all confidence in him!
He has the luxury of looking at multiple options and a slew of players to pick from. He doesn’t have to settle for anything.
Also, IF, he were to add, say a prospect or two that the Cardinals didn’t protect from the rule 5 draft, say Hansen, or a Blazers Jordan, would that bring back an even better return? There’s no doubt, Bloom has to nail this one. All of Cardinals’ Nation is watching!

To be clear, I still don’t want to trade Donnie! HaHa!

Really you'd lose all confidence over one deal? Possibly his first Cardinal deal? Tough to be perfect

So, you’re saying you won’t? With there being so many teams in on Donovan, you don’t expect Bloom to try and get the best deal possible?
And if he doesn’t you won’t be disappointed? Ok……

" you don’t expect Bloom to try and get the best deal " That's not exactly what you said in your first post. You said "f Bloom messes this up, then I will have lost all confidence in him!" Sure I expect him to TRY to get the best deal but if the deal fails, that doesn't automatically mean Blook failed or that I'll lose ALL (key word) confidence in him. One deal doesn't make a career, if it did, I'd bet you and 99.9% of the people on here would be considered failures. Bloom could make what looks like a good or great deal that easily fail later.