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CFP is a sham.....Strength of Schedule means nothing

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It is all about the record. Simple as that. Play nobody and get a free pass into the CFP.

Case in point is Oregon who has wins against ZERO top 25 CFP teams and has only played one all year. Bama has wins against No. 4 Georgia, No. 14 Vanderbilt, No. 20 Tennessee and No. 22 Missouri and seated on the fringe at #10 well behind Oregon. Oklahoma has 6 top 25 teams on their schedule and will probably go 4-2 against them with wins against #18 Michigan, #22 Missouri, #10 Alabama, #19 Tennessee and only loses were against #8 and #17 yet they are also behind Oregon.

Ohio State, Oregon, and Indiana have a combined TWO wins against top 25 teams yet all 3 are in the playoffs.
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rezero wrote: 18 Nov 2025 21:22 pm It is all about the record. Simple as that. Play nobody and get a free pass into the CFP.

Case in point is Oregon who has wins against ZERO top 25 CFP teams and has only played one all year. Bama has wins against No. 4 Georgia, No. 14 Vanderbilt, No. 20 Tennessee and No. 22 Missouri and seated on the fringe at #10 well behind Oregon. Oklahoma has 6 top 25 teams on their schedule and will probably go 4-2 against them with wins against #18 Michigan, #22 Missouri, #10 Alabama, #19 Tennessee and only loses were against #8 and #17 yet they are also behind Oregon.

Ohio State, Oregon, and Indiana have a combined TWO wins against top 25 teams yet all 3 are in the playoffs.
Yes that is the CFP. Which makes it strange that the SEC wants 9 conference games plaus a P4 OOC game on each members schedule. Who does this benefit in the near term? Yup, you guessed it - the same group that works in the shadows of the league office now.
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JackBolly wrote: 18 Nov 2025 22:00 pm
rezero wrote: 18 Nov 2025 21:22 pm It is all about the record. Simple as that. Play nobody and get a free pass into the CFP.

Case in point is Oregon who has wins against ZERO top 25 CFP teams and has only played one all year. Bama has wins against No. 4 Georgia, No. 14 Vanderbilt, No. 20 Tennessee and No. 22 Missouri and seated on the fringe at #10 well behind Oregon. Oklahoma has 6 top 25 teams on their schedule and will probably go 4-2 against them with wins against #18 Michigan, #22 Missouri, #10 Alabama, #19 Tennessee and only loses were against #8 and #17 yet they are also behind Oregon.

Ohio State, Oregon, and Indiana have a combined TWO wins against top 25 teams yet all 3 are in the playoffs.
Yes that is the CFP. Which makes it strange that the SEC wants 9 conference games plaus a P4 OOC game on each members schedule. Who does this benefit in the near term? Yup, you guessed it - the same group that works in the shadows of the league office now.
Exactly! One more SEC game a year will just make all the other weaker conferences look that much better. If you think the current system doesn't seem fair now, just wait for the 9 game schedule to really make it unfair.
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If all this is true, shouldn't the SEC teams dominate the playoffs?

How is it that the (inferior) B1G has won the last two NTs?
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Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 08:39 am If all this is true, shouldn't the SEC teams dominate the playoffs?

How is it that the (inferior) B1G has won the last two NTs?
First you have to get into the CFP. You inadvertantly made the point - What the SEC is doing makes no sense unless you wish only certain certain programs in. Getting into the CFP and winning the CFP are two different things. I'd say the B1G has it all right.
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JackBolly wrote: 19 Nov 2025 09:09 am
Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 08:39 am If all this is true, shouldn't the SEC teams dominate the playoffs?

How is it that the (inferior) B1G has won the last two NTs?
First you have to get into the CFP. You inadvertantly made the point - What the SEC is doing makes no sense unless you wish only certain certain programs in. Getting into the CFP and winning the CFP are two different things. I'd say the B1G has it all right.
The B1G already plays a 9-game schedule.

Now maybe they have more weak teams. But if the SEC teams were really all that much better, you'd think we'd see Texas v Alabama or Georgia v LSU in the championship game.

What people here are really upset about is that our Tigers aren't good enough to get to the playoffs. If they were championship material, they'd have beaten Vandy and Bama or A&M at home.
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Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 12:59 pm
JackBolly wrote: 19 Nov 2025 09:09 am
Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 08:39 am If all this is true, shouldn't the SEC teams dominate the playoffs?

How is it that the (inferior) B1G has won the last two NTs?
First you have to get into the CFP. You inadvertantly made the point - What the SEC is doing makes no sense unless you wish only certain certain programs in. Getting into the CFP and winning the CFP are two different things. I'd say the B1G has it all right.
The B1G already plays a 9-game schedule.

Now maybe they have more weak teams. But if the SEC teams were really all that much better, you'd think we'd see Texas v Alabama or Georgia v LSU in the championship game.

What people here are really upset about is that our Tigers aren't good enough to get to the playoffs. If they were championship material, they'd have beaten Vandy and Bama or A&M at home.
I do not think the B1G requires a 10th OOC game v a P4 opponent. Agree though - The loss to Vandy was an enormous waste of a good defensive effort. With the leading rusher in FBS, MU ran the QB from the 2 yd line.
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Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 12:59 pm
JackBolly wrote: 19 Nov 2025 09:09 am
Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 08:39 am If all this is true, shouldn't the SEC teams dominate the playoffs?

How is it that the (inferior) B1G has won the last two NTs?
First you have to get into the CFP. You inadvertantly made the point - What the SEC is doing makes no sense unless you wish only certain certain programs in. Getting into the CFP and winning the CFP are two different things. I'd say the B1G has it all right.
The B1G already plays a 9-game schedule.

Now maybe they have more weak teams. But if the SEC teams were really all that much better, you'd think we'd see Texas v Alabama or Georgia v LSU in the championship game.

What people here are really upset about is that our Tigers aren't good enough to get to the playoffs. If they were championship material, they'd have beaten Vandy and Bama or A&M at home.
Ohio State and Indiana basically have a half schedule full of absolute cream puffs. You can't say that about any SEC team.

Nobody is saying Ohio State isn't currently the best team in the country. They most likely are. However, it helps when you only have to beat a couple good teams all season and aren't even truly tested until you've already made the CFP.

What if Ohio State was in the SEC and had to play 2 or 3 of Alabama, Texas A&M, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Oklahoma. Throw in some middle tier teams SEC teams like Texas, Mizzou, Tennessee, Vandy, etc. that also aren't the Rutgers, Purdue's, or Maryland's of the world and do you really think they go undefeated and cruise into the CFP? Absolutely not.
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cardinalsfever44 wrote: 19 Nov 2025 20:14 pm
Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 12:59 pm
JackBolly wrote: 19 Nov 2025 09:09 am
Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 08:39 am If all this is true, shouldn't the SEC teams dominate the playoffs?

How is it that the (inferior) B1G has won the last two NTs?
First you have to get into the CFP. You inadvertantly made the point - What the SEC is doing makes no sense unless you wish only certain certain programs in. Getting into the CFP and winning the CFP are two different things. I'd say the B1G has it all right.
The B1G already plays a 9-game schedule.

Now maybe they have more weak teams. But if the SEC teams were really all that much better, you'd think we'd see Texas v Alabama or Georgia v LSU in the championship game.

What people here are really upset about is that our Tigers aren't good enough to get to the playoffs. If they were championship material, they'd have beaten Vandy and Bama or A&M at home.
Ohio State and Indiana basically have a half schedule full of absolute cream puffs. You can't say that about any SEC team.

Nobody is saying Ohio State isn't currently the best team in the country. They most likely are. However, it helps when you only have to beat a couple good teams all season and aren't even truly tested until you've already made the CFP.

What if Ohio State was in the SEC and had to play 2 or 3 of Alabama, Texas A&M, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Oklahoma. Throw in some middle tier teams SEC teams like Texas, Mizzou, Tennessee, Vandy, etc. that also aren't the Rutgers, Purdue's, or Maryland's of the world and do you really think they go undefeated and cruise into the CFP? Absolutely not.
I am! They have played nobody. They beat Texas 14-7 is their only team in the top 40.
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rezero wrote: 19 Nov 2025 20:26 pm
cardinalsfever44 wrote: 19 Nov 2025 20:14 pm
Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 12:59 pm
JackBolly wrote: 19 Nov 2025 09:09 am
Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 08:39 am If all this is true, shouldn't the SEC teams dominate the playoffs?

How is it that the (inferior) B1G has won the last two NTs?
First you have to get into the CFP. You inadvertantly made the point - What the SEC is doing makes no sense unless you wish only certain certain programs in. Getting into the CFP and winning the CFP are two different things. I'd say the B1G has it all right.
The B1G already plays a 9-game schedule.

Now maybe they have more weak teams. But if the SEC teams were really all that much better, you'd think we'd see Texas v Alabama or Georgia v LSU in the championship game.

What people here are really upset about is that our Tigers aren't good enough to get to the playoffs. If they were championship material, they'd have beaten Vandy and Bama or A&M at home.
Ohio State and Indiana basically have a half schedule full of absolute cream puffs. You can't say that about any SEC team.

Nobody is saying Ohio State isn't currently the best team in the country. They most likely are. However, it helps when you only have to beat a couple good teams all season and aren't even truly tested until you've already made the CFP.

What if Ohio State was in the SEC and had to play 2 or 3 of Alabama, Texas A&M, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Oklahoma. Throw in some middle tier teams SEC teams like Texas, Mizzou, Tennessee, Vandy, etc. that also aren't the Rutgers, Purdue's, or Maryland's of the world and do you really think they go undefeated and cruise into the CFP? Absolutely not.
I am! They have played nobody. They beat Texas 14-7 is their only team in the top 40.
I was trying not to completely trash the B1G in my post :D

And yes, I agree. Ohio State and Indiana get to just cruise into the CFP while the SEC just beats itself up week after week.

What big game does Ohio State have this weekend? Oh boy! Rutgers, who they are favored by 31.5 points to beat. Absolutely ridiculous.

Indiana gets a week off to prepare for a truly epic matchup against 2-9 Purdue. Jesus Christ :roll:
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cardinalsfever44 wrote: 19 Nov 2025 20:35 pm
rezero wrote: 19 Nov 2025 20:26 pm
cardinalsfever44 wrote: 19 Nov 2025 20:14 pm
Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 12:59 pm
JackBolly wrote: 19 Nov 2025 09:09 am
Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 08:39 am If all this is true, shouldn't the SEC teams dominate the playoffs?

How is it that the (inferior) B1G has won the last two NTs?
First you have to get into the CFP. You inadvertantly made the point - What the SEC is doing makes no sense unless you wish only certain certain programs in. Getting into the CFP and winning the CFP are two different things. I'd say the B1G has it all right.
The B1G already plays a 9-game schedule.

Now maybe they have more weak teams. But if the SEC teams were really all that much better, you'd think we'd see Texas v Alabama or Georgia v LSU in the championship game.

What people here are really upset about is that our Tigers aren't good enough to get to the playoffs. If they were championship material, they'd have beaten Vandy and Bama or A&M at home.
Ohio State and Indiana basically have a half schedule full of absolute cream puffs. You can't say that about any SEC team.

Nobody is saying Ohio State isn't currently the best team in the country. They most likely are. However, it helps when you only have to beat a couple good teams all season and aren't even truly tested until you've already made the CFP.

What if Ohio State was in the SEC and had to play 2 or 3 of Alabama, Texas A&M, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Oklahoma. Throw in some middle tier teams SEC teams like Texas, Mizzou, Tennessee, Vandy, etc. that also aren't the Rutgers, Purdue's, or Maryland's of the world and do you really think they go undefeated and cruise into the CFP? Absolutely not.
I am! They have played nobody. They beat Texas 14-7 is their only team in the top 40.
I was trying not to completely trash the B1G in my post :D

And yes, I agree. Ohio State and Indiana get to just cruise into the CFP while the SEC just beats itself up week after week.

What big game does Ohio State have this weekend? Oh boy! Rutgers, who they are favored by 31.5 points to beat. Absolutely ridiculous.
People ask why they do so well in the CFP but think about this. Most of their defensive front 7 have been on the sidelines watching mid-way through the third quarter. Only one game this year did their starters end the game! It is a big luxury to rest players through the year.
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rezero wrote: 19 Nov 2025 20:39 pm
cardinalsfever44 wrote: 19 Nov 2025 20:35 pm
rezero wrote: 19 Nov 2025 20:26 pm
cardinalsfever44 wrote: 19 Nov 2025 20:14 pm
Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 12:59 pm
JackBolly wrote: 19 Nov 2025 09:09 am
Red Bird Classic wrote: 19 Nov 2025 08:39 am If all this is true, shouldn't the SEC teams dominate the playoffs?

How is it that the (inferior) B1G has won the last two NTs?
First you have to get into the CFP. You inadvertantly made the point - What the SEC is doing makes no sense unless you wish only certain certain programs in. Getting into the CFP and winning the CFP are two different things. I'd say the B1G has it all right.
The B1G already plays a 9-game schedule.

Now maybe they have more weak teams. But if the SEC teams were really all that much better, you'd think we'd see Texas v Alabama or Georgia v LSU in the championship game.

What people here are really upset about is that our Tigers aren't good enough to get to the playoffs. If they were championship material, they'd have beaten Vandy and Bama or A&M at home.
Ohio State and Indiana basically have a half schedule full of absolute cream puffs. You can't say that about any SEC team.

Nobody is saying Ohio State isn't currently the best team in the country. They most likely are. However, it helps when you only have to beat a couple good teams all season and aren't even truly tested until you've already made the CFP.

What if Ohio State was in the SEC and had to play 2 or 3 of Alabama, Texas A&M, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Oklahoma. Throw in some middle tier teams SEC teams like Texas, Mizzou, Tennessee, Vandy, etc. that also aren't the Rutgers, Purdue's, or Maryland's of the world and do you really think they go undefeated and cruise into the CFP? Absolutely not.
I am! They have played nobody. They beat Texas 14-7 is their only team in the top 40.
I was trying not to completely trash the B1G in my post :D

And yes, I agree. Ohio State and Indiana get to just cruise into the CFP while the SEC just beats itself up week after week.

What big game does Ohio State have this weekend? Oh boy! Rutgers, who they are favored by 31.5 points to beat. Absolutely ridiculous.
People ask why they do so well in the CFP but think about this. Most of their defensive front 7 have been on the sidelines watching mid-way through the third quarter. Only one game this year did their starters end the game! It is a big luxury to rest players through the year.
Rezero great point. I can't remember to many SEC games during conference play, that this was a luxury to do so. Most teams have never had that type of lead vs.the other. In fact, the greatest differential in points all season came just last weekend when Georgia beat Texas 35-10. So much parity in this league.
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