Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?

[sikeston bulldog2]

Why would Bloom trade N. Gorman at his LOWEST value?

Passan just looking for clicks, making sheeeee ite up like these national guys do this time of year.

The answer is he's NOT unless some fellow POBO/GM loses his mind and makes him a Godfather like offer.

Bloom is going to first see if he can re-hab both Gorman and J. Walk this season.

They're both young and making no money to speak of this season.

If he succeeds, then BAM!

If they can't be fixed, then nothing lost as neither has much trade value right now.

JMO

This isn’t a bad direction.

[Melville]

Why would Bloom trade N. Gorman at his LOWEST value?

Passan just looking for clicks, making sheeeee ite up like these national guys do this time of year.

The answer is he's NOT unless some fellow POBO/GM loses his mind and makes him a Godfather like offer.

Bloom is going to first see if he can re-hab both Gorman and J. Walk this season.

They're both young and making no money to speak of this season.

If he succeeds, then BAM!

If they can't be fixed, then nothing lost as neither has much trade value right now.

JMO

You are probably correct.
Fact is, neither player has yet been given a full season at a dedicated position, and with The Marmot's knee-jerk "leadership" style (along with other factors) they have been sabotaged by the organization.
Bloom is likely to do as you suggest - but allowing The Marmot to return was a massive miscalculation which will be counterproductive to what "Cha-im trying to turn this around" hopes to accomplish.

[Cusecards]

Of all the young players available to move excluding Winn and Burley, I'd keep Gorman.
Sure, he's been a dud, but he still has elite power.
I wouldn't trade him just yet, but according to Passan he's available.
I guess Walker isn't available or nobody wants him?
I'd trade Walker before parting with Gorman.
Might be another boneheaded move coming up fellas.
This could be the demise of Bloom if he gets this one wrong.

https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 5_43086833

At this point, whether Passan or others, it is all meaningless speculation and rumormongering deigned to generate clicks.
Far too soon to make assumptions concerning Bloom.
That said, you have perfectly analyzed the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.
If there is a choice between Gorman and Walker, there is no choice at all.
Gorman is a LH hitting infielder with established 25+HR power and 80+ RBI production.
Walker is a RH hitting RF who has yet to show a high-side MLB skill - despite the obvious potential.
Now, Gorman certainly has more trade value than Walker right and STL is overloaded from the left side so I can understand the temptation.
But it would immediately be proven to be a mistake.

The only mistake has been to keep giving a one tool player a job he hasn’t earned and continues to fail at

Classic ME-ville:
Overhypes a player years ago.
Won’t own up to his overhype.
Gets called out for his mistake.
Instead of owning it...he childishly deflects to ragging on another player that he doesn’t like.
Does that about cover it?
At least the Sideshow Clown is entertaining and provides daily laughs!
Now....he’ll either run and hide or post some three sentence rebuttal about how it is “never about him but always about the game!!”.
Easy
Obvious
Correct

[rockondlouie]

Why would Bloom trade N. Gorman at his LOWEST value?

Passan just looking for clicks, making sheeeee ite up like these national guys do this time of year.

The answer is he's NOT unless some fellow POBO/GM loses his mind and makes him a Godfather like offer.

Bloom is going to first see if he can re-hab both Gorman and J. Walk this season.

They're both young and making no money to speak of this season.

If he succeeds, then BAM!

If they can't be fixed, then nothing lost as neither has much trade value right now.

JMO

You are probably correct.
Fact is, neither player has yet been given a full season at a dedicated position, and with The Marmot's knee-jerk "leadership" style (along with other factors) they have been sabotaged by the organization.
Bloom is likely to do as you suggest - but allowing The Marmot to return was a massive miscalculation which will be counterproductive to what "Cha-im trying to turn this around" hopes to accomplish.

And both had to come up thru a Mo neglected minor league system that gave neither the tools they needed to be prepared for MLB since it's obvious both were in need of some "polishing" before hitting MLB.

While both found early success, once the league found their weaknesses they didn't have the base knowledge from their minor league career to make tadjustments.

I'd start Walker at Memphis, maybe even keep him there all year.

Gorman doesn't need to go down, he'll be at 3rd base once NADO (and likely Donny) are dealt.

And we're in sync when it comes to Oli who I've been calling for his firing since he e ff ed up Game 1 vs the Phillies and I could tell he wasn't major league manager material.

(And BDWJr is the one who forced Oli's return. No way he was paying two Managers in what he's deemed a payroll slashing season. Bloom will ax his a z z as soon as the 2026 season ends)

[Pura Vida]

They both need to go. Neither is hitting major league pitching and both are mediocre defensively. Look at the swing of Burly and then look at the swing of Walker. Burly is what we call a "natural" and Walker's is so unnatural. Move on...

[Clubmaker2]

Seems like a contradiction in that Bloom will somehow throw out the magic pixie dust and fix Walker or Gorman....yet he talked to Oli and had coffee etc alot last season, and he is keeping Oli. If Oli did it all wrong in Blooms eyes, Oli would be gone. Most likely we see more of the same next year, but I hope not.

Actually, Walker should be sent to AAA and told he gets promoted when he plays/earns his way onto the team.

[Strummer Jones]

I was listening to some offseason Cardinal youtube podcast thing this morning while I was going through my coffee/breakfast/shower routine and it just stuck with me. Gorman is basically Mike Moustakas.

Lefty hitters who are probably slightly below average at the end of the day, because their carrying trait is power. I think Gorman has more raw power, but also strikes out more. But at the end of the day, you're going to have a hitter who's capable of putting up good power with bad batting averages. Moustakas was pretty decent with the glove at the beginning of his career, but got to be a below average defender.

Ultimately, both players were more trouble than they were worth. Better than nobodies, but ultimately replaceable by guys who hit better, defend better, or both.

[rockondlouie]

Seems like a contradiction in that Bloom will somehow throw out the magic pixie dust and fix Walker or Gorman....yet he talked to Oli and had coffee etc alot last season, and he is keeping Oli. If Oli did it all wrong in Blooms eyes, Oli would be gone. Most likely we see more of the same next year, but I hope not.

Actually, Walker should be sent to AAA and told he gets promoted when he plays/earns his way onto the team.

BDWJr is keeping Oli clubmaker, not Bloom.

He wasn't going to pay two Managers in what he deems as being a salary slashing season ahead of the CBA talks.

[riff raff]

Seems like a contradiction in that Bloom will somehow throw out the magic pixie dust and fix Walker or Gorman....yet he talked to Oli and had coffee etc alot last season, and he is keeping Oli. If Oli did it all wrong in Blooms eyes, Oli would be gone. Most likely we see more of the same next year, but I hope not.

Actually, Walker should be sent to AAA and told he gets promoted when he plays/earns his way onto the team.

BDWJr is keeping Oli clubmaker, not Bloom.

He wasn't going to pay two Managers in what he deems as being a salary slashing season ahead of the CBA talks.

You don't know that. So much [nonsense] from you

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Everyone is saying Gorman has no value, but how do you really know that? Obviously, I get it. He's not been good. I would also guess he probably doesn't have much value. At least probably as low as it has been.

However, teams place different values on players. He's still young. He's shown the ability to be really good at times. Just has never sustained it for long. Maybe there's a team out there that really thinks that they see something in him that has not been unlocked yet and they think they know how to get it out of him. Maybe they have a surplus of something that they're willing to give up. You never know.

But, yea, that's probably a long shot. And maybe Bloom also wants to see what he can get out of him.

[dugoutrex]

Of all the young players available to move excluding Winn and Burley, I'd keep Gorman.
Sure, he's been a dud, but he still has elite power.
I wouldn't trade him just yet, but according to Passan he's available.
I guess Walker isn't available or nobody wants him?
I'd trade Walker before parting with Gorman.
Might be another boneheaded move coming up fellas.
This could be the demise of Bloom if he gets this one wrong.

https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 5_43086833

At this point, whether Passan or others, it is all meaningless speculation and rumormongering deigned to generate clicks.
Far too soon to make assumptions concerning Bloom.
That said, you have perfectly analyzed the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.
If there is a choice between Gorman and Walker, there is no choice at all.
Gorman is a LH hitting infielder with established 25+HR power and 80+ RBI production.
Walker is a RH hitting RF who has yet to show a high-side MLB skill - despite the obvious potential.
Now, Gorman certainly has more trade value than Walker right and STL is overloaded from the left side so I can understand the temptation.
But it would immediately be proven to be a mistake.

unicorn ... right girl ?

[C-Unit]

Why would Bloom trade N. Gorman at his LOWEST value?

Passan just looking for clicks, making sheeeee ite up like these national guys do this time of year.

The answer is he's NOT unless some fellow POBO/GM loses his mind and makes him a Godfather like offer.

Bloom is going to first see if he can re-hab both Gorman and J. Walk this season.

They're both young and making no money to speak of this season.

If he succeeds, then BAM!

If they can't be fixed, then nothing lost as neither has much trade value right now.

JMO

In my opinion, Jeff Passan is an (donkey), right up there with Buster Olney.

[HorseTrader]

Gorman is destined to be a DH/Bench power bat that is capable of 200 SO's a season. Anything in the field and he becomes an injury waiting to happen along with a severe decline in production due to stress on the body. He has back issues and pitch recognition issues. I had high hopes for him but feel the only reason he is still even in the equation is because there is not another younger power bat pushing him from the minors. He just has to do more with the time he gets. His clock is approaching midnight on being that capable every day MLB player. .205, 135 SO's and 14 HR's in 351 AB's is not going to cut it. A full season that is over 200 SO's for the chance at 25 to 30 HR's. That is too many at bats with men on base that yields no results to be an every day player. You better be a gold glove caliber defenseman at that point. 2024 he had almost exact numbers with just a few more HR's. 2023 is the season everyone holds on to hoping he can recreate it. Yet, he still hit for only a .236 average but got 27 HR's and 148 SO's.

Call him what he is. A mistake hitter that should be kept fresh for the big moments you need a big blow. Anything more than that and he becomes suspect. There is a place in MLB for that, with the right team. St. Louis is not that team right now.

Walker is in the same boat except he has not shown he can deliver the power. It is most likely going to take a couple stints at other teams before either one figures it out at least for a season or two.

If Gorman got off with a hot first half (20 HR before the AS break), he might become a really appealing trade piece. It would depend on the rest of our team (Donovan and Arenado both gone) for him to have the runway to do that.

If he hit 20 before the All Star game, he'd be appealing to keep

[C-Unit]

Gorman is destined to be a DH/Bench power bat that is capable of 200 SO's a season. Anything in the field and he becomes an injury waiting to happen along with a severe decline in production due to stress on the body. He has back issues and pitch recognition issues. I had high hopes for him but feel the only reason he is still even in the equation is because there is not another younger power bat pushing him from the minors. He just has to do more with the time he gets. His clock is approaching midnight on being that capable every day MLB player. .205, 135 SO's and 14 HR's in 351 AB's is not going to cut it. A full season that is over 200 SO's for the chance at 25 to 30 HR's. That is too many at bats with men on base that yields no results to be an every day player. You better be a gold glove caliber defenseman at that point. 2024 he had almost exact numbers with just a few more HR's. 2023 is the season everyone holds on to hoping he can recreate it. Yet, he still hit for only a .236 average but got 27 HR's and 148 SO's.

Call him what he is. A mistake hitter that should be kept fresh for the big moments you need a big blow. Anything more than that and he becomes suspect. There is a place in MLB for that, with the right team. St. Louis is not that team right now.

Walker is in the same boat except he has not shown he can deliver the power. It is most likely going to take a couple stints at other teams before either one figures it out at least for a season or two.

If Gorman got off with a hot first half (20 HR before the AS break), he might become a really appealing trade piece. It would depend on the rest of our team (Donovan and Arenado both gone) for him to have the runway to do that.

If he hit 20 before the All Star game, he'd be appealing to keep

I'd say flip him, like you could have with O'Neill after 2021

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I did a screenshot to see where Arenado will get traded. Here's the scientific results. What are we getting back?

[CardsBest]

Gorman is destined to be a DH/Bench power bat that is capable of 200 SO's a season. Anything in the field and he becomes an injury waiting to happen along with a severe decline in production due to stress on the body. He has back issues and pitch recognition issues. I had high hopes for him but feel the only reason he is still even in the equation is because there is not another younger power bat pushing him from the minors. He just has to do more with the time he gets. His clock is approaching midnight on being that capable every day MLB player. .205, 135 SO's and 14 HR's in 351 AB's is not going to cut it. A full season that is over 200 SO's for the chance at 25 to 30 HR's. That is too many at bats with men on base that yields no results to be an every day player. You better be a gold glove caliber defenseman at that point. 2024 he had almost exact numbers with just a few more HR's. 2023 is the season everyone holds on to hoping he can recreate it. Yet, he still hit for only a .236 average but got 27 HR's and 148 SO's.

Call him what he is. A mistake hitter that should be kept fresh for the big moments you need a big blow. Anything more than that and he becomes suspect. There is a place in MLB for that, with the right team. St. Louis is not that team right now.

Walker is in the same boat except he has not shown he can deliver the power. It is most likely going to take a couple stints at other teams before either one figures it out at least for a season or two.

If Gorman got off with a hot first half (20 HR before the AS break), he might become a really appealing trade piece. It would depend on the rest of our team (Donovan and Arenado both gone) for him to have the runway to do that.

Gorman sucks. The league has figured him out. He cant make adjustments and flat out sucks. Many players have had huge power and never made it.